Just because you think their political views don’t affect you directly (they do, in fact) isn’t a good enough reason to be that person’s friend imo. I certainly cut those people off in my life and I’d do it 100 times over. It’s not extremist to not be friends with people who want entire other groups of people to stop existing for something they can’t change.
NTA, just a white man probably who wasn’t gonna lose anything in the first place, probably. I can’t be friends with anyone who voted to harm others. I can’t be friends with anyone who voted against my entire existence. The dead woman in GA who was used as an incubator and then taken off life support when the baby was born (with extreme issues , because his mother was dead) — do you think that family has friends who voted for Trump? do you think they keep people around who voted for that?
Nta. I also have family friends who voted against Harris. To be fair I felt betrayed and still do. Especially having to fear what will happen. But I know one of them regrets what they did and acknowledge it. If he had a choice I know he would vote differently now. And him acknowledging it is what makes it better for me.
If they voted for trump and stand behind that decision still… yeah yta a little bit. The only real trump supporters I’m in contact with are my family and I love them but I don’t like them as people. I can be friends with non maga republicans and many other opposing beliefs, but trump supporters specifically I can’t be friends with. Morals and values are just so extremely different and it actively harms me.
you are the company you keep. remember that. the trump party is filled with literal nazis and your friends voted for them. to me this is a “i feel guilty and need reassurance” post where you want people to say “youre nta” but you are. youre an asshole. not saying you HAVE to cut off your friends but you are the company you keep.
The political scene has changed so much in the last 8 years. It used to be normal to be friends with people of different political views because the most extreme conservative view was just lowering taxes on the rich and maybe cutting some programs that help people to make themselves wealthier. Now, the party is extreme. We have built 2 concentration camps, millions of people are going without medicaid and even more are going hungry. The conservatives have just given the secret, faceless police
when you support a racist bigot it’s not about politics it’s about morals. and i’m human enough i cannot be friends with anyone who voted for somebody that hates me and other minorities. or somebody filled with hate for anybody. that’s a huge reason to cut them off. and i don’t get why people don’t see that.
and OP — if you are truly okay with being friends with people who directly voted for these policies that are going to kill people (people are going to die as a direct result of this presidency, at home and abroad. there is no way to fucking sugar coat that) then you absolutely do not stand for your so called “beliefs”
I agree. Sorry in advance for the notifications. This will be a multi-part comment. I know this will get downvoted, but it seems obvious to me, given the provided choice. Do I want to increase the chances of fueling an endless tug-of-war against the moral opposition and continue spiraling into division? Or do I want to increase the chances of influencing the minds of people and, by extension, influencing policy to achieve progress?
Most of the time opposing parties agree on human rights issues. But there are often times when we as society can’t agree on what should be a human right, and if you are able to understand that — then you can try to convince them to change and agree with you rather than cutting them off allowing their ideas to perpetuate.
oh and this “population decline” is a direct result of women having access to contraceptives and being able to CHOOSE whether or not they have children, because many of us don’t want them or can’t afford them. having a choice over your life and body is a good thing. make childcare and life more affordable and maybe you’ll see people DESIRE to have children again. but it is indeed a good thing that unwanted children aren’t being born.
Obviously I give them a chance to explain and I then explain why it’s actively a harmful thing, but if it’s not a view they are willing to change after understanding the truth of how their actions and views harm people, I just can’t stand by them. I’m not looking to surround myself with people who value profit and greed over the well-being of others.
I would look in the mirror. Do you just regurgitate everything the propaganda machine tells you? Are your beliefs informed entirely by the leftist media or your own personal experiences? (Lefties and righties both suffer from this) the majority of people are just mindlessly hating the other side without truly understanding why. Just believing what the propaganda machine wants you too. You in fact may be the stupid one.
I was raised in a household with people on both sides of the political spectrum as well as half religious/half not. I was also born naturally very smart. This gravitated me to learn truths behind things. Therefore, I am atheist, and I am leftist. I have fully researched everything about the right. I've doubted myself, I've thought "maybe they have a point, maybe I'm the crazy one". Which cannot be said for trump supporters. They do not think that way.
I also had incredibly smart parents to which I inherited extreme amount of common sense, and my ability to question. Most of America is uneducated, not just academically but in total. Like completely lacking critical thinking skills. I am lucky in the ways that I am able to stay open minded, but at some point, the open mind closes. And it has. I do not, and will never support a trump lover. It's frankly concerning and weird. Those same people tend to correlate with low intelligence.
