Anonymous #1 1d

And? It’s not like that’s what abortions and Planned Parenthood are used for today.

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Anonymous OP 1d

Only 2 ish percent of abortions are used for rape or actual reasons, everything else is “undisclosed” meaning forgot a condom

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Anonymous #1 1d

Also who are you claiming “founded” abortion? They have happened since ancient times

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Anonymous #1 1d

And? I’d rather let a woman have an abortion than have her AND her kid be forced to live in squalor because she can’t afford to have a kid.

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Anonymous OP 1d

There’s 2 million families wanting to adopt

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Anonymous #1 1d

Meanwhile the anti-choice party is the same one making it harder for people - like LGBT couples - to adopt. It’s almost like they don’t care about children and simply want to control people 🤔

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Anonymous OP 1d

Lgbtq people have higher rates of suicide over people in the slave trade and the holocaust. It’s not fair to bring a child into a family where it’s a coin toss if one of their parents kill themselves

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Anonymous #1 1d

1. Are LGBT parents or LGBT non-parents at a higher risk of suicide? 2. Increased risk of suicide for LGBT people is caused by having unequal rights, such as not being allowed to adopt. 3. People in financial distress are also at an increased risk of suicide. It’s not fair to bring a child into a family where it’s a coin toss if one of their parents kill themselves. And even if their parent doesn’t kill themself, they still are starving due to financial strain on the parents

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Anonymous #1 1d

4. Plenty if mothers can die during complicated childbirths. In that case, the child is still growing up without a parent. Many of those deaths could be prevented with access to abortions.

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Anonymous OP 1d

Furthermore, states with stricter abortion laws have higher rates of maternal mortality. What’s “pro-life” about more dead mothers?

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Anonymous #1 1d

"abortion was founded"? buddy humans have been inducing abortions for millennia

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Anonymous #4 1d

this source says up to 36% https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2813745

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Anonymous #6 1d

"don't listen to the people that hate you" okay but you also hate me

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Anonymous #2 1d

What makes you say I hate you? You are a human being worthy of life just like everyone else.

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Anonymous #2 1d

I don't hate you, and even if I did, I wouldn't hate you nearly as much as the ones advocating for your extinction.

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Anonymous #6 1d

you equate being pro choice with being a eugenicist. I am pro choice.

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Anonymous #2 1d

You are saying that it's wrong to equate being pro choice with being a eugenists. Why?

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Anonymous #6 1d

because women making the choice not to become mothers are not doing it as part of a program of eugenics, obviously. they're making a decision about their own lives.

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Anonymous #2 1d

Do you believe that the powers that be don't want certain groups of people being mothers?

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Anonymous #6 1d

it doesn't matter. the "powers that be" also want to molest children; does that mean that having children makes you pro-pedophile? obviously not.

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Anonymous #2 1d

The powers that be, the same ones that traffic, molest, and kill children, want you to have an abortion. They do not value human life. Being "pro choice" devalues human life just like they do. You know they hate you. And they want to "cull the herd". You are cattle to them. They have the power to kill you, but also to convince you that you are not worthy of life.

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Anonymous #6 1d

Nah pretty sure they love when women's freedom and careers are derailed by an unwanted pregnancy and she is immediately at the mercy of whoever her "provider" is. there's a reason the political party of brutal capitalism is also the one opposed to abortions!

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Anonymous #11 21h

In induction abortions, the baby is intentionally killed right before labor is induced, and the baby is then delivered. Dead. Before it takes its first breath, terminated from any chance of life.

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Anonymous #11 21h

Late term abortions basically never happen outside of medical emergencies. In the overwhelming majority of cases you're referring to, the mother is absolutely devastated and did not want that outcome, and is instead receiving a medical treatment to save her life.

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Anonymous #2 21h

I’m happy to explain another type of abortion. Suction abortion - cervix is first dilated. A strong suction 29x the power of a vacuum cleaner tears the baby’s body apart and sucks it through a hose and into a container.

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Anonymous #2 21h

Maybe #11 would rather see both the mother, and by proxy the baby, die? 🤷‍♂️

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Anonymous #2 21h

Dilation and curettage abortion - after dilation of the cervix, a sharp looped knife is inserted into the uterus. The baby’s body is cut into pieces small enough to suck out by yet another suction device.

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Anonymous OP 21h

I’d rather see both live

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Anonymous #11 21h

Well borh die if the woman can’t get access to emergency abortions, so clearly not.

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Anonymous OP 21h

A woman is never guaranteed to die simply because she is pregnant or gives birth, if the baby is alive it has a chance to live. If it’s killed it doesn’t have a chance to live

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Anonymous #11 21h

Look up “ectopic pregnancy”. If a woman has one, she can indeed die.

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Anonymous OP 21h

Ectopic pregnancies are not capable of developing into a live birth, that is not comparable to a regular pregnancy

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Anonymous #11 21h

But the embryo is alive in her womb, so it still ends a life.

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Anonymous OP 21h

After all, you say “human life” is equivalent to a clump of cells, which is what an embryo is

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Anonymous OP 20h

In many cases the pregnancy ends on its own. It is different when there is not a single chance for the baby to be born.

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Anonymous #11 20h

Crazy that me saying, “I’d rather see the woman and child live “ gets downvoted 😭

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Anonymous #11 20h

And I explain types of abortions yall will live and die by so that people can get a better understanding of what they are supporting. And it gets downvoted as well

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Anonymous #11 20h

“In many cases” does not mean all. In the cases where they do not resolve themselves, what do you believe the women should do? Just die?

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Anonymous OP 14h

No. As I said, it is different when the baby has 0 chance for life. If a baby is dead already removing it is not the same as killing it.

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Anonymous #11 13h

Would you be kind enough to listen to a hypothetical?

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Anonymous #11 13h

I’m sorry for my reply spam. If an ectopic pregnancy is dead already (which is not always the case) and has to be removed, that is still an abortion, no?

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Anonymous OP 13h

Abortion by definition, is “the intentional termination of a pregnancy before the fetus can survive outside the uterus”. If it’s already dead it’s not an abortion, if it’s not going to survive outside the uterus it’s not an abortion.

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Anonymous #11 12h

What dictionary are you citing here?

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Anonymous #11 12h

cool so let's see a 12 week fetus survive outside of the uterus

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Anonymous #11 12h

The WHO defines abortion as “the expulsion or extraction from its mother of a fetus or embryo weighing less than 500 grams”. No mention of whether the fetus can survive outside the uterus (which in rare cases, it can). The NIH defines abortion as “the process of delivering a conceptus prior to the fetus’s viability, which is defined as 20 weeks of pregnancy or a fetus weighing 300 to 500 grams or more.” Again, no mention of whether the fetus can survive outside the uterus.

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Anonymous OP 12h

So if the organizations that guide US healthcare agree abortion has nothing to do with survivability outside the uterus, then the removal of an ectopic pregnancy is indeed considered an abortion (by US standard). Given this, and the fact that the embryo from an ectopic pregnancy is already dead, then abortion *can’t* be murder (by US standards). You can’t murder what is already dead.

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