Anonymous #4 5w

That’s not homophobia per se. If you respect their lifestyle but it’s not for you, you’re just not gay

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Anonymous #7 5w

I would argue “I don’t support it” means the person is homophobic, because rather than “I tolerate it” it implies they actively dislike it, but don’t take action to oppose it. In any case, I think #4 is less harmful than other homophobes who are quite outspoken against it.

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Anonymous #6 5w

What is your objection to telling children they can change genders? Is it because you think it’s factually incorrect (for any age), or because you think the concept of changing genders is okay but inappropriate for children? Why do you hate someone whose personality is being trans or gay, and does that extend to any other personality traits?

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Anonymous #6 5w

So you’re still disinformed and unwilling to learn, then?

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Anonymous #2 5w

Elaborate

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Anonymous #6 5w

There’s no “agenda” and Trans kids exist and are not confused.

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Anonymous #2 5w

All kids are confused. Tell me you never once said you hated your mother or father as a child. Obviously there are acceptions and some people are bad to their children but most aren’t. Kids make stupid decisions on an almost daily basis. There’s no way around that

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Anonymous #8 5w

Sent a response didn’t send as a reply tho

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Anonymous #6 5w

No, I never said that to them nor thought it. Kids aren’t idiots. Being Trans is an intrinsic part of who many people are— it is not a choice. Time for you to learn to do and be better.

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Anonymous #2 5w

Next your gonna tell me you’ve never said a bad word about anyone. If people cannot be honest you cannot have a productive argument. Kids are confused. Every single one of them. You must be a saint. You litterally downvoted me telling you to explain more on the first response it makes no sense. You definitely have said something to your parents out of anger. You were a child it’s not that big of a deal we all have done it and regret it at some point

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Anonymous #2 5w

Kids aren’t idiots but they are inherently dumber than adults there are reasons we have age restrictions on many things.

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Anonymous #6 5w

Kids are not idiots. They are just easily influenced by emotion and their socialization during childhood. We are all the product of our experiences and develop our knowledge and perspectives based on how we see others around us existing and how we were taught to think and “be” growing up. Educating kids on the variety of experiences/gender based relationships people have with their bodies is quite the opposite of pushing an agenda.

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Anonymous #11 5w

Treating gender as a moral issue, avoiding the topic or steering kids in the direction of hetero/cis normativity is more manipulative than giving them information about what potential feelings might mean. Avoiding the topic can make children feel as if they are morally wrong about feeling certain things (such as dysphoria or same sex attraction) and lead to depression and anxiety about their body and feelings.

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Anonymous #6 5w

They still know who they are and what hurts them and what helps them thrive. Trans kids have always existed and will continue to. They know who they are— it’s on us to ensure they are safe to be who they are, without denying them that safety.

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Anonymous #11 5w

Gonna be honest I still don’t agree with what your saying but I do see your point in education. However I hope you can see even if they are educated in this they should not be able to make the decision on those surgery’s or the hormone blockers until at minimum 18+. I agree they are easily influenced by emotion these are permanent. And should not be able to made while still a child

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Anonymous #2 5w

Pretty sure trans have not always existed as these surgery’s and pills are quite modern. Even if you say drag has been around that is not a trans. Gays may have been around for a very long time but def not trans

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Anonymous #2 5w

If they aren’t old enough to have sex they most certainly aren’t old enough to change sexes

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Anonymous #6 5w

If they aren’t old enough to buy alcohol, be enlisted, and be executed for a violent crime…..

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Anonymous #6 5w

Puberty blockers are only effective during puberty, and have safely been used in cisgender kids for decades. Secondly, it’s important to note that just because children cannot meaningfully consent to some things (sex, signing a loan, marriage) does not mean that they don’t have ANY understanding of themselves. It progresses with age. By 13, an internal sense of gender is definitely present.

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Anonymous #6 5w

In your opinion, which came first — the medical technology or the internal desire to transition?

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Anonymous #8 5w

Gender has been seen to be well established much earlier than 13.

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Anonymous #6 5w

Puberty blockers have been used for (and were developed for) cis kids. Trans kids 100% deserve access to appropriate healthcare. Not every Trans person requires surgery, but that’s not for you to determine. It’s not a simply process by *any* stretch of the imagination and is wildly inaccessible even for adults, and that’s not right. Trans people* (because it’s an adjective, not a plural noun) have existed for all of human history. We have records thousands of years old confirming this.

