Guys, rn Christianity is under attack by Satan, people are getting confused and not actually reading, there are parts of the Bible added in during king James’s rule and the printing thru the Gutenberg that weren’t written by God’s chosen. There are people cherry picking and weaponizing the word of God. Remember the core truths and you can handle anything. God is love. Love is patient, love is kind, not quick to wrath. Then ask yourself? Is this truly what God would want? Donald Trump is not God
Not everyone believes in god. Personally, as a trans girly like..I’m not upset this happened. Like damn stinks someone got shot but this is the America white men want…also though if you listened to an ounce of what this guy was saying and you’re religious like..this dudes going to hell. Coming from someone that doesn’t give af about Christianity though
I am NOT celebrating the death of Charlie Kirks uglass, but he was audacious enough to think the very gun deaths he felt were justifiable wouldn’t touch him. The same way people who voted for Trump never thought ICE would touch them, or they’d lose their farms or jobs. Stop trying to pin this white on white crime on the left. Yall don’t even have this much smoke for the actual suspect!
Praise the Lord. Charlie Kirk and his family deserves justice. He might’ve had beliefs that some didn’t agree with, but he had a family to support. This could anyone praise the murder of a father or a husband. It’s just pathetic how our world has turned out. Instead of focusing on political beliefs, maybe we should reflect on the type of individual we are at heart. You cannot be on one side and say you’re a good person and bla bla if you’re praising the murder of a man based on his beliefs.
no matter what your standpoint is on what charlie believed in or spoke on no one deserves death or to be taken away from their wife. their KIDS!!! If you believe in God the 5th commandment is thou shall not kill, and if your satanist well i hope you like the hot weather bc hell calling ur name real loud !
tf you mean odds aren’t looking good in maga’s favor? Because he supposedly (you could fake that receipt in 10 mins with a phone) donated to Trump in *2020*? That’s before J6, the Biden admin, and a whooole lot of other stuff. The dude obviously doesn’t support maga, he shot Charlie Kirk ffs. What odds do you even mean aren’t “in maga’s favor”?
Because maga wants it to be a transgender black person with blue hair. If it was a Republican, who changed his opinion about MAGA/Kirk after they started withholding Epstein files, or Israel, or whatever made this guy switch up his opinion….. Well, then that means that Republicans are making poor decisions that causes their own fans to dislike them.
He didn’t deserve to die for beliefs. Nobody will ever have the exact same belief as another person. We’re human and we don’t all believe the same things. I as an individual agree with a lot of his beliefs, but not all. I won’t clarify which ones because it doesn’t matter. He was a great dad and husband and his family seen him shot and killed. That’s not okay.
If we ban guns, don’t you think people would still get them illegally? Once they shoot a person, it’s usually over for em anyways. Gun violence would still occur, but the people who respect the law would not have one to defend themselves and just become prey at that point. I’m sure Charlie knew that as well.
doesn't matter if they do or not. you guys group republicans all into one so i'm not sure why you're trying to make that argument either 'dumbass'. the fact is that libtards do cheer for the death of charlie kirk which represents mental illness. yall just can't lose your pride and admit it
Condemning and feeling for this kind of violence isn’t the same as democrats fighting back at republicans trying to turn this into a political war against the left and clearing things like that up. Also ppl feeling empathy for a situation like this can simultaneously not glorify his career and the things he has said.
You guys group anyone that disagrees with you into one so I don’t want to hear. You conservatards constantly cheer about the groups that you hate being forced to suffer. I’m not going to get blamed for something I didn’t do by the people who laughed about feeding immigrants to alligators in a fucking concentration camp
Maybe you don’t laugh abt those things, but do you as one person represent the entire Republican Party? No, you don’t. Just like how a few democrats such as your roommates don’t represent the entire Democratic Party. My family is democratic, but not a single one of us is celebrating right now. Just because we did not agree with his views does not mean we wished him dead. But hey, at least his death was “worth it” to keep the 2nd amendment 🤷♀️
You know why? Because POC have advocated for affirmative action policies that lower the requirements for them. As a result, it’s justified to wonder when you see a POC if they got in on merit or because the standards were lowered for them. Advocating against AA is advocating for POC to be assumed to have merit in any position by meeting the same standard as everyone else
Not saying this is justification for murder but the guy did do plenty, he helped cut abortion access country wide with his rallies, he’s helped discriminate and remove rights for transgender citizens, he’s influenced countless people to act in his fucked up ways, that’s not nothing.
