We are never ever getting back together, dear John, look what you made me do, the last time, all too well, back to December, you’re losing me, you’re not sorry, need I go on? All of them come in two flavors: upbeat and angry and content with moving on from a bad partner, or sad and melancholy and reflective about moving on from a bad partner. There’s a point where writing the same themes and content over and over and over becomes stale and repetitive and she hit that point years ago.
Please listen to all too well and look what you made me do. Very different beats, rhythms, lyrics, instrumentals, vibes, etc I get the point you’re trying to make, yes all her songs are based on the same idea of heart break, but they are still very different songs. She’s been pop and country and kept her content the same, that’s not necessarily easy, she just found what she likes to write about and what people like to listen to
She is writing the same two kinds of songs over and over again with varying degrees of emotional intensity and mood and has been for over a decade. It’s like she has a breakup song wheel she spins in her house that lands on either “sad and angry” or “ready to move on now” and then she writes it around what that wheel lands on. It’s the same damn thematic core recycled as nauseum.
Because art, particularly in the singer song writer space, is not about writing what’s popular to an audience or what an audience likes to listen to repeatedly, it’s about exploring oneself in a very reflective and personal manner through song. If you’re just writing the same thing over and over because it’s what millions of others like, that’s writing for marketability and not from a place of genuine personality. And, like I said, it becomes very repetitive and stale.
At their best, Taylor’s breakup songs demonstrate that she isn’t really capable of exploring much about herself without falling back into the same style as a crutch. At their worst, they show the rock bottom of what a singer songwriter can do: write for marketability’s sake over artistry’s sake
You pulling all of this out of your ass is actually beyond belief right now. We can have a civil conversation but saying “she isn’t capable of exploring much about herself” is insanity. Her growth through her albums and song writing has grown exponentially. You don’t need to see that but invalidating it is just you choosing to remain ignorant.
Well, if you’ve actually been reading what I’ve said, “all too well” would fall into the same camp as the “sad reflective” mood like back to December and last kiss whereas look what you mad me too falls into the “angry and upbeat” camp like we are never getting back together. Some are pre triumphant, some are sadder, but all of them cover the same damn thing on repeat, over and over. And it gets really, really boring imo. Like it if you want, but I’m gonna call a spade a spade
Okay but comparing two songs with the same melody/overall theme of “sadness and breakups” does not mean they are the same. Look What You Made Me Do is a “hey gotcha” song to Kim K and Kanye. While All Too Well is a “hey Jake you put me through hell you manipulative narcissist” Nowhere are they on the same wavelength.
You have no idea what I’ve been through in my life, frankly, and you’re entering this nasty space I see a lot of Taylor fans enter when confronted with criticism where they make the whole thing personal. I don’t care if you like Taylor, go ahead, but art is subjective and I personally find all of her library to be at best kind of uninspired and copycat and at worst really, really embarrassingly poorly written, particularly with how badly she fucks up the meter itself when writing
Clearly you haven’t been through enough if you’re trying to solidify your argument with unfactual evidence. Honestly, I’m okay with the nastiness because you people continually try to diminish her songwriting ability. It’s always the same argument and has been for almost 20 years. “All the songs sound the same” when they don’t. It’s truly just an ignorant statement with no solid ground to stand on. I guarantee there is at least one song you would fully resonant with but live the way you want.
So now you get a pass to make claims about the kinds of struggle I’ve had in life because I don’t like an artists music? And that’s fine because I’m critiquing music I don’t like? Do you people actually listen to yourselves say that and think that’s mature, acceptable behavior? And you guys wonder why Taylor fans have this reputation of being unbearably defensive and toxic, grow up please lol
I am purposefully being immature right now, it’s only towards people that hate her too. The reputation at this point is set and stone and yet, nothing changes. Taylor will still make music. We will still buy it. Records will be broken and charts will be charting. In the end, the only people losing are the people that don’t like her. Be annoyed. We’re over it. 🤷🏼♀️
So you’ve just admittedly decided to throw all mature discussion over an artist out the window because you’re offended someone has a different opinion than you? Well, at least you’re self aware, and that’s more than I can say for a lot her fans I’ve interacted with. Like her music all you want, I do not care if others like it, but you frankly deserve all the reputation you have as a fandom if you’re admittedly and proudly going to behave like children lol
“This persons music is compelling and well written” is not and cannot be an objective statement lol, art is subjective. If you want me to recommend you singer songwriters that I think write better and more compelling music than her, I would recommend Bob Dylan, Joni Mitchell, Sun Kil Moon, Mt. Eerie, Nick Drake, Leonard Cohen, Nick Cave and Elliott Smith, for starters.