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Anonymous #2 5w

That’s true — I didn’t have any literature with me so I made a conservative estimate

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Anonymous #2 5w

I whole heartedly agree gender is established at birth

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Anonymous #2 5w

Send a link to these records :)

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Anonymous #8 5w

Desire to transition does not make a trans the same way drag does not mean trans

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Anonymous #8 5w

Did you know by age 0 the gender is already a thing. Ever heard of a gender reveal? It happens a long time before 13

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Anonymous #6 5w

I’m not mad at you, I’m just trying to make sure I understand where you’re coming from. So you’re saying that, your personal definition of transgender is someone who has taken steps to medically alter their sex? Not legally, not mentally, not socially, or by clothing, or anything — only medical, bodily interventions?

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Anonymous #8 5w

Also, feel free to DM me. I’m trans but I’m also very into biology, so I’d be happy to talk more.

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Anonymous #6 5w

Elagabulus, Inanna’s Gala priestesses, Māhū, Hijra, Two Spirit People— there are countless examples. Trans people have existed across every time and culture. Look into the YouTube channel “We Have Always Existed”. The term “transgender” may be newer, but transitioning is far from it. We have prehistoric burial grounds of Trans individuals, prehistoric statues, the list goes on.

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Anonymous #2 5w

Also, biology is far from simple. Chromosomes are not the end-all-be-all. Medical intervention is not a requirement of being Trans.

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Anonymous #8 5w

Yes a transgender is a person who has “changed gender”

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Anonymous #2 5w

It’s not just chromosomes, there’s more?! Great, you just added 3 years to my degree. Fml

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Anonymous #6 5w

I’ll look at the others shortly my friend

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Anonymous #8 5w

Tell me how many genders do you believe in

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Anonymous #6 5w

Gender is as unique as the individual. No two people are exactly alike.

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Anonymous #2 5w

After a few minutes of searching I found stuff from people at Cambridge and other historians who believe the rumors of Elagabalus being trans was used to slander him

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Anonymous #2 5w

The gala priestesses were simply some of the first drag queens after this research you gonna have to prove the third

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Anonymous #2 5w

Sir no two personalities are alike both genders are the exact same. We are confusing things now

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Anonymous #6 5w

Yeah, I also subscribe to #2’s statements regarding gender, that there isn’t a fixed number. It’s more like a chart with many dimensions, but the majority of people end up aligning with the gender identity associated with their sex. I think this is the anthropologically and psychologically agreed upon idea, anyways. It’s kind of like asking how many colors there are. There are really as many as you can name.

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Anonymous #6 5w

You can try to deny history as much as you’d like but Trans people have always been and always will be.

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Anonymous #2 5w

I guess I’m just wondering what #8 thinks inspired the first person to medically transition? Like did they just take it because it was there? Did the desire not exist before the medical treatments were made available? There really wasn’t ANYONE who felt they were the opposite gender before, say, estrogen was synthesised and prescribed?

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Anonymous #8 5w

Again this is personality. There are two genders xx and xy This is science and fact

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Anonymous #9 5w

As you have nothing to back that up aside from disinformation and ignorance.

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Anonymous #2 5w

Pretty sure the bible says it

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Anonymous #6 5w

Cool, your one version of mythology doesn’t have any bearing on reality.

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Anonymous #6 5w

Nope, but nice try.

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Anonymous #8 5w

Not #8, that’s me. I mean #6. I am also wondering why he/she thinks transgender means someone undergoing or has undergone medical transition. I don’t think it’s usually defined that way, I think it’s more internal. Like how a gay person is gay even if they’re closeted or otherwise don’t act on it.

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Anonymous #2 5w

Man and woman were created for one another. Men have characteristics that are needed from women and women have characteristics that men need. That’s the way god created us

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Anonymous #8 5w

You were clear. They’re just burdened by a ton of ignorance. Some of it wilfully held from the looks of it.

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Anonymous #9 5w

Nope. Humans evolved but are not in two little categories and are far more complex than that.

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Anonymous #6 5w

Can I DM you? I think it would be easier and neater to explain, especially the medicine and biology parts. A lot of people get those wrong, even myself when I was younger, so I don’t fault you for misunderstanding.

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Anonymous #9 5w

Humans evolved they were not created, this is backed by scientific evidence. It’s cool if you want to believe a different origin story of how animals came to be but you can’t assume everyone else is a Christian

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Anonymous #6 5w

https://youtu.be/nVQplt7Chos?si=orA0f1psYpfiNr6D You’d learn a lot by listening to actual biologists.

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Anonymous #8 5w

I believe transgender is undergoing medical transition because that is what the word means trans - to change -gender is gender. Being gay is apart of their personality they are attracted to same sex. -internal thoughts are part of your personality not your gender gender is xx and xy

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Anonymous #6 5w

Gender and sex are not the same and neither are binary nor immutable. Sexuality is complicated as well, and not every Trans person is gay- many are straight. Gender is distinct from chromosomes, which are also complicated and not the only aspect that goes into determining someone’s sex.

