Anonymous #22 47w

Say it LOUDER!!

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Anonymous #22 47w

*infant

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Anonymous #20 47w

if you have sex you have to be prepared for the consequences though…

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Anonymous #14 47w

The consequences of sex should be risking an STD, not bringing and supporting life.

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Anonymous #14 47w

Consent for the act does not equal consent for the potential consequences. Just because I get in my car and drive does not mean I consent to die in a wreck.

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Anonymous #33 47w

This is such a good analogy omg

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Anonymous #20 47w

Maternal deaths have also risen since the overturning of roe v wade

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Anonymous #37 47w

Textbook strawman

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Anonymous #37 47w

Not to mention that these guys will coerce you into sex even if you didn’t want to do it.

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Anonymous #32 47w

that isn’t something we get to decide. just because it should be that way doesn’t mean it is. you have to play by the rules of nature, and nature says the possible consequence is the creation of life.

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and you talk like you’ve never made a woman cum before :)

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What would be running the red light?? Nobody is excited to murder the thing growing inside them that could turn into a baby. People use protection, some people are not educated on how to have safe sex, people get coerced or manipulated and forced, and pressured by a loved one.

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Anonymous #37 47w

also probably the same group of people who believe in outlawing queer sex cos it’s “unnatural” or “doesn’t create life”

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Anonymous #30 47w

that would rly be ad hominem in a normal discussion but in this case isn’t a fallacy due to the fact that this is a moral discussion of beliefs held and the actions they incite. The fallacy here would be what you committed straw man fallacy by intentionally misinterpreting the argument being presented on the effect of these beliefs being held on those who support them for an incorrect fallacy, taken a step further it could be a red herring as it changes the discussion to fallacies not morals

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Anonymous #42 47w

ok but are you going to help with the pregnancy? are you going to support the person you got pregnant while they’re in one of the most vulnerable periods of their life? cos if not, then that’s not pro-life

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Anonymous #37 47w

Me as a man yes I am. That’s my responsibility and my child as well. It doesn’t matter the situation that’s my flesh and blood

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Anonymous #37 47w

There may be other men out there that are pieces of shit and won’t but that doesn’t mean every man is like that

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Anonymous #44 47w

Senseless reasons like adoption agencies or families in need that can’t have kids

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Anonymous #37 47w

do you even know what it means to be pregnant? like have you yourself experienced pregnancy? monsters kill babies.

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Anonymous #42 47w

I think you’re thinking of child-rearing

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Anonymous #46 47w

I can’t say I have, but I respect every woman that goes through it, they’re bringing a whole new life into this world and I would support my wife all the way through

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Anonymous #44 47w

If you don’t want the kid that doesn’t mean kill it, give it to someone who physically cannot have kids

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HIPAA dumbass

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Anonymous #42 47w

Not just abt being careless. Lots of ppl who want kids have abortions due to severe medical reasons. Its a very broad line of when medically necessary abortions should be done for the sake of the mother. Additionally, given the state of the foster care/adoption system, i wouldnt want anybody going through that bc they r forced to simpky bc they where forced to be born. U might not agree with abortions but its not ur call (or the governments) to decide that for everyone

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Anonymous #42 47w

i completely agree with what you’re saying even though you can’t comprehend what parenthood is due to lack of experience … the lack of accountability being displayed by young people in modern america is insane and repulsive, i got pregnant at 19 and was honestly offended when people asked me “are you keeping it?”

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Anonymous #46 47w

I can’t say I’ve experienced it a lot but my dad was not around a lot after my little sister was first born so up until college I spent a lot of my time watching her and teaching her. If my mom had chosen to abort her I honestly don’t know what I would’ve done, I know my heart would be broke if anything were to happen to her. I’m currently 19 and we take every precaution just to be safe. But I can’t imagine how they must have felt for you to be asked such a question. It must’ve been hard for you

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ok and obergfell v hodges was technically about partners having medical rights and legal rights when it came to their significant other or children, but we still all consider it the case that legalized gay marriage

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Anonymous #23 47w

Those people think sex ed is grooming children, that’s why they don’t advocate for it

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Anonymous teapotshortnstout 47w

*creatures, not people.

