
Where’s the money going if it isn’t to children? The thing about this “war” is that it’s really just one sided, Israel isn’t suffering casualties anywhere near the CIVILIAN casualties that Gaza is suffering from. I can agree on the sending money part, we have plenty of debt and the rest of the world is too heavy handed in asking for our donations, but we should still step in when a genocide is occurring lol
nuance is a very important thing to understand. you can be pro palestine but anti hamas. it’s not black and white which you of all people should understand talking about how both sides are suffering, but i digress. what is real is doing has literally been labeled a genocide and many human rights experts classify it as apartheid so
i mean many of the israeli citizens are outwardly in support of the genocide. not all, but many. so no, i have no empathy for those who support it. i feel for the people in gaza who were bombed in hospitals. i feel for the children. i feel for the people being taken out by snipers and people starving in the streets. i feel the destruction in these so called “precision strikes” that israel is committing when i reality they’re blowing the place to shit. so maybe think before you speak?
the reason israel hasnt suffered the same number of casualties is because israel has spent decades investing billions into defense systems unlike hamas who has spent billions on terrorism. if israel didnt have iron dome and all of the other defense systems, israel would also have had tens of thousands of civilian deaths by this point
I mean in a weird sense yes they are. Israel told Hamas to leave them alone and that if they did not, they would retaliate in this way. Hamas did not listen and went and messed stuff up. Israel is fighting a defensive war against Hamas (who is fighting for Palestine). Obviously what Israel is doing is horrible and awful, but Hamas is the reason it is happening. That being said obviously the civilians in Gaza deserve aid and help because they do not deserve what is going on!!
So you have no proof that the moneys going to Hamas :) it’s going to aid groups TRYING to bring food in. And thanks for proving my point for me! “No WAR is one sided” ya, because this isn’t a war anymore dummy, it’s a genocide 💀 you’re just peddling more anti Palestinian propaganda Zionist bullshit, get the fuck out of here with you “but both sides” when one side is literally wiping the other out of the future
I can’t really blame them at this point can you? Their people have been genocided and abused for literally thousands of years, Israel has too but not on these scales by Hamas. If someone came by and forced you to live in a tiny land, then kept poking you with a stick until you snapped and then killed your entire blood line in return, would YOU be very happy?
BECAYSE THIS ISNT HAMAS it’s a fucking AID GROUP. The aid obviously isn’t going exactly where it needs to BECAUSE Israel won’t allow anyone else to DO aid. Do you ACTUALLY think this charity organization is dealing in the black market gun industry for Hamas, or donating directly TO Hamas under everyone’s noses???
Gaza is a part of Israel as it’s completely under their control, not an opposing nation. It’s a group of people who have been pushed and forced back repeatedly due to violence and oppression until they are now all in the most densely populated area in the world where all of their water is poisoned and they can’t get food and they can’t leave (they get murdered if they try to leave) and have mass starvation. This isn’t a group that has food let alone a real military.
Also wars with a true opponent is very different than retaliation from a group of people they oppressed and stole land from and has been committing war crimes against for decades with no consequences… like yeah the Palestinians aren’t the ones trying to defend themselves, not Israel.
You’re right, it does go further back. It goes further back to other times that Israel has had to fight defensive wars. Nobody (with a brain and an ounce of compassion) agrees with what Israel is doing, that doesn’t mean though that they started everything. They have literally only fought defensive wars, if you can prove otherwise I would love to hear it.
ok let’s take the ongoing conflict right now. you would say it’s a defensive war because of october 7th? i would argue october 7th was a response to enduring violence against palestinians. example: october 6th, an israeli settler killed a 19 year old palestinian boy. i’d argue it was also a response to israeli apartheid. so, no this is in no way a defensive war for israel
It’s literally always been a back and forth and Israel has literally always been fighting in defense to attacks against them. They want to be isolated and they want peace, nobody wants them to have that. They said they were going to do this if they didn’t get left alone, and Hamas did not leave them alone. Every single war they have fought has been defensive, that is a fact.
