Anonymous #1 7w

Ong

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Anonymous #2 7w

So what do they believe happens to nonbelievers? Also what is a Calvinist

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Anonymous #3 7w

what do you believe happens to nonbelievers?

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Anonymous OP 7w

they just continue about their life as they wish

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Anonymous #3 7w

In death

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Anonymous OP 7w

well, i wouldn’t say their life is “in death”

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Anonymous #3 7w

Oh my lordy lord brother 😅, obviously you believe they live their life ad they do, what do you believe happens to them after death

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Anonymous OP 7w

the people who love them will miss them

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Anonymous #3 7w

Brother in christ, I hope you have an amazing night or day based on your timezone, as you are clearly just trying to get a rise out of people and I just wanted to have understanding of your thought process

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Anonymous #3 7w

Or sister*

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Anonymous OP 7w

not my intentions, sorry for the frustration :)

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Anonymous #3 7w

You’re okay, if those are truly not your intentions then we can try and continue. What do you believe happens to an atheist after death? Not the people still living, the atheist themselves

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Anonymous OP 7w

no idea

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Anonymous #3 7w

I mean you have belief of the afterlife right? Or does it end at you rejoicing in heaven with the lord and you know nothing of evryone else?

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Anonymous OP 7w

i do believe something happens after, yes

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Anonymous #3 7w

And what would that be?

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Anonymous OP 7w

no idea

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Anonymous #3 7w

Alright so how exactly are you a Christian?

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Anonymous OP 7w

i’m a believer and follow of the Trinity

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Anonymous #3 7w

So you believe in the father, son, and the holy ghost, im assuming the creationist and such, but you also have no clue as to the afterlife. Im not trying to be smart, i really just like understanding peoples belief

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Anonymous OP 7w

i do follow those three, and believe in them, but i do not labor under the delusion that i know anything, or can predict anything, that i have not seen or experienced. the debacle of an afterlife is not why i believe, and is not very important to my faith at all

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Anonymous #3 7w

So would you agree you are more Christianicly Agnostic than Christian? (Which is just a fancy way of saying I believe this stuff, but i also have 0 way of knowing jack diddly)

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Anonymous #3 7w

Its also very refreshing to hear belief not being of ones own self interest or emotional support

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Anonymous OP 7w

i wouldn’t call myself agnostic. just christian. my faith is about faith, not knowledge

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Anonymous #3 7w

Alrighty, i appreciate your time and patience, and I thank you for taking time to share your belief with me

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Anonymous OP 7w

you’re welcome friend! have a good night

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Anonymous OP 7w

You should give it a Goog. There’s too much to put on Yak. Basically, Calvin was the theologian who sharpened the doctrine of predestination into focus for Protestant Christians who take his view.

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Anonymous OP 7w

One of the more depressing christian branches. Basically, nothing means anything. You’re either screwed or better than everyone else but you don’t know which, cant do anything to “earn” better, etc.

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Anonymous #4 7w

So basically wether you follow christ or not there is no guarantee of heaven or hell, and God has his select few and fuck everyone else? Yeah i get it not being a choice for them, cuz why the fuck would you choose to believe that

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Anonymous #4 7w

This comment represents a total misunderstanding of Calvin. First: God means everything. Calvin understood God the Father to be totally sovereign in all affairs. He means everything, quite the contrary to nothing means anything. You are screwed by default, and when God elects you to salvation, He does so because of His mercy, not because it’s something you can earn. But so important, crucially even, you are never better than anyone else. It’s God who is better than all of us.

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Anonymous #4 7w

Responses like this are why we can’t have an actual dialogue of trying to understand eachother

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Anonymous #2 7w

That’s just disgustingly miserable. I hope you leave the cult and find healing.

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Anonymous OP 7w

Absolutely not. God elects you to His mercy because you cannot, on your own, make the choice to do something righteous, which is to follow Christ. Some Calvinists believe that God sends his Grace to everyone, others believe that there are fewer elect to his Grace, which you have to accept. So there is a guarantee to Heaven if you’re elect, but only God and the elect person (by their faith) can know.

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Anonymous #2 7w

Yeah, no, that’s miserable. Seriously one of the most depressing things I’ve ever heard, and I was raised catholic.

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Belief in adulthood is 100% a choice (belief in childhood is a result of deception) and is largely determined by locale of upbringing— and christianity is not true. Neither is islam, or Buddhism, or Shinto, or any of it.

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Anonymous #2 7w

But they dont know, even by their belief system they dont know, like a Catholic believes so they know based on their belief, but this person doesnt because they dont know anything about God’s plan so they know nothing of who he chose to elect, unless of course they believe he offered it to everyone and they must accept it (which just sounds like any other branch of Christianity)

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Anonymous OP 7w

Not exactly? It’s more of a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you have faith, then you must be elect because otherwise you wouldnt have faith. But it’s impossible to say it any given person is saved based on their works and stuff.

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Anonymous #2 7w

Because no matter what you do, it doesn’t matter. Nothing changes for y’all. That’s just sad.