Don’t want this guy to get the death penalty I want him to rot in prison. I could care less abt his political affiliation. At the end of the day this horrible kid took a father from 2 young kids and a husband from a wife. If you have 0 sympathy for the family then you need to get your morals right. I would feel like exact same way abt this if this happened to someone who votes left whether they were a political figure or not
you people have no humanity. let’s imagine for a minute that it was you up on that stage voicing your opinion. then in the next moment, your neck is pierced by a bullet and you die in front of thousands of people, including your family. voicing your opinion—no matter how controversial it is our right. If you think someone should die for that, you have no place in this country
Funny simplification and generalization. Give the man the decency of remembering his opinions and views and not twisting his memory into soemthing he wasn’t. The guy actively wished this on others, if that was me on stage being transphobic and saying shootings sometimes just have to happen, then by all means put me out of my miserable and harmful existence, publicly in front of my kids absolutely not but the general act itself no problem, lucky for me I don’t plan on being a fascist nationalist
Stop that wasn’t the only thing he wished. And just because someone believes in Jesus christ doesn’t mean they’re a saint.. no one can gaslight me into thinking this man is a martyr. Although i don’t agree with everything Kirk has said doesn’t mean he should die. Prayers to his family. This behavior should not be celebrated or tolerated.
Actually if I was a fetus all I would want is to be born. Worst case scenario put me up for adoption. That human being growing inside the victim isn’t the same as the father, and will grow up to be a completely different person. What abortion is actually about is convenience, not about what’s best for the baby.
Have you ever or will ever give birth? Have you ever gotten pregnant from rape? Because I have a friend that did as a 16 year old kid if you truly think that someone like that should go through the permanent change that is giving birth that you should never be allowed to be around children honestly if I met you in real life I would beat the shit out of you
Terrible argument based on religious doctrine that for the record, not everyone believes in or follows. Keeping the child also can causes more trauma to the mother and could even potentially cause the mother to resent said child resulting in abusive tendencies. Also that’s a hypothetical that doesn’t really work, bcs if they were aborted they would not know the difference.
I am anti war, not a vegan though since it is known that the value of a human life supersedes that of another animal since we were made in Gods image. When you say you’re referring to the Old Testaments discussion on the punishment for adultery. Jesus later amends this by saying that if you have sin you can’t rightly stone an adulterer since we r all sinners and all equal in that regard. Again, I don’t follow “a religion” or “religion” I follow Jesus Christ
Tell that to all the children who are currently experiencing foster care. Just because you give a child up for adoption doesn’t mean that they’re going to have some incredible life. Children from foster care are more likely to experiences homelessness, suffer from substance abuse, graduate college, and have higher rates of teen pregnancy. How about we make an effort to support people who are already living. I don’t see yall advocating for foster care reform or rallying against for profit adoptio
I am no pinnacle, ofc I can be wrong and I am a lot, I think half of them being truly suicidal is a very extreme assumption, but I do appreciate you talking about this and actually bringing up valid points, this is what our country looks like at its best. Dk if you’re a believer or not but god bless you and I hope you have a great semester!
I’m not entitled enough to believe I’m owed a life. I personally could never have an abortion but I support a woman’s right to choose. I don’t know everyone’s circumstances or the tragedy people have suffered. Women are more likely to experience domestic violence while pregnant, and discrimination from their employer. The maternal mortality rate is extremely high in America for such a developed country. It’s even higher for women of color. We have someone like RFK that believes black women have
And just to talk about later things you said, yes people suffer and pregnant woman have to go through a lot, all these woman have to go through (which again, is a lot) is only truly superseded by the joy and blessing that a baby is, not to mention how beautiful it is to start or continue a family
It is a blessing to have children and start a family. I hope to have children one day. It doesn’t take away from the fact that not everyone shares that dream. As a woman being told that my only meaningful contribution is my ability to reproduce is disgusting. A lot of women want a career and an identity that doesn’t include being a parent. Charlie Kirk made many statements that diminish the accomplishments of women. Being pro- choice means I want women to make a choice that is best for them.
As a woman, bearing a child is just one of many, many positive ways you can impact your family, community, and world. I love my mom very deeply and only hope I can marry someone as amazing as her one day. The truth about being a woman is that you can do ANYTHING a man can do AND give birth. Without a good wife or partner in life, even the greatest people would only be half of their full potential
The “joy” isn’t what you think mothers often are glued to the baby 24/7 for 2-3 years of the babies life it can be really hard, this is the time that most infant killings happen bc it can literally drive you crazy that’s why post-partum depression is so prevalent along with a huge drop in hormones you are glued to another screaming crying and vomiting tiny human yes the baby is cute and mothers love their children past this, but to say that it is only an inconvenience and not something that
I appreciate the context but I totally disagree especially since we don’t control if there is a father in the home and that mass shootings are hardly ever by a man who grew up without a father (at least of all the mass shooters or assassins I am aware of). It’s just empty words and aren’t actually helpful. If he has suggested something that would be even semi effective then I would take his point more seriously.
