Anonymous #1 8w

Plus a lot of the narratives around Israel line up very closely with the “theories” That people peddle about Jews.

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Anonymous #1 8w

Israel actually does not claim to be an ethnostate and, per them, Christians and Muslims are key members in their gov and citizenship. So the shoe doesn’t really fit.

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Anonymous #1 8w

Also, objectively and respectfully. Israel has been formally accused of war crimes by the top 9% of moral actors. So they are not immune from criticism of their actions

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Anonymous #2 8w

I’m coming to terms with the fact that the US may not be the most influential country in the world. Maybe that’s Israel 🤷

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Anonymous OP 8w

No they absolutely are not. But to call them “evil.” And Claim that their “reputation precedes itself.” Simply wrong. And you’re right, they aren’t an ethnostate, but that’s how a lot of people view them and treat them. Thus a lot of the criticism leveled towards them is because of their perceived ethnicity.

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Anonymous OP 8w

There are far more indiscriminate conflicts in the world and have been years. Yet most people can’t point to them on a map or even spell Nagorno-Karabakh. Yet there is so much attention paid to this particular conflict, and in a very particular way. A way which closely parallels standard antisemitic conspiracy theories, and just happens to be directed at the only state that’s perceived as Jewish? The shoe fits.

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Anonymous OP 8w

They are definitely influential but America is king still

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Anonymous OP 8w

Op “is it possible it’s not antisemitism and they’re just evil?” #2. Says something antisemitic. Op “sounds right!”

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Anonymous #1 8w

Dude we all have eyes. We all just lived through what could’ve been the beginning of ww3. We all saw just this week isreal bomb the only church in Palestine. We all see them snipping, bombing, and shooting humans in a humanitarian aid line. Which even the UN said it’s inhumane. My point in asking this question is why is it painted as logical fallacy that Israel is capable of evil acts?

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Anonymous #1 8w

It’s not even a religious thing for me. Israel is a county! But even still, if Muslims can be terrorists and Christian’s can be the butt of the joke. Why can Jews be capable of what every other human is capable of? Why the special class protections when accountability is needed?

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Anonymous #1 8w

It literally seems that a tiny country in the Middle East has the western would over a barrel. I mean that genuinely.

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Anonymous #3 8w

So if anything other Jews need to call these other people out.

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Anonymous OP 8w

There are MANY who do! From Holocaust survivors to just overall decent people. Many of the more religious Jews, especially, oppose the colony and its actions.

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Anonymous #3 8w

JVP is a great resource to keep up with the Jewish anti-zionist movement. :)

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Anonymous OP 8w

You say it’s not about religion… then immediately agree with someone who said the Jews control the world. You say it’s about objective assessment, then repeat uncritical Hamas propaganda. You’re absolutely free to criticize Israel, but other people are also free to critique your views based on the facts and objective analysis.

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Anonymous OP 8w

Israel can absolutely be criticized for some of their actions. But to act like they are not prosecuting this war in a restrained and humane manner is disingenuous. The issue is not criticism per se, it’s criticism that’s based on obviously false and bad faith arguments.

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Anonymous OP 8w

To put it in perspective, it’s like criticizing the Allies during WW2. Yes you can do it, but if you start parroting a bunch of Axis propaganda and for example saying Churchill was the main villain, you’re going to be criticized heavily. Not for criticizing the Allies but for being objectively wrong in your criticism. Acting like you’re being attacked just for criticizing the allies in that situation is obviously incoherent.

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Anonymous #1 8w

When you are war crime central just because you think you own a land you never really did yeah you deserve a bad reputation. Not to mention the talmud. You dont wanna include that? The torah still says gentiles will be slaves too. Lobbying American policies with AIPAC and ADL, owning the porn industry, even spitting on the ground when a cross is near. At least muslims believe Jesus was a prophet rather than boiling in shit in hell

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Anonymous OP 8w

Once again, you’re completely wrong. Israel has some influence as a close ally and friend of the United States. But to say they have the western world over barrel… no. That perception is created because I imagine you think there isn’t any support for them within the west, and our government is just acting against the will of the people. That’s not true (that perception is largely created by foreign disinformation operations.)

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Anonymous #4 8w

See OP, this is a perfect example. Every single point of #4s argument is not only wrong, it’s predicated on the idea that Israel is Jewish. Jews are the ones who believe that God gave them the land. Jews are the ones who study the Talmud. (Not to mention that’s a misunderstanding of the nature of the Talmud.). Jews believe in the Torah. Apparently Jews own the pornography industry. Who are they claiming spit on the ground? Certainly not the Christians who live in Israel.

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Anonymous #1 8w

Why do people act like criticism of Israel is antisemitism? Because most criticism of Israel is antisemitism. As I said, the shoe fits.

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Anonymous #3 8w

Hey

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Anonymous OP 7w

I think if anything, Palestine, has this tiny country over a barrel. With how easy it has been to be antisemstic the past couple years to the point that here needs to be ads on tv about stopping antisemitism.

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Anonymous #1 7w

#1 I looked into the Talmud and porn industry. It’s factually to say that the overwhelming majority of commercial porn is produced, distributed, platformed, talent managed, and in some cases, banked by companies founded by, or extensive leadership made up of, Jewish people. And the Talmud is followed by Jews, and is the basis for Jewish law - which is concerning given how extream some of what I read was.

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Anonymous #5 7w

#3 you are the real MVP of this thread!! Its great to be reminded that no race or religion of people are a monolith!

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Anonymous OP 7w

Yeah… but you said earlier that you’re criticizing Israel not Jews. All of what #4 just said is a criticism of Jews masked as a criticism of Israel. You said yourself that Israel is not an ethnostate, thus criticizing Jewish involvement in the porn industry has more to do with the price of tea in China than it does with Israel. And from what I can tell the “Jews control the porn!” Argument is largely a conspiracy theory anyway.

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Anonymous #1 7w

I'm just saying that I looked into it and it has merit. The Talmud being used in Jewish law and a basis for Israeli law is troubling. Its clear that text is being used as a moral guide for Israel to justifies its actions.

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