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Prayers for Charlie Kirk and for his family, this has nothing to do with politics or my/anyone else’s political alignment, it’s a human life in critical condition."I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe." - Charlie Kirk 2023
I do not agree with him and as much of a leftist I am, but nobody deserves death because of their political views. He is as much of a person stuck in the system as much as I am, it’s our job to work towards a better society to provide empathy and better each others lives. He isn’t the villain, he’s only a cog that’s stuck in his ways, the villains are the leaders of our society that push us into these situations and the 1% who pay and coerce these leaders behind our backs as the American people.
The thing is though, as much as I’d like to feel terrible and pray for him and all, it really has everything to do with politics and you can’t disentangle that because of the amount of people he’s helped to kill through his own actions. People who die because of people like him are human lives too
I’m seeing a lot of, “ He said, He said, he said, he said🤓” You should not be murdered for what you say. This is America. More than half of you have said worse things in your life online anonymously and with friends. It’s our right to be able to say whatever we want. No one should be killed for it. Anyone posting a quote as justification for murder is so lost that words cannot even be used to describe how depraved and sad you are inside.
Why do yall GAF when ppl who actively brought negativity into this world die ?.. cause if he was alive and did / said another terrible thing yall would want him and jail and make death jokes like how yall do trump . All this fake giving a fuck about bad ppl to have some sort of moral high ground is such bullshit .
Let’s all not forget that he voluntarily stated he’d make his UNDERAGE daughter carry a rape baby to term even if it traumatized her, called for violence against trans peoples, thought the civil rights act was a ‘huge mistake’, also that executions should be televised for kids to see saying “it’s an initiation”, And finally to top it off stated That “gun deaths are ‘unfortunate’ but completely worth it to keep the 2nd amendment.” Aka bad person got what was coming for him, Pure karma.
All you people need to just put your heads down it’s not over the damn left or right and you all needs to get all your heads out of your asses and just say a prayer because at the end of the day who all put us on earth god do really understand that he’s a human and he shouldn’t have been killed. Nobody should be harmed.
I don’t get how people expect full civility in this nation anymore. The right elected a 34 count felon and child predator shady con artist. It’s really hard to have respect for them and only now after the Epstein files?? Are they waking up. Like I have RIGHT WING FATIGUE tired of the buffoonery and blatant willful ignorance to everything that doesn’t make you feel better about being white or whatever their fucking problem is. So yea it’s hard to be civil, but civility is strength. Remain civil
Just because he said something that you didn’t like or what not doesn’t mean hate the man at the end of the day you have to realize he’s a loving father who showed us the fact that he had a family and got to that point in his life so remember he’s a parent and if one of your parents were shot dead in front of you your hearts would shatter
People are making it about politics because he’s a political figure that talks about gun control. And has some opinionated views about gun control that many people disagree with. The way he was injured caught peoples attention. I don’t know why he got shot, but I have feeling it’s because of politics.
literally , like everytime someone uses this argument, it makes me realize just how ignorant and witless they are. why is it that no matter how many people die, even children in schools, it’s “ well i care more about keeping my gun.” and plus charlie himself said “Charlie Kirk Says Gun Deaths 'Unfortunately'Worth it to Keep 2nd Amendment.” so i guess what goes around comes back around.
i’m aso glad someone here has common sense. every other nation that has banned guns or has enacted stricter gun laws has better safety measures bc it has created a baseline. it may not be perfect but it’s sure as hell better. but somehow , right, america just can’t do anything about it 🤦♀️
Do you think getting a gun would be EASIER with more regulations?! That there are illegal arms dealers on every street corner? Yes, there would be more dealers around if gun restrictions got tighter, but that would also make them easier to catch! The market for illegal guns is small, that’s why some always slip through the cracks. Restricting the public’s access to guns wouldn’t suddenly make the creep at the local park open his trenchcoat filled with AKs to sell to kids.
When we’ve funded it and essentially brought Israel to the point of being able to do this, yes it’s our problem. That’s like how Europe just backed out of Africa with their hands up saying “good luck I’m sorry” like bro you can’t just say it isn’t our problem when it literally is 🤣
but you still run into the problem that guns will be smuggled in. Also, criminals that are doing shootings to begin with typically don’t follow the law to start. So now what when someone has a gun and is shooting people and nobody has the ability to defend themselves and have to just wait minutes for the police to show up.
it's misplaced empathy, and there was a shooting that happened around the same time at a Colorado high school, yet people pour their energy into caring about the wrong things. they are more concerned about someone who spewed so much hatred and ignorance who ACTIVELY showed he did not care about others, and now he gets the same treatment but that's a problem somehow? what goes around comes back around. his own ideologies put himself in danger, and now he has suffered the cost.