Do you think that’s what people are asking for? A complete and total ban on guns? The point is to make laws to reduce the amount of bad people legally purchasing guns, borrowing guns, or steeling them from others (like laws about how you have to lock up your weapon at all times it’s not on your person). Making laws about what kind of weapons can be owned privately or what caliber can be made legally.
What does it matter if it’s locked up at the age of 16 I knew the password to the gun safe and at the age of 21 my gun lives on my nightstand… you never know who can come into your house at night and if you have time to get to the safe. I have a gun at my house in the drawer by my couch and a gun by the front door in the shoe cabinet. You never know who can walk through your door.
I’m saying this as someone who grew up around guns, shoots guns, and owns one. I don’t hate guns and I understand the importance of the 2nd amendment, but having people need to rent the long range weapons (with their documented reason for use) at local gun ranges rather than have them privately owned could really help reduce the risk of shootings like Kirk’s. Hand guns? Yes absolutely can own them with background checks and proper storage and training! Shotguns? Maybe only privately owned if…
… they live on a certain amount of land, like on a farm or mountain or something of the sort where longer distance shooting is regularly necessary. Registered hunter helping keep wild animal populations balanced? Good 👍 random hobbiest wanting semiautomatic weapons for shits and giggles? No private ownership but maybe can keep at the gun range!
Comment under this post think you doing something? God bless u. How you can not like what he said when he was alive n when someone do us a favor you want to act like not right. That man wanted public executions, he wanted rape victim who got pregnant from their rape to keep a child to keep the memory going. Are you ok ?
it doesn’t matter “what he said” he held no political power.. at the end of the day he was an activist and the only people he had power over was his followers.. i don’t care who you are, you shouldn’t be murdered for your opinions. in addition, if you follow under the christan belief you should know the fundamental is spread Gods love no matter who, what, when, where. btw just an fyi less than 5% of abortions are rape cases.
How did he treat anyone terrible. He was an activist and debated and debunked the people the believe things way past what is possible. I’d love to hear that you believe it’s ok for men in the womens room or schools that put out kitty litter because some attention seeking person decided they identify as a cat.
If you determine people’s intelligence based on their diction and not by the substance, that speaks volumes about why you easily got brainwashed by evil people who speak eloquently about their despicable plans. I guess it’s easier to digest homophobia, racism, sexism, etc. when the other person is saying it nicely? In your opinion
Wow that’s crazy, I know it was a gruesome murder but it’s just one person. That seems like trying to make a statement rather than actual justice. They don’t try to get those punishments for others committing worse crimes like killing children which just feels so dirty, only like 12% of shooters (like mass shooters) even are tried for the death penalty and even less ever get convicted.
People die all the time because of car accidents, does that mean we need to get rid of cars. And about the empathy thing, he said it’s a new age term and he doesn’t agree with it because sympathy is a better word, look up the difference. If you’re gonna use a quote then finish it.
The Bible actively talks about cursing the womb of a pregnant woman if she committed infidelity to cause her to miscarry… so I feel like god isn’t too concerned about abortion as he gave them a ritual to do it. He also killed first born children (babies and older) to punish the parents for their decisions. It is also described the beginning of life as the first breath you take and “breathing life into you” as well being a good example! So the Bible isn’t clear on when life starts!
The difference about cars is that we are constantly working on ways to make it safer and putting in new safety standards and measures to keep people safer. We do so many things to help improve or replace cars like trains, subways, walkable cities, etc. trying to reduce those deaths all across the country. The same can not be said about guns. Also when was the last time a vehicle was used in mass murders (killing 3 people or more on purpose)? Or is it ACCIDENTAL deaths? Because that’s different.
Also guns are with the purpose to kill or injure (animals or self defense mainly but that’s still killing or injuring something) where as cars intended design is to travel and keep passengers safe while doing so. People NEED ways to get around in cities built for cars, however guns aren’t always a need. (Not saying we should ban guns, just for better gun control)
You’re incorrect regarding the purpose of guns, theyre to balance power between us and our government, its purpose is to protect us against tyranny and well as protecting our homes. Just because some people die of alcohol poisoning does that mean we should ban alcohol? Same with drugs, I mean it’s literally poison. You can’t pick and chose what we should and shouldn’t ban because some people are idiots and have hate in their hearts
Bro, protecting yourself from the government is STILL using the gun to KILL OR INJURE. It is a weapon. That’s its design. It shoots a high speed projectile to hit its target for destruction. The actually function of a gun is a WEAPON. Alcohol is NOT a weapon, that is not its intended design or purpose even though harm can happen to someone because of it. The design of a car is to get someone from place to place, that is its purpose, that is its design.
