
devil.may.care
I got called a misogynist today simply because I advocated for a young trans woman who wanted to play futbol. If she wants to play futbol with her girls team then I say let her play. It’s everyone’s game and everyone should be allowed to play. AITA?You clearly never played sports. There is a clear biological advantage that biological males have over females. Try going to a gym for once and look around at the average weights lifted by both genders. They aren’t the same. Height and appearance do not summarize the strength and speed that differs between genders.
The difference is I advocate for these people to seek proper mental care instead of making them believe something they are not. Would you tell a schizophrenic that the voices are real? Or someone who is suffering with anorexia that they are fat? Also, I advocate against anyone getting raped.
Yes but I wasn’t asking about “your” opinions, you made a point about what you see as nonsensical left wing ideology. I was making the same point about right wing ideology. And honestly fuck you, I’m assuming you’re cis? I am too but with a degree in psychology, and I find the ignorance on display an insult to people. You talk about proper mental care without having any understanding of what that looks like, so don’t use it as ammunition for your thoughtless arguments.
I don’t understand why these freaks convince mentally ill people that they are something they aren’t. Do you tell people with schizophrenia that the voices are real or someone anorexia to keep going because they are fat? Also, the person who pioneered sex and gender are different was a pedophile. I’m against both
This commonly held belief by transphobia proves my point! See other assholes like me say it too! Transmen can’t have advantages bc I actually view them as women and man strong woman weak woman no can play sport good! Tesosterone!!! 🐺😡💪 but that’s different than HRT! That’s why we are gonna refuse to allow transmen to compete on men’s teams and use a fucking high schooler named Mack Beggs in a political campaign misrepresenting him as a transwoman to further our own agenda!
It’s so silly 😭 like they forget nuance ever exists It’s crazy bc everyone has biological differences. We could categorize brown vs blue eyes just based on the way they take in light differently and therefore one could have an advantage over the other in, say, archery competitions. It’s so arbitrary, and at the end of the day when hrt is taken, *literally doesn’t make a difference*
Why do you follow the ideologies of our pedo president? He thinks the same way you do, so you’re following his ideologies. Not making an assumption, I’m making an observation. I don’t agree with anything John said except some of his science. You’re so focused on the founder of this ideology that you don’t care about me talking about the dictionary.
Exactly, according to DSM-5—what psychologists refer to to diagnose mental illnesses—-being trans is NOT a mental illness. There often exists cognitive dissonance amongst other issues, more due to societal pressure to perform specific behaviors based upon the cultural gender norm (a great example of how gender and sex are not the same) than anything to do with mental illness within itself
Do I? I’m following what I’ve been taught and studied in college. If we have that similarities it’s strictly a coincidence. No, you’re making an assumption. You’re so focused on trying to correlate what I say with Trump. Also, the founder of said ideology is responsible for your belief that gender and sex are different.