“I think it's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights" - Charlie Kirk, 2023 he didn’t care about the previous people killed from gun violence so why should we care about him
I wouldn’t wish death or celebrate death upon my worst enemies. Just because you disagree or hate someone doesn’t mean you should wish death upon them or celebrate their death. If you think that justifies it then you should look in a mirror. Obvs you don’t need to mourn or pray. He already passed away unfortunately.
I’m a democrat, and even I will admit that jokes about this are really fucked up. The guy has little kids and a wife. He had a life himself, and although he didn’t live it the way a decent person would, he didn’t deserve to be killed, especially that way. There are better, smarter ways to handle our political opposition.
Nobody cares that he had a wife and kids when he didn’t care that a genocide was happening to other ppl wife a wife and kids … he also advocated against women’s reproductive rights .. does he even care about women and kids or is that the only talkin point yall can use to prove he had “love” in his heart 😂😂😂
i think you're severely misunderstanding the situation, no one wished this would happen to him, or cheering in the streets that he died. his position came with these risks and he knew that, anyone in a political position is. no one should have died, but after the fact you cannot expect empathy from everyone especially when he showed none for people who had died from gun violence while he was alive.
So with that being said, what makes it right then to single out one thing as the “root of all evil?” You mention. Flawed thinking and to think this is on one singular cause is just that flawed thinking. The human effect, the social influences, political influences, there are multiple factors that causes things like this. How about mental health? You think people act and think the same way they did 50 years ago? Cultural effects have changed. Disregard for human life. Loss of value for life..
i agree one should be able to speak their mind freely and safely! But there is a difference between speaking your mind and being a political figure actively trying to force people into your delusion. Example of free speech: “i think women shouldn’t be educated, so I will marry a woman with similar values” ✅ cool, do whatever you want What charlie kirk is doing: “i think women shouldn’t be educated, so I will actively go around and try to force women into following this” ❌ ERR BAD
Yes, you and all of us literally can. Expand your knowledge before stating dramatically inaccurate and discriminatory things. Yes it was discriminatory for you to say that because it is clear you are talking to/about christians - you would say NOTHING about ANY other religion in the existence of the world but the fact that it is christians you are targeting makes you deem it "acceptable" and worthwhile to talk down to us, which is very obviously only temporarily an option to do so for you ;)
Gun control isn’t the issue, it’s the mental health and zero tolerance bullying that teachers are not equipped nor care to follow through. Did the war on drugs help drug control? When you have mentally ill freaks who promote violence just because you don’t delude in their fantasy decide you don’t deserve to live for having an opinion, what then?
Other nations with gun control just suppress the amount of violence they have. There’s a large number of stabbing, shooting, etc even with the regulation because people committing the crimes are not going to follow the law to commit that crime. Keep in mind that we only see on our media what those other countries want us to see
I think you’re misunderstanding, this man literally said he’d force his 10 year old daughter to carry her rapists child and wouldn’t care, he said that mass shootings are necessary every once in a while in response to 3 children and 3 adults being murdered, I have sympathy for his family and the witnesses to his brutal murder but I can’t have much sympathy for karma being disturbingly accurate
So do other countries with strict gun control have this problem? 🤨 Australia has a rate of 12x less gun deaths, with the majority being suicides. “If we made cocaine illegal, people are still going to get it illegally.” Like 😐 yes, in part, but it’s going to be way less than if cocaine was legal. This is common sense
Listen, unfortunately gun access is part of american bill of rights, and outside of basic reform, nothing is gonna happen to it- the only thing advocating for stricter gun control has done in recent times is make a shit load of money for gun and ammo companies cuz after school shooting and fear mongering abt stricter gun control makes people go buy guns and ammo in droves.
Pulling guns off the street is never a bad thing. Every time they do gun cleanups gun deaths go down. A lot of firearms are owned by a relatively small population, where individuals own many weapons. Will this cost tax dollars? Yes. Is this a good way to spend tax dollars to prevent deaths? Of course.
Right. So a prudent deal is one that carries some sacrifice. It doesn’t make it not tragic. It doesn’t mean those are necessary. It’s an unfortunate trade off of a free society. As for his daughter, she just lost her father. I think the last thing she gives an absolute fuck about was his stance on abortion.
It’s literally the Golden Rule. He treated us worse than we’re treating him now. Where was his respect when treat victims were murdered? Where was his respect when the Hoffmans and Hortmans families were shot at in their homes? The rights hypocrisy is vile when it comes to how they treat gun violence, the moment we treat him the same way he treated us you all go crazy acting like it was undeserved lol
No. He really didn’t. He had a moral distinction between horrific murders and gun control. You’re mixing the two. I’m not on the right or the left, but I have seen so much hatred from people that think like you (I.e. name calling the opposition and mischaracterizing their arguments to justify that shitty behavior). The far right does it. The mid (not moderates) left — on does it.