Okay? I promise you more people have died on a car crash than guns. Okay then I have another one, what about pocket knives? Should we ban them just because SOME people don’t use them how it should be used? How about drugs? People all the time poison people and spike drinks.
ngl I really don’t care to have this convo cuz honestly I think you sound completely and utterly stupid. And I’m sure you think that way of me too. So I’m gonna end this conversation here cuz I already got my point across, you know what Charlie meant by that statement and that’s all that matters. I hope you have a blessed night🥰
That’s not what I’m tryna say and my intention wasn’t to insult you, I’ve already made my point but you’re just making dumb ass excuses to why I’m “wrong” so I just don’t really care to have this conversation if you’re not gonna be open minded. I’m not surprised tho, that’s how leftist usually are
So your comment about knives and drugs didn’t load until just now so I didn’t respond but the same is true for knives and drugs. Drugs are a very wide category so I’m just going to say you mean illegal drugs and the deaths from those, which is more related to self harm and addiction than it is to murders but it’s still got many laws and huge task forces to try and help reduce the deaths for drugs specifically, which is still more than what we are doing for mass shooters.
And pocket knives do have restrictions and laws against them! Like no spring loaded knives, knives longer than a certain length are allowed in areas, etc. but knives are not weapons of mass destruction or able to be used at a very long distance or for mass murders so they are regulated differently than guns should be!
Wha- okay yae now I’m definitely done talking to you, there are barely any restrictions on pocket knives and they actually can be used to kill so many people in one area. Yes not as many as guns but that doesn’t matter, murder is murder and anything is a weapon. You asked me to give you a weapon and I gave you a weapon and now you’re still pulling excuses out your ass. Goodnight
Not a leftist and it’s not excuses, it’s just explaining why you are genuinely wrong. You wouldn’t say it’s an “excuse” if someone was explaining why 2+2 isn’t 5. And guns are quite different and I’ve explained multiple times in this that I’m not trying to ban guns but add in restrictions to help reduce mass murders. You’re the one assuming random things and not reading thoroughly.
These are my personal thoughts of what would make good gun laws based on different laws in other countries like Switzerland! I totally understand the need for guns as a general rule and for a safeguard against the government, but I also believe we could be doing a lot more to respect that while also protecting our children and people
“That’s not what he stood for”, I can tell you what he did stand for! He said that the civil rights act was a mistake to an African American child. Then when the child said “I wouldn’t be here” Kirk Responded “Exactly”. He said that the 1940s were better for black people. Should I keep going? I can pull out tons of more vile things he’s said.
how are you gonna seriously respond to kindness with complete disrespect and hatefulness. do you have zero brain cells? we’re all part of this beautiful country and can have differing opinions and healthy debates, but that is NOT a reason for hate or violence. this is the disconnect within our world right now. ponder on it.
No one should be shot for their opinions, but let’s not pretend like he was a good and moral person just trying to help people. He actively preached hate and Intolerance against anyone who didn’t look or think like he did. He didn’t care for his family, he didn’t care for others. The only people he cared for were trump and the other billionaires he could lick the boots of
Instead of parroting what you’ve seen online, actually tell us exactly what he said that was either racist, transphobic or wanted this same type of violence on others cause I can’t, he ain’t a fascist nationalist and I bet money you don’t know what that even is or can define it correctly
Let’s imagine for a second you’re laying in the middle of the road screaming I can’t breathe to a first responder and they ignore you as said first responder has his knee on your neck. Let’s also imagine the world watched you cry out for your dead mother’s help and a white gummy man tells the nation you died of a drug overdose.
I just looked it up and it’s neither 💀😭 sympathy is feeling bad for someone based on your own perspective (feeling bad for them but not trying to experience it with them) and empathy is feeling bad for someone based on their perspective (like truly experiencing their feelings with them) apparently?? So it’s sympathy to compare a situation you’ve experienced because you’re understanding is coming from what happened to you and it’s empathy to just experience it alongside the person and put …
Just because something is said on the internet doesn’t make it lose its meaning. I agree that not everything should be taken seriously, but when you say something in a serious way it’s going to be taken seriously. Being anonymous doesn’t absolve you of responsibility for what you say
He’s a fucking racist ass prick who didn’t care about others at all. I’m not going to feel bad he died, the same as he didn’t care about the school children that died. Some people do fucking deserve it, said and done. Deaths a horrible thing, sometimes it’s an accident, or just part of life, but it’s sometimes a consequence too.
Democratic institutions administering the death penalty after a trial by a jury of your peers = acceptable Cold blooded murder of your political opponents = unacceptable This whole “you either support killing or not” argument is so ridiculous when most people have situations where killing is vs isn’t okay.
Maybe celebrating is not the right word, but you said “nobody cares” as if it doesn’t matter and blue said he feels worse for the victim than the murder which is pretty wild. Basically the brazen dismissal of political violence is disturbing. Nobody comes out and says “nobody cares I feel worse for the shooter than the children” when a school shooting happens.