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Anonymous #33 47w

You’re right but it is a potential risk just as having sex is a potential risk to getting pregnant

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Anonymous #50 47w

LMAO

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Anonymous #33 47w

Clump of cells moment inbound

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Anonymous #50 47w

No. Not bringing a child into a world of poverty & neglect outweighs forcing someone to have a kid they can’t or won’t care for

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Anonymous #32 47w

since sex creates life, then the consequence of unprotected sex is bringing life. bc you’re not having sex to have a kid doesn’t mean that’s not what it’s for. be smart and use a condom

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Anonymous #42 47w

This sounds great & all, but: a.) The mother’s life is always at risk due to complications during childbirth b.) The adoption system & process are not good or fast & c.) 20% of children put up for adoption never even get adopted; they grow up with no real family or home

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Anonymous #53 47w

You have to understand that most people in this situation physically aren’t able to drop everything to have & care for a baby. If you’re in a position that you could do this, then I am SO jealous of you. Not to mention a certain presidential candidate is working to defund programs like WIC that support these mothers who actually ARE trying their best to care for their children. Not to mention having to take time off work for giving birth; another loss of money for someone struggling to pay bills

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Anonymous #53 47w

It isn’t your baby tho

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Anonymous #53 47w

ok then you carry the baby bro

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Anonymous #53 47w

& this doesn’t even touch on abuse & neglect of children. Too many parents in this world treat their kids like sh*t, even when they intended to have them. Imagine that same person getting pregnant early, what happens to that child? What happens to the child whose mom can barely afford to feed herself let alone a baby too? What about the baby whose mother is homeless giving birth in January? Not everyone has the comfort of being able to raise a child if they’re pregnant. It’s not fair to the kid.

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Anonymous #50 47w

Ok in that case cancer treatment is murder.

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Anonymous purp_diamond 47w

Ok purp all these mfs could just wear protection or stay celibate, I’d take care of the baby bc that’s my responsibility if I decide to have sex and that’s the risk I take. Cancer in general puts the mother and baby’s life at risk so terrible take. It’s not like I beat my meat and impregnated her, sex is a 2 person job. If you’re not in a good position to do so don’t have unprotected sex it’s that simple

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Anonymous #53 47w

Or you just yknow mind your own business and don’t get involved in other peoples personal medical decisions have you considered that

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Anonymous purp_diamond 47w

My baby is my business, I apologize your parents didn’t raise you right enough to know that.

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Anonymous #20 47w

Or maybe you’re voluntarily practicing celibacy because you know how important sex is in binding you and your partner in marriage and you’re aware that it could potentially bring the blessing of a baby.

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Anonymous #42 47w

It’s literally classified as an UNBORN offspring that that isn’t even considered a fetus until after 9 weeks after conception. Not every man is a good man at all, and it doesn’t even affect the man until after the child is born. It is a woman’s body, not yours. No uterus? No opinion.

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Anonymous #20 47w

get a dildo

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Anonymous #37 47w

Illogical fallacies smh

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Anonymous #20 47w

Just don’t have sex then.

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Anonymous #58 47w

as a pro lifer it’s important to point out the discrepancy between “my body my choice” when it comes to abortion but “you MUST wear a mask” when it comes to Covid. what happened to my body my choice then?

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Anonymous #42 47w

You clearly don’t understand the horrors of the adoption industry

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Anonymous #62 47w

The horrors of death aren’t better

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Anonymous #53 47w

But what about other people’s babies and fetuses? Why do you care about them? They should have the choice of whether or not they have to go through 9 months of pregnancy and then the agony of labor and potential medical issues. You can choose to keep the fetus, but don’t force your choices onto others

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Anonymous #53 47w

53 THIS IS WHY WE ARE PRO CHOICE, that’s the difference!! No one is mad at you for keeping your baby!!!!!

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Anonymous #30 47w

It doesn’t even have a consciousness at that point, it isn’t even able to think, it doesn’t have the ability to care whether it dies or continues growing, it doesn’t have the ability to be scared of death lmao

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Anonymous #62 47w

so it would be okay for you to dismember or kill someone mentally incapacitated just because they’re “incapable of understanding”?