I didn’t “shut down” lol, and I never said it all sounds the same, just that it covers the same themes and ideas over and over again. Based on how immature and touchy you’re being over this, I’m going to guess you approach music and dissecting themes in it with the same level of immaturity. I’m not sure why I’ve given you this much attention when you don’t care to actually discuss art seriously, to be honest
Well for one they explore a wider and broader range of themes than Taylor, in my opinion. You can hear and feel the emotional rawness in their writing through songs that explore deeply personal feelings of pain and joy that don’t just approach the same topic from a different angle over and over and over again. There’s a poeticism to their work that is not present in Taylor’s music and I appreciate it for that.
The experience of listening to Nick Drake’s Pink Moon, an album written on the brink of suicide that hauntingly explores his worldview in that state of mind, or Mt Eeries A Crow Looked at Me, written just months after the death of his wife and exploring how it has impacted every area of his life, are examples of far more compelling singer songwriter albums that express the raw emotion of those themes in ways I have never experienced listening to a Taylor swift album.
And where in that screenshot do I say it SOUNDS the same? The way a song sounds and its thematic content are two different things. You’re putting words in my mouth at this point because you’re this offended over someone fairly nit appreciating her music and it’s embarassing, frankly
I don’t know why I have to explain this to you twice but “she writes the same two kinds of songs over and over again” doesn’t necessarily mean how it SOUNDS. Again, the sound of a song and its thematic content are two different things. Are you actually reading over what I’m saying or just skimming it and being purposefully obtuse?
Frankly, based on how you’ve been acting, I’m not sure I want to continue this conversation further. You’re being immature, rude, and spiteful all because someone voiced criticism over music you liked, and it’s both pathetic and intolerably annoying. I have no interest in sharing art with people who are only exploring it because they want to use it as a point of argument. I voiced my opinion, you didn’t like it, tough I guess. If all you’re going to do is continually misinterpret points and…
You were actively asking me to continue the conversation with your “serious requests” and such about other artists and I obliged you thinking you might actually start to take conversation about art seriously. My mistake for thinking Taylor fans could handle a serious conversation about music that doesn’t just meat ride their fav lol
taylor swift isn’t important enough to me to get sources to prove myself to a stranger on the internet. the general consensus online says that she emits over x1000 more than the regular person. 1. just because someone else is on HER jet doesn’t mean that she isn’t contributing to the problem. 2. just because other people do it doesn’t mean it’s okay for the environment
Also, I’m calling bull on the “nobody’s crying” because you’ve got like 5 separate arguments going on in these posts, all over how butthurt you are that someone has a different opinion about an artist you like. You wanna talk spending hours of your life arguing about an artist, look in the mirror lol, just kinda pathetic honestky
Correct! Because it’s fun and I have downtime. I’m consciously aware of what I’m commenting on/replying to, believe me. Thanks for taking the time to scroll through and check though. *sigh* it’s always the same parasocial argument. I don’t care that TS never sees the post. I don’t care that she doesn’t know me. Blah blah blah. Next!
Also it’s less about caring and more so it’s just fun pushing buttons of people who don’t like her. It’s not normal behavior to be this obsessed with someone who brings you no joy. Nobody does that except, wait for it, people who are obsessed. Because let’s be honest. Taylor lives in yalls minds rent free with how many hate comments she gets on every yikyak post. Are you people not tired yet?
literally such a useless flight. she can drive. she may be a celebrity, but it’s not like she’s walking on the street. there’s nothing stopping her from driving or getting a ride places, especially for trips that short. it is just lazy and ignorant imo. people always say to be mindful of your electricity use by turning off a light in a room you aren’t in, and she’s using and lending her jet for short rides
this post was at the very top of my yikyak.. 😭 i need to be reminded of her to ever have her on my mind. and yes, you’re right. it’s not normal behavior to be obsessed with someone, including someone who brings one joy. but all i see in these comments is your obsession shining through them
I mean yeah sure I’m obsessed with her, I’m okay with that lol doesn’t impact my day to day or ability to maintain normal human relationships or have a job whatsoever. Plus it brings me joy. So? No losses here. You guys on the other hand, you’ve responded what….5+ times now? And for what? You could be out with friends, playing a video game, on a date but nope. Here. Talking about Taylor. :/
And I’ve been at work from 5:30am to 6pm my time. It’s 7pm now. Did you read my previous replies by saying all my stuff at work was finished including paperwork and patient care? I even had time to do all my diagnostic work and STILL had the ability to reply. That’s productivity if you ask me. I appreciate your concern though, very sweet of you to care about my health and wellbeing
She is world news. Maybe I should have corrected myself to “political matters” or something not in relation to pop culture. But you know what I mean I hope. Israel/Palestine is not on the same spectrum of importance as Taylor Swift and anyone with a brain understands that. However. There is allowed to be good news posts without Israel/Palestine being brought up every single time. That is allowed to happen and does not diminish the severity of the current genocide.