Taking away guns isn’t the problem and not the solution. Guns don’t kill people, people do. If not guns some crazy person would use a knife or a blunt weapon. The issue is violence is encouraged and or people are to mentally unstable to rationalize with reality to know doing such an act is wrong. This leads from bad parenting, bad education and the manipulation of social media conflicts.
I feel like civilians do not need semi-automatic weapons. Rounds need to be regulated per household. Mental evaluations for at least a year. You can keep your guns…but automatic weapons as a civilian is not needed. Civilians having access to military style weapons is a no. Retired military personnel who are no longer active need to have the same gun rights as a regular non-military civilian. Guns need regulation PERIOD.
There’s always a balance between liberty and safety (cars, police power, vaccine mandates etc etc) i imagine Kirk believes people have a constitutional right to own a firearm, and he probably believes that right is important to defend his liberty from the government and other citizens. I can’t say if he’s right or wrong but we have to be able to disagree on this stuff without killing each other. Democracy cannot exist without that which is why this murder is disturbing.
I hope you know that people like you are the problem. Wishing death on someone because you have different political opinions is actually fucking insane and SO inhumane. That is literally why horrible things happen. Some idiot thinks it’s their right to take another humans life because they got their feelings hurt.
He asked for the guy to be bailed out so they could interview him. If you watch the clip Kirk doubts if the guy is conservative at all and he thinks the democrats targeted him with an admiralty high bail. Presumably he thinks and interview would make the democrats looks bad. It is honestly a weird thing to say but he does make clear that he is not qualifying the murder and does not support it in the same clip.
Kirk said “I’m not qualifying it, it’s awful, it’s not right” . Are you willing to say the same about his murder because if not you are much more radical than he is when it comes to political violence. In other words he would co damn your assasination but you will not condemn his.
Also for the record we should condemn the assassination of political figures even if they wouldn’t condemn ours. If you don’t believe in protecting the rights of people who don’t believe in rights or democracy we would be rounding up most of the radical left and radical right.
Schools don’t put out kitty litter 😭 I know I’m not answering your argument or whatever but that was proven misinformation when the man who claimed it was questioned by Texas legislators in order to pass a law on it or not… he lied about it and couldn’t name which district or school he found his information from
he literally made a whole point after saying shootings need to happen yall just see the headline and run with it he said if we had armed security at our schools the same way we do at airports and sports stadiums it wouldn’t happen literally would happen way less he pushed for that he just believed in the right to defend himself and his family yes he said some things that are questionable when ur just looking at the headline and one quote
Actually, he cared Greatly about minorities to the point he called out people in the government that was working to turn minorities into victims that need extra help…. There’s a video I can recall of a black woman he spoke to where he thanked her for talking to him, told her she should be hired because she is intelligent and great at her job, not just because she’s black and told her her baby girl (also black) was a blessing to this world. Sadly the media only shows you what they want you to see
If you watch the clip he obviously didn’t mean black women as a whole, he was saying that needing DEI to get where you want to be in life suggests your not capable of achieving that goal on your own merit. There are plenty of black women who are more than capable of achieving their positions through their own ability. He never said that any minority is innately less intelligent. Paraphrasing what he said and putting quotes around it doesn’t make it legitimate and is tangent to straight up lying.
“He was against gay marriage and abortion, argued for Christian nationalism and was highly critical of Islam, and famously said that gun deaths were "worth it" for the right to own firearms. He was also an opponent of diversity programmes and spread falsehoods about topics such as Covid vaccines and voting fraud.” This is the man your defending, Crzy how he got killed frm the same thing he was advocating for
You say ‘give the man the decency of remembering his opinion’ while turning around and lying abt what that opinion was. 1 . Kirk’s entire platform was abt debating w/out violence. He was famous for saying: ‘When talking stops, bad things happen. In marriage it results in divorce, in opinions it results in violence - and it’s not good for anyone’ (you’ve never been given the silent treatment - it starts a fight). Ever gone through a breakup or no contact it is the beginning of the end.
The fact that this has 150 upvotes is proof that going to college doesn’t prove that you’re smart. Guy advocated for peace all his life and he believed that the second amendment was important for that. Yall sick in the head if you think he deserved to get shot for speaking his mind. Because he was probably a better person than me or you.
Can see whose on liberal media, banning guns would just result in law abiding citizens not owning guns, and crazy people who want to use them on other people would j get them illegally. thats the point he has been trying to make. He literally admitted right after our problem is the security and that schools should have guards just like our airports and other public facilities to keep the students safe. Its not a gun issue, its the person holding it.
I have a question did you feel the same way when the democratic representatives died in their homes? Did you have this voice when children have repeatedly been massacred in front of the country and then survivors are put in front of news cameras immediately to relive their trauma for the nation????
I know I did. I don’t care WHO it was, violence against someone who did absolutely nothing wrong is never ok. I think why this one is hurting more people is because many Christian’s feel attacked. Especially because of comments posted online saying he deserved it BECAUSE he was a Christian. It’s scary to see someone shot and killed for the same things you believe in as well.