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Anonymous #30 47w

Whereas kid in the adoption industry has the ability to be traumatized by the adoption industry. Genuinely, you should do research into it if you’re going to advocate for it, because it’s not great. People have to pay thousands of dollars to adopt, so people who don’t have thousands of dollars can’t adopt, even if they can’t have kids biologically

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Anonymous #53 47w

Exactly see you’ve almost got it buddy. Now apply that logic to everyone else and you see that abortion should be individuals choice.

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Anonymous #60 47w

They’re capable of understanding, you don’t understand mental disability. They can still feel fear and other emotions. It takes a long while for fetuses to be able to feel emotions, and at that point the pregnancy is already at a point where they’re probably going to be carried to term, because it’s past the first trimester. A better comparison would be a brain dead person, which yeah, they get taken off life support all the time. Are you also arguing to keep them alive?

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Anonymous #53 47w

Exactly, your baby is YOUR business. Not mine. My hypothetical baby is MY business, not yours. If I choose to abort, that’s MY choice, if you choose to not abort, that’s YOUR choice. Our choices have nothing to do with each other, just that we have the ability to make that choice

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Anonymous #60 47w

You not wearing a mask affected other people though, because you were spreading germs. You can’t spread pregnancy or abortion through breathing, last I checked

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Anonymous #62 47w

The baby they’re carrying inside would be my sperm, my sperm my choice then since you wanna be like that. Anyone who chose to have sex has to deal with the consequences. My condolences to anyone that was raped, no one deserves that. If you just aren’t in that position to take care of a child tho don’t have sex and be selfish about the consequences.

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Anonymous #53 47w

My egg, my uterus, my vagina, my choice. You’re not the one carrying the baby, or giving birth, or having all of your nutrients be shared. Y’all keep saying just don’t have sex, why do you care what I do? You and your hypothetical partner can choose to keep the baby, why do YOU care what I do with MY body. Not your body, Not your partners body, MINE. You can choose whatever YOU want, don’t force your choices onto ME

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Anonymous #53 47w

Man there’s no chance of your body and brain being permanently altered from your sperm being let loose. When women give birth it’s a harrowing process where death can and does happen all the time.

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Anonymous #62 47w

Take care of the kid then lol not my fault you decide not to share the responsibility that comes with sex. Idc if you have sex just know that once it involves my baby it’s not your choice anymore it’s both partners.

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Anonymous #50 47w

okay let’s just say i concede with you on this point, life begins at conception. now consider this: you are driving recklessly and cause an accident. you’re completely fine, but the person you hit is in critical condition. they need an organ transplant otherwise they will absolutely die. YOU are their only match. putting aside what is ethically correct in that scenario, should you be forced to donate your organ? should the government be able to legislate that you have to donate your organ? (1)

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Anonymous #53 47w

I don’t want to. That’s my choice. I’m not your partner so I can choose to do what I want. You and your partner can choose what you guys want. Again, don’t push your choices onto me. If I want to have sex I can, if I get pregnant and don’t want to put my body through the agony of it all or if I can’t afford to, I can choose to get an abortion. People can choose to not carry another thing in their body for 9 months if they want, and you can choose to carry it if you want

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Anonymous #62 47w

You should be choosing appropriate actions for desired outcomes. If you want to have sex, great! Make choices that give you the outcome of not getting pregnant! If you don’t have the resources available for that desired outcome, you SHOULDNT BE HAVING SEX. You have the opportunity to decide the outcome of your life, the unborn does not.

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Anonymous #53 47w

Not tf it isn’t how hard is it for you to let women have choices Jesus Christ go read the Bible more or some shit

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Anonymous #62 47w

Not a thing. A baby. If you’re a murderer just say that.