the genocide of palestine will keep being brought up in posts like this until their people stop dying. i get wanting to stay positive and see positive posts. but it is an abuse of privilege to ignore what is going on. palestinians don’t get to just ignore it and smile over a taylor swift post. so it will never make sense to me why talk of the war isn’t welcome in posts like this. it is to be expected
This is performative. Commenting on posts like this does 1) nothing for Palestinians. And 2) these comments are not on every post PopBase posts. I’ve scrolled through several now that have not a single comment about genocide. So I stand by everything I just said. You can keep commenting on stuff like this but it does absolutely nothing for the people suffering.
well since taylor is “world news” then maybe palestine comments deserve to be here 😇 also reposting a post on ur priv account does nothing for palestinians either. tell ur goat to spend her money on a starving family instead of a few minute flight to her man’s house for a booty call
I have a set amount of patients per day. Once they’re cared for, that’s it. The history form is completed, physical exam form completed, assessment form completed, diagnostics assessed completed, and discharge instructions completed along with medications filled. And believe it or not, I was able to do all that and still have time to reply to you people. So yes I was able to get it all done in time.
obviously people care about the ukraine war. the difference between the two wars is that the people in palestine are being starved to death and the WHOLE country suffers, while ukraine still has support. people have turned the war in palestine into a religious thing and have been siding with israel, so palestine is getting fucking flattened rn with no hope
Yeah, but I meant that what I’ve seen which obviously isn’t the whole internet, it seems some people don’t seem to be aware of the war or care that the war in Ukraine still happening, like it’s been put on the back burner, then there was a massive shift to palestine since hamas is starving its own people
#16 and #34 crashing out in these comments has made my week. Lol Ive been scrolling for 10 minutes and still am seeing their comments. I think Taylor is a great lyricist and on ok artist, some catchy songs, but brother #16 said she was at work and was commenting in their free time 😭. Like you could be doing anything else, watching Netflix, listening to music, but no youre defending someone who doesnt even know you exist 😭
her saying that she reads books is not proof that she reads books. do you actually think that every word that comes out of her mouth is god’s honest truth? seriously, how naive can you be? I’ve seen her in interviews: she has an average intelligence, AT BEST. and that feels generous.
I mean that I don’t think the way she speaks or behaves, or the specific things she says, reflects any sort of coherent or complex worldview. I don’t think she has any particular social or psychological insight. I don’t think her songs reflect a broad and vivid imagination. again, you’re free to disagree.
Okay but not invoking imagination is where you lost me. She wrote two whole albums about fairytales and folklore. I think it really is who you are as a person and if your imagination isn’t highly in tune in daydreaming vividly then I don’t expect you to understand the lyrics or how literate she truly is
she references things that the average high school student recognizes and is aware of. this is not impressive, and it’s intentional in order to sell her music. a grown woman in her 30s writing about fairy tales and what you are referring to as “folklore” (it’s not folklore, just fyi), is not impressive or evidence of someone with any literary interest whatsoever.
How do you enjoy Tori Amos and then don’t enjoy Taylor Swift who literally made albums almost in the same notion Tori did? Like genuinely. How do you listen to the imaginative lyrical imagery that Tori produces, and not have the same imagination transition over to Taylor’s songs? Serious question because she provides an insane amount of vivid imagery through her lyrics
So no, she cannot fly commercial nor can she drive. All that would do is cause an insane amount of people because you know people would buy tickets for that airport just to be there, and they would drive on the same highway just to catch a sight of her. There is no reasonable way for her to travel for her and everyone’s safety, that is not by private jet.
No because I would never do that. I don’t care if celebrities are in town or getting a glimpse. But every fandom ever has crazy and insane people, that’s just a given. People show up every place she is. People have taken pictures of her in HER HOME for goodness sake 😭 thinking she could travel any other way besides jet is just crazy
Okay I tired of responding to someone with so little working brain power. I provided evidence (backed by references) for TS not being the top CO2 emissions. You dodged it. You came back with AI images. And dodged it by talking about photoshop. Then came after me about the impact of AI when I’m not the one supporting AI by sharing AI images. We’re done here.
How could you possibly know TS’s body count? You don’t…. You’re assuming and spreading misinformation. It sounds like you’re jealous that she’s a billionaire who constantly donates her money to charities and gives massive bonuses to the people who work for her. Sounds like a good role model to me…. Please find happiness and joy instead of spreading hate sir