Not always. Israel’s done plenty of things to intentionally aggravate their neighbors into starting wars or conflicts. Have they fought defensive wars absolutely and deserved to defend themselves. With Hamas they were literally poking their 2nd class citizens until they fought back and used that as an excuse to genocide them
Israel who has been controlling what goes in and out of Gaza for almost 2 decades, being fully aware of the starvation and water contamination, being fully aware of the extremely shortened life expectancy of the Palestinians and extreme health conditions and inhuman conditions, yet will shoot and kill or maim mothers and children who try to cross the border to escape… but the Palestinians are the ones causing the war
If you think me saying that a population (where half of them are children) shouldn’t be starved, maimed, murdered, poisoned, confined, and bombed means that I’m cheering for terrorists, then you’ve got something else going on in your head. Hamas isn’t a good group, but Palestinians have no way out of their oppression so they have compromised their morals to try to survive and that doesn’t make them terrorists, that makes them humans desperate to survive.
Holy fuck! If you can’t see the difference besides supporting Palestine and supporting Israel, there’s no helping you. No I don’t condone things Hamas has done, but Hamas exists BECAUSE of Israel’s terror. They had enough of the torture and made a group who would fight back. If Israel won’t stop bombing and starving Palestinians, Hamas’s rule will never change.
Gee I wonder why thunburg is terrified of Israel after what they’ve threatened them with after simply attempting to bring food and water. It’s laughable that you genuinely think that these donations are being used to secretly supply the Hamas as if there’s a global conspiracy against Jews. We just want Israel (because not all Jews are zionists) to stop genociding innocent civilians 😂 you guys are the ones calling us terrorists for that?
If you think the IDF is firing flare guns at the boats and jamming their comms with ABBA you're delusional and not worth engaging If Israel wanted to attack the flotilla all of the boats would be at the bottom of the med and all the physical evidence would make it look like accidental 💥 of explosives that Hamas linked militants would've been using Israel knows it's best off by arresting them and letting the world see them eating challah sandwiches
It’s not a secret that a terrorist group would regulate the money going into the country. Also, Israel has sent so much aid to Palestine it’s unreal but Hamas is blocking it. If Hamas put their guns down tm the war would be over. If Israel put their guns down tm they would be erased from the earth. Why do you insist on indirectly supporting a terrorist group, instead of supporting the country that intends to dismantle it?
1. They are not committing genocide. 2. There would be no war if Hamas didn’t make them have to defend themselves. 3. Palestinian men do not care bout women or children. They use them as shields. They only care about war and chaos. 4. All the money being sent is going straight to purchasing more weapons. Have you checked how much money is being sent? A lot is the answer. If they used that on rebuilding their country and getting food/water instead of weapons, it would be different.
You know what I let the antisemitism accusations slide once but you need to shut the fuck up if you care about stopping ACTUAL antisemites. If I’m antisemitic for thinking ISRAEL (not Jews) should stop slaughtering a Muslim minority OF ISRAEL then you can shove my “antisemitism” up your self obsessed and propagandizing ass. You can’t face any information that contradicts your understanding of the world and then spin around an ad hominem people for fucking antisemitism
I haven’t said a single anti Jewish thing yet and if I have then screen shot it and send it to me I’m fucking waiting. In the mean time you’re just making yourself look like “the boy who cried wolf” while you defend and attempt to cover up what’s obviously a genocide at this point. Israel is denotatively committing genocide, the systematic and ruthless murder of innocent citizens of a particular class, race, religion, or ethnicity in the goals to cripple, oust, or destroy the targeted group
Well good thing Palestinians is a nationality. It’s made up. In the same way Israeli is made up. It’s always been Jews and Arabs, they’ve just switched some names now. But funny how the Israeli Arab citizens, those who live inside Israel as equal citizens aren’t being slaughtered. It’s not because they’re Palestinians. It’s because they are terrorists who call for the killings of Jews. When they choose to live peacefully, they will have peace. https://youtu.be/azEgBsU6Mi8?si=zTABjUBipuKawqTt
Just recently Israel invaded Syria because they suspect Syria is helping supply local nations that Israel doesn’t like. There was the 6 days war that was caused by intelligence reports indicating a coming Israeli invasion of Syria so Egypt closed the straights which Israel responded by waging sudden drastic war. There are plenty of others, Israel has defended itself rightfully multiple times but saying they’ve never been the aggressor is just plain ignorance
So you’re confused at how people might see other people suffering and think “hey we should raise money to help them”? And how that money can be used to buy supplies, transportation, clothing, political votes? And you think you know enough about global relations, without understanding any of that, to spread your opinions in public?