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Anonymous #50 47w

what’s that? no? and why might that be? because we have this cool concept called BODILY AUTONOMY. your organs are yours to choose what to do with, despite what might be ethical or morally right. so why is it that the same doesn’t apply to abortions? even if the pregnancy happened recklessly, why does that person not have the same right to not give up their body? why can the government legislate their bodily autonomy away?

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Anonymous #53 47w

You seem a little confused, genuinely. In the kindest way possible, Do you realize that pro-choice is the ability for everyone to choose if they want an abortion? Like people can choose to get a tattoo if they want, or they can choose to never get a single tattoo, and it’s fine either way. People can choose to get an abortion or to never get an abortion, and that’s their choice, and it’s okay. Nobody is forcing abortions onto people that want a baby

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Anonymous #60 47w

You didn’t HAVE to wear a mask we just decided if you didn’t then you wouldn’t be allowed to do stuff.

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Anonymous #62 47w

And why would they? Tattoos only affect one person, not killing a baby and taking a life. Atp just legalize murder for anyone that inconvenienced me

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Anonymous #53 47w

No it’s a thing until about the third trimester

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Anonymous purp_diamond 47w

what changes for you in the third trimester? what makes it suddenly a baby and not a “thing” then?

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Anonymous #64 47w

Key words: will be. Is not yet. And if masks don’t do anything then why do doctors wear them in surgical environments? Just for funsies? Fashion statement? Or perhaps, just maybe, masks prevent the spreading of germs

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Anonymous #61 47w

not everyone is afforded the same sex education, especially in red states where only abstinence is taught, which also happens to be the same states with abortion bans

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Anonymous #53 47w

Not a baby yet, living organism but not a baby. Basically a plant, living and growing, but no consciousness or awareness of its own existence. Human people are conscious and aware of their own existence

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Anonymous #8 47w

let’s not sit around and pretend like a majority of abortions are a product of people not being properly educated. though I agree sex education should be more widely available, it is ignorant of you to take the blame off irresponsible people and instead put it on an institution.

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Anonymous #53 47w

Why do you care if I choose to have sex? Why do you care what I do with my own body when you don’t even know me?

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Anonymous #61 47w

Because sex education is not even offered at many schools across the country and the internet has greatly contributed to the amount of sexual content kids and young people are seeing that give them the wrong ideas about sex.

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Anonymous #60 47w

Age

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Anonymous purp_diamond 47w

such a weak and uneducated response. go ahead and form some educated opinions before you try and debate others

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Anonymous #61 47w

Not to mention that casual sexual grooming through teaching girls that men’s sexuality is a will to be submitted to is a huge physiological factor in working class women being coerced into sex according to some studies

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Anonymous #23 47w

*psychological factor

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Anonymous #60 47w

Just say you ran out of talking points. Maybe check Fox News see if they came up with anything new

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Anonymous #60 47w

Real talk, can’t even make them understand. I’m not surprised tho they’re uneducated and irresponsible.

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Anonymous purp_diamond 47w

the main talking point is the fact that you can’t provide any reasonable argument for your stance and when challenged result to taunts. you look real big and bad!

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Anonymous #60 47w

Their right, a fetus is unconscious and unaware of its own existence until at the very minimum the second trimester, then it can be considered a baby. Plus before then, it literally looks identical to any other mammalian fetus, it looks like a seahorse, I wouldn’t call a seahorse-shaped flesh-ball a baby

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Anonymous #62 47w

They’re

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Anonymous #60 47w

WHY DO YOU CARE THOUGH

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Anonymous #60 47w

You literally asked me what causes a clump of cells to turn into a person, I said age. You then called me weak and uneducated. So like did you get some brain worms or some?

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Anonymous #53 47w

Ironic coming from the dude who wants to force and uneducated and irresponsible choice on everyone

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Anonymous #62 47w

being unaware of your environment shouldn’t infringe on your human rights. would you accept the killing of mentally incapacitated people outside the womb? if not, how would it be any different?