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Anonymous #4 7w

Prove it? You can’t, sure because I can just say “oh God changed this”, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t true. We are so insanly tiny that to say you know for certain anything about death or the universe’s creation makes you ignorant, wether your a creationist or not

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Anonymous #4 7w

Raised Presbyterian/Anglican. What’s depressing is that Catholics believe the Saints’ prayers are more effective than other folks’.

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Anonymous #2 7w

It’s all just nonsense

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Anonymous #2 7w

Oh okay, so you have the faith because you were elected and those that don’t are just fucked for being born? (Not being smart I genuinely want to understand)

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Anonymous OP 7w

christianity’s bullshit claims have been debunked and disproven time and time again. We know the stories were copied from older myths, the timelines are all screwed, contradictions abound, the flood and survival was an impossibility (also taken from an older myth), the list goes on.

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Anonymous OP 7w

Yeah kinda? There are, truthfully, not many five point Calvinists left. Most people raised in this tradition are taught three point calvinism, which leaves out limited atonement irresistible grace. They believe essentially that God elects everyone but some people ignore His call to election.

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Anonymous #2 7w

So they still believe it to be an active choice then? The three point calvinists i mean

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Anonymous #4 7w

Metaphors are possible

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Anonymous OP 7w

And in no universe do they excuse the push for genocide and slavery. Also, y’all constantly pick and choose what is and isn’t literal all the time. If it were divine, there wouldn’t be tens of thousands of christian cults and infinite ways to cherry pick the bullshit. Sorry, but you were conned and groomed into a death cult.

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Anonymous #4 7w

The impossibility of the flood story is its point. The Bible is a work of literature. God says in John 1 that in the beginning God was the Word. That’s part of Christianity’s beauty and mystery.

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Anonymous #4 7w

A: Im agnostic just with a belief there is a being beyond B: the claim god is all good is made by people not the bible C:the bible is not divine as it was written by people so there is almost certainly changes to fit their own narrative D:who said there was excuse for genocide and slavery? “If there is still a God they must beg me for forgiveness”-A Holocaust Survivor

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Anonymous #2 7w

The same john that contradicted himself and others numerous times?

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Anonymous OP 7w

The bible, therefore the fictitious “god”, commands slavery and genocide numerous times. Not a single verse speaks against slavery. Not one.

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Anonymous #4 7w

Again the claim he is all good is made by man not the bible 🤷‍♂️, not saying he deserves praise just saying we are too small to know for 100% certainty

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Anonymous OP 7w

No, we definitely know the bible is full of shit.

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Anonymous OP 7w

Job moment. Will the faultfinder contend…?

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Anonymous #2 7w

?

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Anonymous OP 7w

From the Book of Job in the Bible. Basically your comment is the point of the entire Book: “We are too small to know…”

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Anonymous #2 7w

OH, yeah i dont think anyone who sees that comment will read it as Job until they see this comment. I read job

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Anonymous OP 7w

That occurred to me after I wrote the comment lmao. Yak rlly should let you edit your comments.

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Anonymous #2 7w

Lol yeah

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Anonymous OP 7w

An active choice on God’s part. They still think God initiates the process that leads to salvation.

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Anonymous #2 7w

And yet you can be one of the greatest people in the world and still not get picked. Somehow that’s almost as bad as thinking hitler made it into paradise.

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Anonymous #2 7w

Oof, so then what do they believe happens to nonbelievers, like do they think you just actively denied God, or God just never initiated their process

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Anonymous OP 7w

It’s the former because of the latter as I understand it. God doesnt have to do anything for someone to go to Hell; they do by default, and they will, due to their total depravity, actively deny God. On the contrary, and at the same time, He does have to extend His Grace to you to save you.

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Anonymous #2 7w

It really baffles me how being kept as a pet doesn’t bother you.

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Anonymous #2 7w

Yeah im glad we agree belief is not a choice because no offense choosing to believe this would be bafflingly mentally unhealthy

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Anonymous OP 7w

I think Calvinist predestination is the most logical soteriology (system of salvation) in Christianity. I reckon that a lot of things about literature, religion, etc, are mentally draining to think about. Maybe that’s evidence of their importance, or if not their importance, their complexity and depth. I think theology is cool. It finds its way into my major’s content (English) tons, especially in certain time periods, so you’ve got to know it to make sense of other literary metaphors.

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Anonymous #2 7w

Which is to say, far be it for me to assume that Calvin was right. Here, Ive tried to present his thoughts fairly so you can see what people believe (or in this case, largely, believed). Im not sure if I agree totally with Calvin; there are some Bible verses that contradict verbatim his doctrine of limited atonement, at least on the surface.

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Anonymous #2 7w

Predestined saving does make the most sense, its just jot a system i would ever choose to support unless you are saved regardless of your own belief. Though I thank you greatly for your time and effort

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Anonymous OP 7w

You are welcome! Calvin’s metaphor that only some people can see the Secret comes up tons in literature, so that’s why I know all this stuff lmao

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