Bc 10 is the the average youngest age girls hit puberty? The hypothetical would be pointless if she couldn’t get pregnant? What are you on? And yes that is hateful what you think we should just let parents do whatever they want to their kids? Also he literally can’t know there won’t be complications with the birth that shit happens all the time without warning please talk to a woman
W eyes that 1+% because republicans have been ignoring them when they said they wouldn’t. We’re holding your administration to its word and it’s lied, so we’re pissed and you should be too if you think parents and victims should have to option when it comes to rape, because a lot of republicans in power don’t seem to think so
So you want children to be born into people who dont want them? Or do you want them to live out their whole lives in the foster care system? STFU you’re main argument being “Kirk wasn’t hateful” is patently untrue I honestly don’t give a fuck abt your abortions opinions no matter what your opinion it shouldn’t be made into a law it should be up to the patient and dr
Ya she isn’t 10 yet, doesn’t change the fact that republican administrations have been removing these rights for those 1%+ /making it obscenely difficult to go through what’s already a horrid situation, if you support abortions for cases of rape then you should be mad at the administrations too
7 years is the entire point, he has theoretically 7 years to make that decision or just say “I’m not sure that’s a long time in the future” but what he said was “the answer will be that the baby would be delivered”. He’s made up his mind and felt comfortable enough saying it live on air that far into the future. Definitely a little fucked up
Actually if you had read what I said, I was defending your views from the maga administration and have been trying to tell you, if you voted for them, they don’t share your views on abortion. These are literally pro choice views that they would find disgusting, at least the administration officials pulling the shots.
I still obviously know what I’m talking about provided the exact quote. In the context of the hypothetical she would’ve been 10 and he still would’ve made her carry his rapists baby. Can you actually provide an argument about how Kirk was not a hateful person or not? I’m inclined to believe that you cannot
No you’re literally sharing pro choice arguments lmao sure you’re more centrist but plenty of pro choice supporters can get behind what you’re saying, like you believe in there being options and the potential for some choices, that’s PRO CHOICE. So many republicans can’t seem to understand this oml
Because he wasn’t actually neutral, just had some more left situated views on right policies than most other maga people. That’s why it doesn’t make sense a dem would kill him, he was literally changing tones on Israel and Zionism too, makes way more sense for a extremist right to have gotten mad at him stepping away from maga extremism
Oh noooo real life isn’t clear as day and black and white, and just maybe, a lunatic with the capacity to assassinate a man in public in front of his family with engraved bullets is a little crazy and “not normal”, meaning we can’t just assume and run with potential motives/assumptions about their character
By cooperative they mean that he is helping them with the investigation into his roommate. That’s the standard meaning of the word in that context. As for transitioning, it is possible that they are, but there is no proof of such and they have not come out about it. If they decide to make an announcement about a transition good for them but right now it is the assumption that they are not
They also said that they had the guy twice, that there was trans ideology on the casings/bullets, the prosecutors have been slipping up about this case left a right, I don’t trust a thing they say at this point until more proof comes out. It’s clear the higher ups are trying to make this an ideological spectacle and I’m just not into that without proof
Because they are pushing the ideology that by including leftist ideology on casings (even though that might not necessarily be true) and by saying that their roommate is trans and their partner, they are trying to set the idea that the shooter is a left-leaning person. It’s not necessarily to make trans people look bad but to make the left look bad
The alleged shooter has no confirmed political status, with recent statements from people saying he wasn’t fond of trump or Kirk (thought no outwardly left leaning), but others remembering his family and him as hardcore conservatives. There’s no confirmation on what party he belonged to. It doesn’t matter what party he ascribed to, killing should not be the go-to option in almost all circumstances
With context: he was debating abortion on Jubilee. He was asked if he still believes abortion is wrong even in the case of r*pe. He said he does believe it is still wrong, then asked what he would do if his daughter (10 at the time) became pregnant from r*pe. He then said that he would have his child carry another child to term, even if it irreparably harmed her in the process.
I can empathize with his family’s loss, however Kirk has built the hill he now lays upon. Many quotes of the man saying that the loss of life is worth unrestricted gun access. Please leave any judgement of others to the lord, for that is his job. I will pray that you get back on the righteous path 🙏
Hey are you stupid? I think that people who believe they’re innocent are not the same people who believe they’re committed it. They might come from the same group identifier, but I have not seen a single person claim both of those things at the same time. Maybe there is someone, and that person is dumb But you are also dumb for thinking that a large portion of people believe that
Nope! Also, horrible people can have ok views! Al capone a mafia boss who regularly instated the murder of others petitioned for farmers for expiration dates and against food poisoning! Yet he is not a good person. And yes I can assume, considering he raised someone who killed someone else
Might blow your mind what a fetus is, it also might blow your mind that if you value the potentiality of a fetus you must also value the precursors to a fetus as well. Because without specific conditions and components a fetus won’t be formed ever. Do you value sperm and eggs as much a a fetus, if you don’t then your logic is inconsistent.
