Anonymous OP 6w

a lot of them probably could’ve become amazing people. maybe their great grandkids would’ve cured cancer. but they died while their age still started with a 1 so we’ll never know

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Anonymous #1 6w

no one I know irl has agreed with me 😭 it was making me feel like I’m the asshole

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Anonymous #3 6w

stop that’s what inspired this post 😭

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Anonymous OP 6w

I’ve heard plenty of people say the wife’s and moms were the victims and not the actual guys dying and that to me is the brain dead take. But then again it’s cool to hate men rn so. The real take is when you realize that politicians start wars that most citizens don’t want and end up having to fight. I’ve traveled lots of places and the people are always cool, most of the time way nicer than in the US too. The victims will always be the people who die and the people whose homes are destroyed.

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Anonymous #1 6w

I feel bad for both. I mean imagine being freshly married and they rip your husband away and he’s scared and dies. not that he didn’t have it worse but that’s still terrible for the wife and his mother for the second part, I’d hope this isn’t a hot take. NO ONE wins in war. not the men who died, not the innocent victims whose politicians used them, not the women who unnecessarily lost their loved ones

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no. it’s true. a LOTTTTT of people only join the military bc they want the benefits and college is too expensive for them. they DO prey on the poor. like idk what to tell you. yes there’s people who join to help (although modern times are more harm than help) but a LOTTTTT join bc they feel they have no other choice. it’s easy to get in. guaranteed job

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dumbass I JUST said I took a class on how the poor gets preyed on by the gov (military) idgaf

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Anonymous OP 6w

Nah so many people disagree with you. People make the claim that being handed a gun makes them not innocent… as if they ever asked for that gun or even wanted to use it. Ultimately I think it’s part of the societal trend towards seeing men not as people but evaluating them through the value they provide. By this metric conscripted soldiers are just numbers

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Anonymous #6 6w

I didn’t claim that. I said the people in my life claimed that and that’s why they don’t agree with me. reading comprehension is a lost skill

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Anonymous #7 6w

And what they went through, they were soldiers who fought for their families and for a better world. I just wouldn’t label them as victims cause honestly my grandfathers who lost ppl in those wars wouldn’t want their friends or themselves labeled as victims, my uncle sure as hell wouldn’t want to be labeled as one either

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Anonymous OP 6w

Gosh really?! I feel like I’ve heard this agreed *emphatically* on by just about everyone in the circles I run with - maybe it’s the irl circles you run in? I definitely wholly agree with it - it’s a tragedy. I remember a comedian saying that the US likes to make grand displays of love for veterans “because it’s easier to venerate veterans than to actually take care of them.” Straight bars. And he was 100% right.

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Anonymous OP 6w

I’m not disagreeing with you OP dear lord

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hey! So one of the definitions of human/labor trafficking is the exploitation of a person’s vulnerabilities (including social, mental, physical, or economic) to force them to do something. When the only feasible option for someone to get proper education or basic needs met is to go to war and risk their life, that is exploiting the economic pressure on the lower class for military power. It’s not ethical.

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If we had better systems in place to guarantee livable conditions without having to risk bodily harm or go against your morality (like killing others), like livable wage, then we can talk about the ethics of military enrollment and the benefits included would be a positive. But seeing as the number of people in the us dying from malnutrition is just going up dramatically… it’s just exploitation

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Also homelessness deaths in the USA per year are anywhere from 7 thousand to 40 thousand. Reminder that 11.2% of the current homeless population are veterans.

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So to summarize: it’s exploitation because it’s not a real choice for the poor and there are many fake promises in the military when joining where people believe they will be taken care of and instead get abandoned

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You said “giving them a job and benefits is not preying on them” which my point was that it definitely is

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I think the argument was those who involuntarily were forced to serve in a war

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Anonymous #16 6w

*addon: not to mention the only reason he was in vietnam was because the u.s. felt threatened by communism

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Anonymous #17 6w

I’ve had people call me horrible names to my face for not breaking up with my boyfriend when he got conscripted. It was still nothing compared to what they called him because obviously he must believe everything that the country he was born in believes and definitely chose to be conscripted.

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Anonymous #13 6w

yeah people don’t understand how war works. the only person who’s choice it is is the people who are going to war over oil and land and religion, but the soldiers just want to protect their families

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Anonymous #17 6w

My bf got out before the worst of the conflict in his country ramped up but I swear. Their president just woke up one morning and was like “hmm… I want that. I’ll take it now” it doesn’t work like that!!! So many people have died! And some people can’t separate the teenagers doing the shooting from the grown ass adults forcing them to

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Anonymous #1 6w

I agree with you completely. When a lot of people respond to the question “who is the main victim of war?” They either say the women or both parties. Not a lot of people say the men.

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Anonymous #20 6w

to make when joining our military. ofc again with nuance such as poor and young individuals being preyed on to better their situations and how there are still victims being made in that way. but with the way that it is more of a personal choice to join now (in the US specifically) that is where the debate is mostly seen. most ppl will agree the draft forced men and made them victims

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Anonymous #2 6w

ever heard prison song by system of a down

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Anonymous OP 6w

What could he do? Should have been a rock star But he didn't have the money for a guitar What could he do? Should have been a politician But he never had a proper education What could he do? Should have been a father But he never even made it to his twenties -Kate Bush (Army Dreamers)

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Anonymous #23 6w

I love that song 😭 it’s so depressing but real

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