Doesn’t matter if you agree with his views and dialogue or not. He worked incredibly hard. He continually educated himself, garnered great intellect, developed a strong set of communication and debate skills and most importantly, created a monstrous machine of a movement. If you’re that affected by what he said and stood for, create your own movement. Hell, he didn’t even go to college. #victimolympics
Seeing people celebrate the death of another person because they differ is political ideology is the most moronic thing i have ever seen. You do not have to mourn him nor be sad he is gone, but not having any sympathy for a man with a family and celebrating his death is unreal. Not to mention pushing a murderer as a martyr is insane.
Are you kidding? How do you know it is not true? I’m not even saying it is 100% true, but it’s not out of the realm of possibility and if it happened, do you really think they’d tell the truth? The news are also funded by outside interests as well… as to how we are supposed to elected good politicians… good question! Most of them are funded by corporations and foreign entities and can’t be trusted for that very reason
The funniest part is so many people are using a common form to avoid while using critical thinking using parts of speeches and twisting them to make him sound like a horrible person when he always made sure the fans where being respectful to the opposing side of the argument and all his interviews if you actually where to watch them you would realize that the media takes sentences out of context btw you can look up the term Ad Hominem if you are confused by what I’m referencing
"Im gonna ask a question i think its smart but in reality it just shows i dont understand what oppression is nor do ik what charlie said" but to answer ur "smart" question, he supported continued oppressive actions and beliefs towards immigrants, queer and trans ppl, several racial minorities, especially the black community.
No fing duh. Why would i see any value in someones life when they literally worked to get rich off continuing oppressive systems... they literally made it their life goal to get young ppl to see ppl who dont look like them as subhuman? Ofc i see no value in someone who chose to be an unredeemable racist, transphobe, misogynist and more
not everything is about a political agenda here buddy. Extremists on the internet saying free him are being extremists. but you don’t find it weird that the government is more set on a death penalty while plenty of murderers get life in jail, while pedos are barely punished? It’s not a bi-partisan issue
Yk whats funny? I literally called u out for not knowing what oppression is before i even answered ur question. Its almost like yall are so easy to decipher. Laws arent the only way to oppress and if u think that then maybe u need to go take a course of basic history, sociology, psychology and oppressions.
Words have power and if u dont understand that then whyre u so upset at us celebrating with just words? Oh wait is it maybe bc u understand words do in fact have impacts that can be powerful? Crazy how u understand that in relation to ur own beliefs but dont seem to think that applies to others.
I wouldnt call for murder just for disagreeing. The only one who thinks that is u when it comes to what u think ppl u dont agree with have as reasoning, which byw is a wrong interpretation of our beliefs. I didnt ask if u thought he was oppressive. Nor does it require ur validation. Im very well educated on oppression and im here to tell u he was oppressive. U disagreeing doesnt change that or as yall like to say, facts over feelings. Riddance to him, he hot what was coming for being an inhuman
You say you are very well educated on what oppression is. So how was Charlie oppressive for speaking his mind? That is what our country is built on. Democracy hinges on the ability to peacefully disagree. His words, while hurtful, did not actively affect other people’s lives, except hurting their feelings. How is that any different than any other topic that you disagree with?
U kept bringing up religion so actually it was abt religion. And i guess i shouldve been more clear. I never asked u to extend ur gracious morality onto me. I dont forgive ppl who, again, made it their monetary and moral goal to defend and empower oppressive systems. If ur ok with that, then cool for u. Im not and if u genuinely want to understand ill explain but thats the most ill interact with u bc i dont need some false savior complex trying to act like its disrespectful to myself to forgive
Unless you suddenly realize that his political views and the way he spread them directly contributed to oppression in america this argument is never going to end and tbh i don’t think you’re going to do that I think there is a disagreement on how the polices he promoted were oppressive not that him spreading them is oppressive inherently
I meant it in the sense that you're acting like you don't know the answer to your question. If you know anything about this situation, you shouldn't have any of the questions you do. If you're really just not up to date I suggest doing your own research instead of relying on the dumbasses on yik yak to tell you what's happening
So with that logic, isn’t Bringing life into the world also playing God if you don’t want a child and you have a choice to abort a clump of cells or let it grow into a living being and go into a foster care system where they’re tossed around to group homes, raped, beaten, forgotten, given mental health, physical, and emotional abuse and not loved by anyone only to turn to drugs and suicide? Yes, not always the case but it’s a possibility for some peoples situations where it can be avoided.
