these arguments are interesting. "he's going to prison" "he's not going to prison" most of y'all don't know what's going to be allowed in the case, what routes prosecution/defense are talking, or - most importantly - what kinds of rules will be placed on the jury's decision. juries don't get to decide based on anything (if they deviate from rules it can all go to mistrial). i have a family member who avoided a murder charge on a technicality. law is complex and messy - nobody knows fs
The cultural obsession but the guys who claim “the elites” are the same ones who run defense for every sexual assault. The same thing happened with Deshaun Watson, Trevor Bauer, Russel Crowe, Elon Musk and Donald Trump. They only care about “the elites” when they’re wearing the other team’s colors
The dungeon is what you’re latching onto? All the rest of these people have done horrific shit and still have defenders. As someone else pointed out, Bill Cosby has defenders. Andrew Tate got invited to the fucking White House. Clearly people will defend them. And lakefront property is not beachfront property you dumbass
The dungeon is what EVERYONE is latching onto. It literally doesn’t matter to the public how morally bad one is over the other. Having a literal rape dungeon, recording yourself raping kids, and raping FUCKING JUSTIN BIEBER is gonna get a lot more public backlash than allegations of x, y, and z. Like dawg you’re trying to compare a bunch of totally different things just cause they fall under the same legal category. Just fucking look around you dude you’re so oblivious 😭😭
I have looked around me. You know what I’ve seen? A bunch of people who will excuse horrific shit just because it’s a rich man. The dungeon is not what any of this has to do with anything. Believe it or not there’s a lot more sex dungeons than just his. I don’t see anyone bitching about them. Acting like this different from all those other horrible examples is ridiculous. I guarantee you if Diddy puts on a MAGA hat tomorrow, he’ll have 60% of the country defending him. You act like this hasn’t
This is literally your thought process: “I’m just gonna assume a whole bunch of shit from VASTLY different situations and then pretend that it applies here because I value personal philosophy over the currently transpiring reality”. If you can find me 5 normal men who don’t think diddy is guilty, then I’ll consider changing my mind
Well when you boil it down to the bare fucking concept, yeah rich people raping people isn’t a new thing. Tell me how many rich people also had court cases with evidence such as: rooms full of laced baby oil, massive parties full of celebrities recording themselves raping people, and allegations from Justin Bieber. See, when you add the details, things kinda change a little 💀
You seriously think there’s not 3 people on the planet that will defend him? You’re a fucking idiot. Sorry. But after all the fucking people I’ve seen defend other rapists, why is this one different? Because he has a room in his house? Guess what? So does every other person here. They all have rooms
ok you’re both being annoying. i agree with 34 that legally it’s not much different, and 22 that it’s socially different, but i don’t think the room is the key difference. i think he would have a lot more people defending him if the victims were normal people instead of celebrities. and 22, yes some people are depraved enough to defend diddy, there are people who play rape simulators. the question is whether they’d do it in a jury room where their name and face are connected to it.
Except there are plenty of cases with video that still have the person walk so clearly that’s not the difference. You keep insisting that somehow having a room is some major difference that lead to everyone saying “well I would defend him but he has a room in his house so clearly he did it”. If Trump had a sex dungeon would you agree that he’s a rapist?
I’ve personally never met a man who wanted to rape Justin Bieber but maybe in a random sample of 100 men, you’d find one that has some fantasies they should get thrown in jail over. In a sample of 1000, you might find one that has a criminal background with diddy-adjacent behavior
that’s not what i said, i don’t blame you for not reading through the whole thread though. the tl;dr is i’d be happy to be proven wrong and i don’t think every single man will say not guilty, but men do have a history of committing violence against women and allowing each other to get away with it. i had forgotten at the time that he’d assaulted men as well so that’s my bad
And Trump being the president means that the majority of the country will have to vote for a rapist. You act like this hasn’t happened before. Deshaun Watson was given the biggest guaranteed contract in league history. Trevor Bauer has a YouTube channel with over 800k followers. Clearly some people will excuse horrible shit
So where’s the video? You clearly have it since that’s the whole difference. I love how you’ve completely abandoned the fucking dungeon because earlier you acted like that was the only proof. Why is it so hard to admit that some people will excuse horrible shit? Why can’t you just admit that simple fact of life
Yes because they’ve done it before. You’re clearly an idiot if you think that 0 people will defend him. Enjoy the block so I can stop getting responses from someone that thinks that every person in the world agrees with everything and that dungeons are the only thing that can prove rape
Jury selection is so wack in this country, the rhetorical aim to have an “unbiased” jury is absurd. By selecting against people who are “biased” against sexual assault you just select for a weirdo jury where there are people are somehow like neutral on the matter? Goes for the death penalty too.
Yea, being a women may be make it more likely to have a certain stance, BUT some ppl need to remember that most ppl see themselves as more than just one part of themselves and are motivated by those other things. Which leads to things like women doing things that surprise ppl even tho there could be some other factor that clearly makes their decision not surprising at all. And this applies to men, nonbinary ppl, and literally any other identity or characteristic ppl hold.
And yet the history you’re referring to is incorrect as a victim of SA several times, I’m gonna need you to stfu. By you‘re responses alone you exclude people who are non-binary or shocker MEN like me who have been raped by surprise women. On top of all that historically black men like me were raped and used as sex slaves by white women so stop spewing your sexist bull crap and stick to the real issue here which is Diddy.
Also, you imply in one of your responses that all rape is bad and yet you exclude men which is hypocritical in itself. Just because you surround yourself with disgusting people irl or drown yourself in the internet (which is an exaggerated and disproportionate view of both negative and positive aspects of people in general) doesn’t mean that reality is the same.
I mean it’s more like people are able to not let their emotions cloud their judgement. There are multiple screenings done when selecting a jury and in this country, everyone has a right to a fair trial. It’s good that they screen for possible variables like biases. If we allowed biased people to be in a jury, I would have even more trouble believing a verdict
To follow this up, I am a direct supporter of rape and sexual assault victims and by no means I am condoning activities like this. From what I know Bauer, while having some pretty messed up sex with that women, commited his actions with complete consent. If Bauer and sombody had sex in the waste bin of Porta potty it would be weird as hell, but still complete “fine” in terms of rape if his partner consented
Fortunately, being an SA victim or knowing an SA victim isn’t an immediate denial for being on the jury. A lot of the women who were victims voluntarily asked to be removed from the selection pool due to ptsd, there was one victim iirc who i think made it past the first round of selections
the moment you said "dark humor" is when i realized i'll have a more productive conversation with a wall. defending it with the "dark humor" and "rage bait" excuse is naive. it's always "dark humor" until your buddy rapes a girl and faces jail time. they said what they said and here we are with men openly victim-blaming to take heat off Diddy. that's all i came to present, as the comments asked for.🤷♀️