He literally made fun of shooting victims countless times and said things along the lines of “empathy is a new age harmful term”. He was absolutely not a good man and doesn’t deserve empathy when he claimed it was his enemy. Not while the fascism he supported us still encroaching
yes and there's no denying violence is still prevalent which is why i stated it's not perfect but it's still better. realistically, what happens, a mass shooting or mass stabbing? which one occurs more? there’s a clear distinction. "Globally, the U.S. ranks at the 93rd percentile for overall firearm mortality, 92nd percentile for children and teens, and 96th percentile for women." "The U.S. homicide rate was 10.5-7.9 per 100,000 population compared to Europe's less than 2 per 100,000.”
I am. Fuck him. Hes barbaqueing with hitler. He was a far right nazi extremist who defended gun ownership because he wanted proud boys to lynch and terrorize liberals and black people and wanted to strip rights away from all non white non male people. You don’t get to parade around on that platform and funnel millions of dollars into those organizations. He was a terrorist and got shot because we dont negotiate with terrorists.
I’m genuinely interested to hear why you think he was evil? Please explain. As someone who’s not political, never followed him, didn’t vote, I personally never saw any video of him that I would call evil. I’ve seen a lot of people saying that he spread hate, I never saw any of that. He literally debated people and welcomed the opposing side to say whatever they wanted back to him. I don’t understand why everyone feels attacked by him when they were given the same opportunity to speak
He was a huge anti abortion voice, regardless of how you feel abortions are a medical procedure and without access to said procedure infant and maternal fatality rates increase drastically. He said if his daughter was raped he’d force her to carry it to term. He said that children dying in schools were “necessary deaths to keep the second amendment”. He said empathy is a bad thing. And that’s not even mentioning his litany of racist comments or rhetoric that he used his platform to spread.
From an objective point of view without politics or biases involved, how is that evil? It’s his opinion. I know for a fact, people like him think abortions are evil. They see it as ending another human beings life without their consent. So in that case, what he said wouldn’t be evil. Nothing you mentioned can be definitely described as evil without bias. He never did anything to actual hurt a human being. His murderer definitely did though.
Which is what a lot of people see. Charlie kirk made a fortune filling the internet with insane far right dogwhistles and sucking teen boys down the far right pipeline while saying its ok to bully women and gay and non white people under the guise of “owning the libs lmao” and used his wealth to lobby for policy which has directly caused the deaths of uncountably many people. When he didn’t do that, he hung out with actual real life neonazis and pedophile theocrats and promoted their orgs.
Places with strictest gun control laws have the highest amount of gun crime. Criminals don’t follow the law, so making more only declaws law-abiding citizens, making it easier for criminals to do terrible things. You guys are falling for the propaganda so hard, this is how we get a true authoritarian state.
Yeahhhh, but giving your dna to children doesn’t make you a saint. Look at the president. And his kids would rejoice his death because they could leave the public eye and stab each other over whatever inheritance is left after grifting the nation. Further, to the point of Kirk, he openly admitted that he would force his 10yo daughter to give birth to a rapists baby. Idc if he’s a legal parent, that is NOT a father worthy of respect.
They also have one of the highest population densities. Further, they are historically the center of trade in the nation. Drugs, guns, everything illegal ends up there because it’s the FUCKING HUB BRO. Has nothing to do with laws and everything to do with the highway system built by the feds. Has to do with geography. Traffickers of every denomination make a stop in Chicago. That’s why. The rest is income inequality.
Those shootings are also usually between gangs. One gang kills one member one weekend. The next weekend is retaliation. WoAHoAHOh LoOk aT ALL tHeSE MuRDErs. Yeah well the dude who just died killed someone last week. When it’s murderers killing each other, what’s the worry? Why use that as an excuse against gun control? Sucks when bystanders get shot, is that good enough a reason for you? What about kids in schools? That ALSO happens every week.
i’m sorry but watching you crash out is so real 💀 honestly i’m over it and tired after i keep hearing the same rhetoric over and over. i lost hope after i was going at it with these other people in a different post and it’s insane how self assured they are with such performative, backwards views.
Guns will always be accessible. Make them illegal or “harder to get” and ppl will still find a way to get them and use them. It’s the same way with drugs. They are mostly illegal but ppl still have them, sell them, and use them. Evil people will always find ways to do evil things.
Saddam also literally was a dictator that mass executed people… I don’t think you can compare this to someone who was just speaking and sharing their opinion… Kirk wasn’t even formally involved in politics… words don’t equal violence and your comparison is ill-informed and weak. I’m afraid this is common sense.