i went back and read your comments as you requested. youve now said twice youve made all your points, and i took screenshots of the three comments where you made real points and not just responses to someone else. i will add several responses to this one comment with screenshots and replying to the screenshots
Bro you’ve said it a million times and then NOT explained WHY you think that a million MORE times. But keep acting like a broken alarm clock just parroting your Zionist propaganda until your thumbs and jaw falls off, it’s your like your wasting away towards helping murder children
"supporting pro palestine is supporting hamas because you are giving them money, for guns and other weapons" surely you dont ACTUALLY believe this? because across several comments youve directly contradicted this. "giving them money?" i donate to the red cross or send stuff to the flotilla... theres no money. that is specific items. this would be pre purchased food and necessities. unless if youre saying hamas is selling it? or hoarding all of it somehow? there is a huge difference
"there is no difference" sorry theres 2 million innocent people versus a group of... i think israel estimated 20k? like two years ago? israel has the iron dome, the full financial and equipment backing of like half of the most militarily advanced countries in the world, and has seen less damage and death in 2 years than gaza sees in a given week. october 7th was bad. thats literally been a quarter of the weeks in a year in gaza for decades. i can grab the statistics. theyre readily available.
"no war is one sided, both sides have seen casualties and heartbreaking violence" cities are gone. tens of thousands of people dead. thousands if not tens of thousands held hostage as "prisoners." hundreds of thousands displaced and displaced again and displaced again. you have basketball leagues in israel where players literally did not know something was up. calling it paradise. i dont know what "war" can be so one sided
1. literally just "nuh uh" 2. this didnt start on october 7th. youd have to be intentionally dense to say that. 3. unbelievable sweeping generalizing statement. completely beyond belief. 4. gaza is not getting money. literally 7 days ago npr reported since the war started, no new cash has entered gaza. the infrastructure there is atomized, if there arent hospitals there arent banks. hamas isnt seeing pallets of cash. the infrastructure in gaza is beina regularly obliterated.
just to add one more thing: you dont think that the very first thing israel, with all of their vast connections and resources, would do would be to do an absolute financial lockdown of palestine? in the 1800s the union did a blockade of literally everything to the confederacy, suffocating the entire gigantic south and east coast of the us with a naval blockade that stopped 95% of their exports and a tremendous amount of arms. israel is decimating gaza and needs a much smaller blockade
The Israel-Palestine conflict has been going on since 1947, israel has been slowly killing for 50+ years and just over a year ago made the mass killing public. Palestine has no army and weapons, why is israel defending themselves? and even if Israel is “defending” themselves from the surrounding nations what do the Palestinians have to do with them? Every conflict israel has with another nation has always been israel’s fault.
Net is literally a terrorist. He’s the one signing off on the bombing and killing and he knows exactly what he’s doing and the legacy he’s trying to uphold. This conflict has really shown some of y’all’s true colors and I’m so glad I can further pick out people who aren’t safe to be around just like trumpies.
money goes to aid groups who buy humanitarian aid and it gets sent there. whether it actually reaches its intended destination is uncertain. money isnt being sent there. there would be no use and no way of doing that. no new money has entered gaza in 2 years. the only thing "terrorists" could get is the aid. which can be food, or it can be toilet paper.
"why does hamas get support" youre being intentionally dense. i dont think i should dignify this with a response. "they started this" technically yes, actually no, not even close. the recent escalation in israeli response is a result of hamas being terrorists, but its been decades of thousands and thousands of gazans dying each year. pre oct 7, a week goes by and a thousand gazans would die at israels hands.