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Anonymous #12 5w

Man and woman. No need to complicate it

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Anonymous #2 5w

Fairy tale

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Anonymous #9 5w

Nope. The only complication relating to this aspect of people is in trying to force them to fit into two little boxes that just don’t work.

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Anonymous #2 5w

It does work. Worked for hundreds and hundreds of years

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Anonymous #9 5w

Yes, we know you believe in fairytales. You’re too old for that.

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Anonymous #9 5w

Nope.

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Anonymous #8 5w

Shoot

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Anonymous #6 5w

Breaking words into etymological roots is not always a trustworthy way to understand their meaning, devoid of context. For example, the term “quarantine” originally refers to 40 days, but came to mean sectioning off people due to illness for any length of time. Another example is how lesbian originally (and can still) referred to those from the island of Lesbos, Greece.

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Anonymous #2 5w

So what is a man and what is a woman

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Anonymous #8 5w

I know you said transgender is internal but what exactly does that mean then

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Anonymous #8 5w

Besides the distinction of gender and sex that’s already been accepted into the majority of scientific and academic fields, the definition of transgender has been expanded since the word was first coined. So the people it refers to today may not have “qualified” 60 years ago.

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Anonymous #6 5w

I would define someone who is transgender much like the APA has in 2018, which is a “an umbrella term encompassing those whose gender identities or gender roles differ from those typically associated with the sex they were assigned at birth”, where gender identity is defined as “an internal sense of being male, female or something else, which may or may not correspond to an individual's sex assigned at birth or sex characteristics”.

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Anonymous #8 5w

Also, unfortunately I can’t DM you for some reason — the option doesn’t appear in my menu — so I’ll make a new post.

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Anonymous #8 5w

Should have dmed you there if you got it

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Anonymous #6 5w

Received!! Thank you!

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Anonymous #6 5w

you actually couldn't go one comment without telling us you fuck girls lol

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Anonymous #13 5w

Aye big dawg I’m talking to one of the only feasible people of your kind #8 pipe down. Read the question of the thread

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Anonymous #6 5w

I'm a straight guy. my point is that you went out of your way to hate on "making everyone know your [sic] gay" when it's invisible to you that you did the same exact thing in your comment.

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Anonymous #13 5w

Also every comment I have asked for more information from you guys has gotten disliked which makes no sense if you actually care to explain yourselves

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Anonymous #6 5w

#11 and #8 are doing their best to educate. i only replied because it was funny to me that you perfectly demonstrated heteronormativity in one post. you're getting downvoted because you're saying shit like "but the bible says it's wrong".

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Anonymous #13 5w

I have 4 downvotes on a post asking to elaborate and another 3 downvotes on a post telling someone I replied. The bible one is self explanatory why it gets hate

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Anonymous #13 5w

My comment is saying how it is weird to do that shit I would also find it weird if someone came up to me saying they are straight

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Anonymous #6 5w

if you really don't see the irony that just makes it funnier. your other comments are getting downvoted because you have identified yourself as one of several Dumb Guys™ in this thread so every time people see #6 they just hit the down arrow

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Anonymous #5 5w

Gays standards are insanely high. Take it as a compliment

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Anonymous #2 5w

same sex unifications archaeologically date back to the before christ era, it’s been around longer than the bible you’re quoting so… you’re wrong.

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Anonymous #9 5w

okay i'll bite. what things do men have that women need & vice versa?

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Anonymous #6 5w

what about xxy or single x people?

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Anonymous #13 5w

The fact that having a differing opinion from the gays means you are dumb is part of the reason we are homophobic. We simply say we don’t agree. Y’all just call us dumb instead of having an argument

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Anonymous #6 5w

If you don’t remember the thread you people are asking for our opinions

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Anonymous #6 5w

There’s no “argument”, it’s just ignorance on your end.

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Anonymous #2 5w

My boy quite litterally everything you have said is stupid you claim you’ve never said anything out of anger to your parents. Every instance you brought up of trans was fact checked and false. You claim children do know best. ( children make stupid decisions all the time ) yes they know what they want they do not know best though.

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Anonymous #2 5w

Me and #8 had a great conversation because we are both willing to listen to the other side

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Anonymous #6 5w

You can pretend you know better than every major medical association, than archaeologists, than sociologists, than psychologists, or Trans people themselves, but you don’t. Nothing was “fact checked” except your ignorance. You’ve learned nothing and that’s an issue you need to work on. Do and BE better.

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Anonymous #6 5w

Time to pick up a book and listen to people who actually know what they’re talking about. You still think “trans” is a plural noun, so you haven’t even scratched the surface of what you don’t know.

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Anonymous #6 5w

now to be clear, while I do think your opinions are dumb as well, I was calling you dumb for not knowing how to spell or use words.

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