Yeah I didn’t expect you do understand. I’ll slow it down for you. You value potentiality. You value the potential for that fetus to turn into a baby. Since you value the potentiality for a fetus to become a baby you must also value the two things necessary for the potentiality of a fetus. Those two things being sperm and eggs. Without either one of those things you won’t get a fetus. So how it is that you value the potentiality of a fetus, but don’t value the potentiality of sperm/ eggs to—-
Can’t get to the sprout if you never put the seed in the ground in the first place. If you delete the seed then you’ll get no sprout. See how that works? So if you value the sprout you must also value the necessary components that make said sprout happen. It’s a logical contradiction if you don’t
Just because you can’t grasp the logic doesn’t mean the logic isn’t there. However in your case, you’re lacking the logic to begin with. I’ll use your own example. You value a boat. A boat uses hammers and nails to build it. If you don’t value the nails, you can’t hold the wood of the boat together. If you don’t value the hammer you can’t assemble the boat. Anyone with the slightest bit of logic can see how those two items are integral to getting the boat and hold value.
People… but you’re not going to like where these questions go lol. It’s going to bring us right back to the original point. You’re going to argue those people couldn’t have been here if they were aborted which just goes back into the idea of potentiality. Then I’d tell you that those people were never guaranteed to be alive in the first place due to hundreds of different factors that could have happened in the womb or in their parents lives.—
No they do care if their hammer gets broken, bcs then they’d have to go get a new hammer, or new nails. You know, especially people who are missing said nails and hammers or are low on them. You know, the same way many women have less eggs than other and the same way many men have low sperm
We’re not moving on to the uniqueness of the person yet, I’m not letting you goalpost shift that easily. I’m going to run down this convo. I stated that sperm and eggs are necessary for a fetus to be a fetus. Without a sperm or an egg you won’t get a fetus. The same way you can’t get a baby without a fetus. Since you hold value for the potentiality of a fetus to become a baby, you must also hold the value for a sperm and eggs to become a fetus. You then said you don’t value the sperm or eggs—-
—you then gave the analogy of nails and hammers and the building as a stand in for the sperm and eggs and the resulting fetus. I then explained that if you don’t use either the hammer or nails you can’t make the building. Then you said “well if your hammer breaks you can use another one” meaning that YOU DO value the hammer. Because if you didn’t, there would be no need to buy another one. You know… bcs the building wouldn’t get built without it.—-
—-the same exact way that if you didn’t value sperm in the same way that fetus wouldn’t get formed. So now that you indirectly showed how you do value the sperm, why aren’t you upset about all of the wasted sperm? All of those sperm have the potential to be a fetus and turn into a baby, so why aren’t you upset?
Well that unique person part you failed to state in your original arguement, you goalpost shifted over there. What you argued to begin with lacks logic and I think you’re seeing it now hence the goalpost shift. Now you have something to stand on, but there are still tons of factors that could change the individual before the sore and egg meet
Oh I don’t care about the fetus bcs I don’t value potentiality. I’m just using your own logic that if you value the potential of a fetus to become a baby, you must also hold it true that you hold value in the potential for a sperm and egg to become a fetus, and therefore must hold them to be valuable as well
Ah ok I see where you’re coming from. There are still tons of things that can go wrong after the sperm and egg works. And like I said, you’re still showing you value potentiality because there is still the possibility that something goes wrong, and it’s not all that uncommon for it to happen.