I understand you’re upset about his agenda which is totally understandable. But you keep mentioning how he has spoke. He said this. Said that. Spoke about this. I’m saying it’s all just words man. If you don’t like it then ignore him. But you don’t get to shoot him because you don’t like him. Claiming he was inhuman is trying to draw a line for oppression and humanity. Doing that won’t work because everyone’s line is different. There will never be a right answer.
I don’t think people are defending him, for me anyway, it’s so fucked to kill a human (so fucked someone killed Charlie Kirk, right?) even if you full disagreed or hated the man, still shouldn’t die. BUT we counter that by….. killing??? Make it make fucking sense cause idk who said a person has the right to kill someone no matter the circumstances.
Me, the person affected by the oppression, ignoring his words does nothing. When OTHER PEOPLE HEAR HIS WORDS, AND ACT ON THEM, THATS THE PROBLEM. I didn’t hate Kirk because I didn’t want to hear what he had to say. I hated Kirk because he inspired people to commit atrocities and oppression with his words. It isn’t about us listening to him. It’s about the people who did listen to him. He is responsible for telling people to do the bad shit that’s been done.
Not defending the man. We are saying like hey! Let’s not solve murder, WITH murder? Like why would any human have permission to kill someone under any circumstance with the exception of defense. Whether it’s an assassin killing a politician or a professional scheduling a legal killing of a murderer. It just shouldn’t happen. We shouldn’t have the right to kill a person ever.
Not defending him. Defending him would be like “he had reason to do what he did” or “he didn’t do anything wrong, free him”. We are simply emphasizing that he needs to be put in prison, and reform needs to be put in action. MURDER SHOULD NEVER BE A RIGHT. No one should legally be able to murder. A human should not choose if a person is worthy of death.
The SEALs were told to capture bin Laden if possible, but if he resisted in any way, they were authorized to kill him. U.S. officials argued that trying to arrest him alive could endanger the mission and the team (e.g., suicide vest, hidden weapons, or followers interfering). He did in fact end up resisting and they had to take defensive action. NOT THE SAME.
Words aren’t oppression? No surely speaking to mass followings on news outlets and social media calling for abuse on minorities isn’t oppression at all. Cuz telling your followers to stalk and harass George Floyd’s daughter isn’t oppressive and neither is any of the other shit he called for his followers to do. Power and authority of any kind even if it’s just speaking words to mass followings makes you an oppressor when the language is oppressive. Charles Manson only spoke words too
The one thing you all have in common is pedaling quotes taken out of context. That just shows the depth of ur ability to reason and comprehend shi. Context matters buddy and calling him oppressive is quite literally the dumbest characterization of him I’ve ever seen and I’ve seen a lot of
You can compare him to other people sure, but let’s not trivialize the deaths of 6 million people over the death of one. Bastard made my grandma have to eat squirrels because otherwise she’d starve to death. A whiney douche on a podcast and someone who built death camps, that’s so so so different you can’t compare it.
This whole just-ignore-it idea is so stupid and delusional. Thats not how we prevent oppression and if u dont understand that it has to start with "opinions" or "just words" then i wonder how u envision genocides happen, how something like jim crow came to be so ingrained, how something like systematically making disabled ppl infertile is possible. Things dont just switch onto evil. It requires words from ppl like kirk. Words that inspire, the seeds of oppression.