Just cutting off the other side instead of hearing them out and trying to find common ground is exactly how we ended up where we are today. You can’t run as a center-aisle politician cuz the media machine only profits from rage bait on both sides. But sure, I’m the problem not people who aren’t friends with ppl over who is president🤣🤣 like you have even noticed a difference in your day to day life
The DEI office in my work building has been removed and everyone has been fired. My 401k took a dramatic hit. My fucking housekeeper was detained for two weeks yet she is an American citizen. Everyone has decided to be both racist and homophobic OPENLY these days. Men joke about assaulting women more frequently online than ever. Inflation is causing my company to lose clients, which then lays off employees. Just to name a few things that are directly around me.
yes i actually HAVE noticed a difference! one of my closest friends is currently being detained by ice. idk if i’m ever gonna see her again. another friend of mine had to drive 15 hours to get an abortion. you’re an idiot if you think this country hasn’t changed since orange hitler took office.
statistically white women get more abortions in the US because they are able to access them more efficiently. black women may be more likely to live somewhere without access, or they can’t take off work, or they simply choose to not have abortions. if anything, an abortion ban is about wanting more white babies to be born.
If I truly care how my loved ones are affected, then results are my goal. Standing on moral principle for the inherent value of those morals, at the expense of achieving pragmatic ethical policy is harmful and empty. My loved ones are impacted by results and policy, not by allegiance to ideals. Barring immediate physical danger and other outliers, cutting off people who disagree with me, whether over morals or other differences, increases the risk of broader harm and undermines social progress.
Exclusion is a superficial position of moral purity that risks practical harm. Excluding people increases the risk of insulating them further into their beliefs and breeding resentment. It increases the risk of fostering fellowship among like-minded opponents, strengthening their cohesion, and pulling them further from positive influence. It promotes division on our side, and contributes to a vicious, self-perpetuating cycle of polarization conducive to gridlock and antithetical to progress.
Regardless of my morals, these factors will shape our society and world through cultural shifts, class consciousness, partisan divides, and the polarization of values. Ultimately, those factors, our society, and our world are shaped by us. And like it or not, “us” includes the people we disagree with, even on a vehement moral level. I’m actively hurting myself and those I love if I contribute to the us-vs-them mentality and class infighting promoted by people profiting from dividing our society.
I refuse to be complacent in moral outrage without offering solutions. I believe in trying to escape the gridlock and the endless cycle. I believe solidarity represents a practical chance to achieve consistent improvement. I refuse to dismiss cooperation with other human beings, who are being manipulated more than they are malicious. I reject the notion that I must compromise my values to show compassion to my opponents. And I refuse to abandon my compassion for anyone.
Yes of course everyone is entitled to who they want to be friends with… the person who posted this says they are receiving backlash for not ending the friendships. The point is if the people in the friendship are happy who gives a fuck what “backlash” you receive from other people…
And people always say “having rights” like it ends the arguments full stop. What rights specifically? Why? Someone could try to make an argument for the right to murder, property damage, etc., and that would be a right, but I think we can agree it’s a right we shouldn’t have. It’s such an avoid-all-intellectual-discussion argument.
You ask like politics is just some silly little word- if my friends genuinely believe that immigrants are paying taxes and receiving government services, I'm dropping them. For being stubborn and stupid. If my friends believe that abortions should be banned from mothers who will die without them, they are not my friend. If my friends really think that Christianity and Trumps policies to hand in hand, I'm going to let them scurry away to the cult their parents taught them to be in.
It depends what topics. I don’t agree with everything Trump believes, I don’t agree with everything Kamala believes. However, I aligned with Trump more (or at least the conservative mindset when it comes to the economy) Every major metropolitan city is a shithole for the most part and every single one is ran by liberal policies, so I just don’t think it would be good to have those same policies govern our country
Ok I’ve only read THIS ONE THING 42 said and I kinda agree. There’s things you can agree/disagree with on both sides but what matters to you changes over time. Rn they are more concerned with economic stuff and that’s ok. Based on this one thing bc I’m not reading the whole thread
Yeah I function under I can be friends with republicans and people with other beliefs, but not trumpies or people who believe that the existence of others is worth less than others or less deserving of rights, freedoms, or help. We can have different beliefs as long as we have the same base level morals.