Nope it’s to stop the potential that you have a child after being pregnant. You still are not 100% guaranteed to have said child, but the chance is much higher than you are to have it than you are to not once you’re already pregnant. It’s used to take the 3/4 of that chance and make it 0/4
Yes… I thought that was obvious since you know what abortion is… lmao. But either way I’m glad we had this convo because everyone can see how you doubled down so hard on your stance that you eventually ended up admitting that the hammer (sperm) or the nails (eggs) are important (due to you wanting to replace them) because if you didn’t replace them you wouldn’t be able have create the building (fetus). I also love it because people can see the exact moment you shift the goalpost to individuality
Anyways dude, it was fun chatting with you. You essentially conceded to my original point because you eventually ended up demonstrating the value of the hammer and you goalpost shifted and then claimed “that’s what I meant form the beginning” when you had multiple chances to clarify before I dismantled the original point
I was meaning in a perfect society. If you have a 100% success rate and a woman gets an abortion to stop a process that unless acted upon will bring a new human. Isn’t that taking life away from someone? Again since it’s 100%, it’s not a potential. It’s a certainty that they’d have a kid
To #42 point that means you also must be upset when cells in your body dies, because they have the potential (if everything goes right) to become a human. See how your own logic doesn’t hold up? Also you can keep using hypotheticals all day, but the fact of the matter is that pregnancy isn’t always 100%
I don’t see it because I think if you can replace something it’s not important if you can still get the same result😂 Which like I said, I was meaning the uniqueness. I can build the same exact building with 50 different hammers but I can’t make the same exact baby 50 times That’s where my head was at with those
Should’ve blocked you earlier with your terrible logic 🤣 Also, with your own logic looking outside of uniqueness of an individual… why should I value a fetus and potentiality when I can just make a new fetus? Even your own logic doesn’t hold up when applied to the things you value 🤣
Also at the end of the day the uniqueness factor doesn’t really apply until the sex is able to be identified, which typically happens between 18-22 weeks. Most abortions happen within the first 9. You don’t know anything about their specific genetic makeup before them, so it makes a hill of beans difference
bro put bs and put a random scripture on it that doesnt even depict what he’s saying. the real scripture is: “I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.” typical fake christian.
It takes a level of instability of self, dissatisfaction with one’s own life, to try and control others and the world. Many conservatives especially men who are factually in most and the highest positions of power in their community, seek to control anything and everything. They do not worship God, like Lucifer they crave God’s power and try to take away free will from other of God’s children. They don’t care about abortion. They view women and children as male property. Period
You’re right, “seeking control” is a little vague and an understatement. MAGA is wanting to dominate the political sphere of the US by eliminating all ideological differences from Dear Leader forcefully through first amendment right violations, ignoring direct court orders, discriminating against minorities and immigrants, rewriting history books and museum displays, lying about intentions and data, the list goes on
Didn’t realize you can voice your frustrations. Didn’t realize Trump wasn’t in office 4 years prior. Didn’t realize that someone losing their show is worse than someone else getting killed😂. Didn’t realize someone calling a commercial Nazi propaganda isn’t as bad as people hating a bud light ad and not buying bud light😂
If I say I don’t think Trans should be in the others locker rooms I get called transphobic and cancelled………… In other words my platform is taken away because people don’t like what I said. How is that any different than what Trump is doing? If what Trump is doing is bad then what Democrats do is also bad. You can’t have it both ways
Because that’s a PIBLIC outcry against you, what’s happening right now is the government telling ABC to cancel him or get cut funding. That’s a FEDERAL outcry. Society can hold you accountable for your use of freedom of speech, the government absolutely cannot. It’s that fucking simple lmao.
You don’t have to, you just have to deal with society holding you accountable, hence having your platform taken down by the public outcry. You’re free to believe whatever you want, but the moment you voice it other people have the right to voice theirs too, you’re not special in that regard lol
It literally comes down to: other people can criticize you for what you believe in just like how you can criticize them. The government CANT force anyone to believe in anything, so the government criticizing public opinions is a blatant first amendment violation while the former is t
Dude democrats literally aren’t forcing you to think anything, they’re trying to convince you to change your mind wtf? Do you even know what conversation and society is if I have to explain this to you? And left policies being completed isn’t forcing you to believe in them either, it’s a complicated system of passing LAW that’s found to be CONSTITUTIONAL
Or like that Sweeney commercial. People called it Nazi propaganda and if you didn’t see it you were a Nazi etc. That’s a very very huge statement to make. Like I don’t see it and I got called a Nazi. That’s not ok for people to just say that. Just like Trump making those very toxic statements
Trump is pushing his ideas through the government ignoring multiple laws and regulations to enact on them in the face of judicial criticism. It’s an obvious abuse of power and an ideologically fueled one. His words and actions have the weight of the federal government behind them as apposed to thousands of angry leftists calling you names lol
I think it’s ok for society to judge people for their beliefs and to hold them accountable, if that includes calling someone a nazi because their beliefs align then so be it. When government officials are acting like nazis then they’re fair game too, and vise versa. The problem comes when a government official uses their power to act on their beliefs outside of government resources and laws. Like what Trump is doing. Being president kinda comes with a little more responsibility than citizens
I handle social media for like 50 locations and you know how many times I get a message from someone saying an employee supports blank or is making concerning posts?😂 I’ve gotten maybe 6 people fired lol. Some for right ideologies and some for left ideologies. They don’t represent the company mission and image so why should we keep them. Sure maybe the news one is covering but the school one is more of a the town itself doesn’t agree with what they said etc and feel it’s unprofessional
Concerning* But like someone was like your employee is making white supremacist posts on Facebook and they tied that person to that location. Now they think the brand supports that person’s ideology. So how do you correct that? By firing them. Which is what we did. Obviously I worked with HR but even though I’m right leaning I don’t support what people on the right say all the time. I’ve gotten them fired before😂