Ur comparing a whole nazi regime to a man. And yes u, bc none of us said that the nazi regime and hitler specifically are fairly comparable to kirk. The comparison made between them was the fact their words inspired ppl to view others as less than. That some ppl deserve to be punished for who they are.
Well as the yikyak user u speak of, i would just like to say that i never asked to be preached to so thats part of the reason why there were comments made abt christianity. If u find comfort in that religion great for u. Assuming my morals are based on christianity isnt rlly great tho and thats why i asked them to not preach at me.
I’m just letting you know it’s an offensive comparison to draw. Anything happens in this country (I’m in America) and people start talking about the most evil time in human history. Dress codes, school shootings, prices changing, people saying slurs… it always comes back to World War Two. It trivializes the millions of lives lost.
Your failure to make a coherent argument without comparing charlie Kirk to osama bin Laden (your other comment), jfk, Lincoln is laughable. Charlie Kirk was not a president, not a terrorist. He debated kids on college campuses and you cannot compare this suction to another situation because he’s literally not any of those people
This like, people compare his assassination to mlk, mlk was standing up as a voice for HIS people to have the same justice and freedom as whites. Kirk DIDNT even care about all the killing going on in Israel w all the inncocent people dying, men, women, and CHILDREN white people only care when it’s THEIR people
It’s not stupid. Ignoring hateful rhetoric is the best way to prevent it from spreading. Villainizing the person and promoting his death is not going to fix things. Making someone a martyr for their beliefs is not going to fix things. And once again, words are not oppression. He never openly promoting violence. He detested violence. And I’m aware of genocides and other atrocities occurring because people did not ignore those who promoted them. You just simply can’t murder those you don’t like.
It rlly doesmt always come to ww2. Also i think its beyond trivializing to the plethora of other heinous shit im human history to act like the holocaust deserves to be treated as the worst as if slavery in the US wasnt exponentially more murderous, cruel and lasted centuries. So while i agree we shouldnt demean the holocaust that occurred in nazi germany. Lets not act like thats what was being done.
As a christian this is a rather idiotic statement and lacks logical reasoning Just because they are both atheist and depressed does not being being christian would make you not depressed. If you are still in college I recommend you take Discrete Math Theory to understand logical fallacies like this more. This is not meant to be passive aggressive (i’m not too good at tones over text)
It misinformation because its not true!? Why are you trying to guess the motives of politicians when you can simply look up the news! Im not trying to defend israel or deportation because they are very complicated topics. But how are we as a nation supposed to elect good politicians if this is the logic we use?
He is a fascist so he wants a ruler for life that will violently suppress free speech and gun rights? Yea no way. Also, i cant spoon feed you everything youve gotten wrong with correct sources. There are thousands of dumbasses like you that wont even bother to look up misinformation when i tell them. You just said “im not aware” and kept going. At this point, you dont have your own opinions, and your mind is controlled by misinformation and emotion.
Debatable. I would argue that in some cases, the only punishment a person can receive that comes close to being equivalent to their crimes is to pay with their life. Some select few people out of the population are true monsters, and those select few should be dealt with accordingly for the sake of the rest.
“We do know that the roommate that we had originally talked about, we can confirm that that roommate is a boyfriend who is transitioning from male to female,” That comes straight from the governor of Utah. Corroborated by sources from the FBI to legacy media outlets, as well as the significant other in question, who is fully cooperating with investigators.
Hitler is so different. Charlie Kirk was never trying to wipe out a whole population. People came to him to ask questions and their questions were answered. They didn’t have to ask questions, they chose to. He’s not ordering to kill people like Hitler did. The fact you’re comparing Charlie Kirk to a murderer is insane and pretty sad.
He’s being charged with the murder itself, along with an enhanced charge for it being a targeted attack based on the victims political beliefs. Another enhanced charge for committing a violent offense in the presence of children. Felony discharge of a firearm in public causing harm. 4 more counts for obstruction of justice and witness tampering.