You are right Palestinians aren’t treated as Israeli citizens. Because they are not. They have Palestinian citizenship. They’re treated the same way a person would be treated coming from any other country that isn’t Israel. They have no right to immigrate there, or vote, or kill Jews. And if they commit a crime and attempt to harm others, they are charged and go to prison. That’s how it works.
"civilians deserve help and a chance to get out" so this is the 2 million civilians everyone is supporting, which apparently youre just aware of in complete isolation. but get out where? their homes gone, cities decimated, lives erased. you want them all in egypt? "donating to the people who started this whole mess" back to forgetting theres a difference between the 2 million civilians and the ~20k terrorist group again.
answer my question. Are you Israeli yes or no. If you are then that’s exactly why you support Israel. Bc they’re your people. I don’t blame you honestly id wanna support my people too. But honestly let’s be fr for one second. take the time to educate yourself. It’s simple ppl like u js wanna sugar coat it and side with their people.
"please do some actual research" in response to someone saying this didnt start on october 7th is just absurd. "israel just wants to be left alone" im just baffled that this could be a remotely believable sentiment when netanyahu comes out every week and boasts about new SETTLEMENTS. how do you settle land that has had occupants for thousands of years?
i dont know if thats true, if it is im very sorry thats awful. thats why hamas is a terrorist group, they do awful things. but blindly supporting israel is... well, blind. october 7th has literally been just tuesday in gaza for 2 years. and before that, it was the 2nd of the month in gaza for decades. just regular.
https://youtube.com/shorts/8DKwdKhehJ8?si=qgdRucKtRjZ32-1C Hamas makes Jews dig their own graves on camera. Considering all the hate I see about israel I’ve yet to see any picture proof of Israel doing this to the prisoners that are actually in there for terrorist attacks. Juuust words 🤷🏻♀️
But it’s like hamas became a thing because of the Israeli occupation. And if you look up and do research you can see that Hamas doesn’t do what Israelis do to hostages. In fact Israelis used to want to go back to Hamas after they were released there Is video proof of Israelis giving hugs to Hamas.
hamas may have come into existence because of israel, and they may have been at one point a freedom fighting terrorist organization (terrorist is just a term given out to those doing violent acts - there is not an immediate negative connotation to the purpose) but they are not good. if they fight for "freedom" its not a freedom that benefits palestinians. im not super clear on all of hamas doctrine but they are a hate group with evil intentions
And that’s where you’re falling for things. This trick has happened over and over again where you take a sentence out of a full interview. Hamas literally killed her Husband. https://youtu.be/tKs01--rW04?si=bJKi1ecKlagYoUU1 Here is where that clip is from. They treated HER well. Most hostages haven’t been that lucky. Them treating one hostage nice after killing her husband doesn’t mean much. And I asked for proof PALESTINIANS PRISONERS were mistreated.
Well I know for a fact the video I linked to my last message is true. And you do too. Because it is in the exact same interview you just sent to me. Her saying everything. And the article I took a screenshot of is citing that article. It is her who said these words. They treated her kindly after traumatizing her and kidnapping her from her home. Watch the video. She literally says with her mouth that what they put them through was hell. https://youtu.be/tKs01--rW04?si=7rYzPfgnlla2GbNG
And also, them feeding her while they KIDNAPPED HER does not deny their crimes. Here is another hostages, speaking about the conditions they put her under. They are inhumane. I’m glad they were kind to that one hostage. But no. Hamas propaganda doesn’t fly. https://youtu.be/ztlL4eswu4Y?si=wh9l1KyFEBIcIzyN
The definition of genocide is: deliberate and systematic killing or persecution of a large number of people from a particular national or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group. The population shrinking is not a requirement for something to classify as genocide or not.
Israel illegally settled the land in the West Bank… there is an apartheid… the problem is that when Jews kill Palestinians they don’t go to prison lmfao. Also Israel doesn’t recognize a Palestinian state, like they actively fight against it, so yeah, what are you on about???? How are they citizens of a state that “doesn’t exist”