What about the females being raped by trans women? A quick google search will tell you that’s happened btw. So am I more worried about what actually happens as compared to what may happen? Duh! Still dont think anyone should get raped though, and the rapist should be locked away forever, but that’s besides the point
Not to jump in where I’m probably unwelcome but while it is true that “both gender teams” would have more men than women, there are a lot of women who actually have biological advantages over men For instance a taller woman has an advantage over a ton of shorter men in basketball. It depends on context
I don’t think you guys understand how hormones work. Chromosomes do direct hormones and the formation of ovaries or testes in fetal development but it’s hormones that ultimately decide your skeletal structures during puberty. HRT can’t reverse the skeletal structures from puberty once you’re fully developed but your hormones play a vital role in performance too like cardiac and hemoglobin differences oxygen carrying capacity, fat distribution, lean mass development, and too much more to list
That’s not the point. It depends highly on the sport and unique physical qualities of the players, not just what chromosomes they were born with. It’s as arbitrary as if we classed sports by eye color, because that changes the way light enters the eye and could affect performance
Research shows that trans men MASSIVELY outperform cis women in women’s sports (even though for some reason conservatives treat this as proving their point?) This is because hrt changes physical performance. The same goes for trans women. It’s not rocket science, just biology
Then join a coed team! Some teams are separated for a reason. Plus, all the arguments about “after so many years on HRT, a trans woman resembles a biological woman” doesn’t even work in a lot of contexts because in cases of high school and even college sports those athletes haven’t had the chance to take HRT that long so they still resemble biological males more closely
Yes trans women can’t change their skeletal structure post puberty. But there’s nothing they can really do. They can’t access testosterone as minors but at no point do I give a shit about skeletal structure and upbringing in sports. Simone Biles is built fucking insanely! Her wingspan height fucking everything is perfect for gymnastics. I don’t care that her genetic makeup directed her hormones to create a gymnastics killing machine anymore than any of the heights of nba players. 1
You did, but you follow what led to his ideology. The difference between Albert Einstein is that him being a womanizer didn't go into his ideology nor his work; on the other hand you have John money who's work and ideology went hand and hand with his experiments which involved pedophilia
Bone structure literally varies so much from person to person that it’s insane to think all cis women are simply built the same. It’s also funny how transphobes loathe the idea of providing hrt or even just hormone blockers to people undergoing puberty, and then point fingers and claim “bone structure” as if they didn’t set that up themselves
I would be MORE THAN HAPPY to debate you on this, provided the argument is respectful, but there are a ton of people in this argument and it’s getting hard to follow. If you list out your points, I can list out my counter arguments and my points and we can do that. Otherwise, this seems like a waste of both of our times
Some people are just built different with advantages in sports bc of how they grew- if hormones ultimately play a bigger role in your athletic performance- your endurance strength and power- AND multiple studies have shown that trans women’s performance becomes within similar ranges to cis women then I’m not gonna give a shit about their skeletal structure or whether or not they started out more strong or weak fat or skinny anymore than any other athlete
basketball, football, track, rugby, lacrosse, wrestling, swimming and powerlifting are all going to give preference to size and strength. if you’re a lover of cross country or some other niche sport then congrats on liking the 1 thing that maybe doesn’t give as explicit preference to capability. that’s generally not the case w sports though across the board
I think it already will be my friend, and I have to be asleep soon for work in the morning. Frankly, you and I will not agree, because unfortunately that is the nature of politics. Some of my first comments were about trying to avoid getting into an argument online over this, because I knew it wouldn’t serve anyone, as it never does. But I couldn’t help myself. I’m going to leave it alone.
Id also like to add that, as someone who played lacrosse, I find it a bit offensive that you think it’s all about brute force. I’m easily on the smaller side but I was a great player because I’m flexible and agile and I’ve got good hand eye coordination. Think outside the box or whatever
“gender dysphoria,” a psychiatric diagnosis that refers to the psychological distress that results from an incongruence between one’s sex assigned at birth and one’s gender identity -https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/what-is-gender-dysphoria. No, distress does not mean extreme, there are many different levels of it.
Where did I ever say trans people shouldn’t be defended? And yes, I did mean when I said I was sorry that one of your loved ones died, but I’m not sorry for arguing with you at all. And being rude to someone is never ok, no matter where it is. You’re an adult and should know better than that.
I never said defending trans people was wrong. I said that advocating for a trans woman to play on a team the OP isn’t even on is assholish. Im not going to continue arguing with a child that has openly admitted not to care about the argument and just wants to be annoying. I hope you feel better. Go to bed.
I love how that got them to stop responding lmao Pro athletes are the top 1% of their field, and the way they get there is usually because they have a biological predisposition towards certain traits (ex: Michael Phelps’s arms are basically every swimmer’s dream), meaning there are already biological factors that make them better than their peers. Gender does not factor into the equation when you look at physical performance like this. We can and will talk about statistical outliers because (1)