Yes they may have not been there. But you know the wife has potentially seen or heard about the terrifying details because it was everywhere! Yes the kids weren’t there and she helped protect them from the scariness of what is happening in the world but their kids still have no father now.the daughter asked where her daddy was and that she missed him. Idc if you’re republican or not, if you have a heart that will tug your heart strings a lot
President Biden is right. He knows that the majority of poor kids are not white. That is true. The quiet part said outloud and instead of people understanding and thinking that’s true. Let’s give everyone equitable opportunities they turn it into Biden is racist, it’s only white people saying that, because racist is the greatest insult they can give eachother. No one gives a fuck what Biden said. Let’s talk about how the authoritarian Trump regime is staging a FUCKING COUP
Its funny bc u think thats a gotcha as if im a biden fanatic. Guess what? Im not. Its crazy that he said that. See how easy it is to call out ppl even if u supported them in some capacity. Anyways. If u rlly wanted to know when he said it u can google it bc i dont have a time stamp of it in my mind.
“Words are not violent” his words were some people are more deserving of life and liberty than others. That is an inherently violent statement buddy. This is why they’re trying to take education away. You do know Hitler only used his words, for years, until he convinced everyone to agree with him and had the POWER, earned by words, to KILL those who did not. Words are very powerful, and Charlie died in a way he said was “inevitable” and even “necessary” to maintain our rights, ironic asf
An order from a dictator with political power is not close to the same thing as a guy sharing sketchy hot takes on a college campus and posting it to YouTube. When Hitler told people to kill it was listen to him or be killed yourself. Charlie never called for physical violence but even if he did no one was obligated to carry out that violence in his name.
No. It’s an incorrect statement. Not a violent one. Violence: “behavior involving PHYSICAL force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.” Not to mention he never called for violence. I’m aware Hitler was oppressive using his persuasion, but his actual oppression was carried out through his policies. Policies that Kirk did not have the option to carry out because he was not in office. People need to stop trying to justify his murder, it’s an impossible argument.
You say he doesn’t have influence like Hitler and you’re right. Charlie is a modern day GEN Z GOEBLES. Yes he is. When the President is asking us to fly flags at half mast for him, and people are losing their jobs?? You’re being willfully ignorant about the scope of his influence and trying to minimize it for arguments sake
That man who claimed he got the idea from Charlie is the oppressor. Not Charlie himself. Blame the actual murderer here instead of taking his good-for-nothing word and putting it in Charlie’s mouth. And yes, what he said about Pelosi’s husband was silly. And guess what? He wasn’t released. People ignored him, and there was no further violence.
You don’t know anything about me or any oppression I’ve experienced. And people who think words that hurt their feelings are a form of violence are the reason real oppression is not given the attention it needs because everyone else is playing victim. Playing victim won’t justify his murder.
I’m not minimizing the ridiculous things Charlie has said. I’m showing how easy it would be to avoid them. You all feed into his nonsense and then wonder why he doesn’t stop. And I could say the same thing about Goebles. If people ignored him and did not carry out violent acts on his behalf then there would be no issue. Once again, the actual violent people are the problem. I’m providing a way to cut the head off the snake without murdering a father and husband and then trying to justify murder.
When did I say he does not have power in his words? I said his words were not violent because words cannot be violent. Violent people are violent. And yes, saying Charlie’s words have oppressed you is 100% playing the victim. If you’ve been oppressed, blame the actual suspect. Not the man that they want you to blame instead of them. And him receiving “governmental martyr ship” once again, is a non violent response. If ignoring words is privilege then by all means, I’m privileged.
By that logic, Hitler was never violent or oppressive because he technically wasn’t the one who hurt anyone. HE didn’t push the button on the gas chambers or pulled any trigger (besides his own), so he’s not a violent person. But I think youd agree that the logic you’re using isn’t right because Charlie condoned and encouraged violence in America which does make him a violent person
The death penalty isn’t permitted in most countries. It is allowed in the US, Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, China,India and some Muslim countries. The US should be out of this. But bc we do, Western European countries won’t allow people to be extradited to the US eg the Wikileaks guy.