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Anonymous #60 47w

What do you consider mental incapacitation? Genuinely. Please tell me what you’re talking about

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Anonymous #60 47w

Exactly a baby in the womb is like a person on life support. Would you just unplug them if it doesn’t convenience you?

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Anonymous #53 47w

A fetus is like a brain dead person. And they get taken off life support. And in this case life support is another person who already is conscious and aware

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Anonymous #53 47w

A lot of people are forced to unplug their loved ones on life support for a lot of reasons. If a person is brain dead or most likely will not wake up, or their life would be very sparse compared to before if they did wake up, it’s socially acceptable to unplug it. Why is a fetus different?

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Anonymous #60 47w

That’s cause they’re a person and as I’ve said you become a person after about 28 weeks. And it doesn’t matter the majority of people agree that abortion should be legal and therefore, as a democracy, we should work towards making it legal

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Anonymous #62 47w

someone in a vegetative state would have the same inability to understand themselves or their environment you claim a fetus has. would the killing of this person out of convenience be different to you than an abortion?

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Anonymous purp_diamond 47w

the irresponsible choice here is the choice to end a human life out of convenience for your own…

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Anonymous #60 47w

Not a human.

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Anonymous purp_diamond 47w

the fetus… the one created via human procreation… isn’t human?

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Anonymous #60 47w

1) the vegetative state question depends on if the person is brain dead or can recover. 2) a person in a vegetative state is on life support which is technology keeping them alive vs a pregnancy which quite literally is a parasitic relationship, just a potentially loved parasitic relationship. 3) people in permanent vegetative states ARE taken off life support. Are you arguing for the rights of brain dead people too?

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Anonymous #60 47w

It might be human but it’s not a person

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Anonymous #60 47w

I’ll ask you too, why do you care what I do with my body? You’ve never met me, you never will, you’ll never know if I get pregnant or have an abortion. So why do you care if I choose to have a baby or not? Why do you care if I get an abortion? Why do you care about a clump of cells that you’ll never even know existed? Why do you care about taking away MY choice? I’m not taking away your choice, so why do you want to take away mine?

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Anonymous #60 47w

I wouldn’t say it’s convenience considering there is zero doubt from a scientific standpoint that pregnancy can effect and even cripple your body and your brain if it doesn’t kill you. Many women’s brain produces less gray matter the first two years after they get pregnant, and the maternal mortality rate in the US is the highest out of all 1st world countries

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Anonymous #60 47w

I’m kinda nitpicking your comment on semantics so sorry about that but it is important in this conversation to retain respect for pregnancy as a process (and the fetus) no matter what side ur on

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Anonymous #62 47w

I care about the person involved that TRULY doesn’t have a choice. The moment you get pregnant it’s not just YOUR body. there is another person involved at that point. You can choose to subscribe to the idea that the baby you’ve created is not a person, but it’s not the truth. The human you carry is a person in the womb as much as it is a person outside the womb. I care because it is an injustice to those who can’t speak for themselves: the unborn.

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Anonymous #62 47w

Your choice should be to practice safe sex or don’t have sex at all if you’re unprepared to be a parent. Your freedoms should never be able to take away another’s.

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Anonymous #60 47w

It’s not a person yet! At that point it is a parasite that is only surviving through taking my nutrients. I want to have a baby one day, so I’d be okay with it, but while it is a seahorse-shaped flesh-bag it is not a person. It is not conscious or aware, it doesn’t feel fear or any other emotion, it is a thing. You don’t get to decide what others do just cuz you’re uncomfortable with it. You wouldn’t even know if someone was pregnant or had an abortion, because it’s evacuating a clump of cells

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Anonymous #60 47w

Do you think that people with worms shouldn’t get the parasite removed because that worm is a living thing?

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Anonymous #60 47w

My choice should be whatever I want to do with my body!! It doesn’t affect you!! Or anybody else!! The fetus doesn’t have a conscious to care if it dies or keeps growing

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Anonymous #66 47w

The consequence is that I get an abortion, because I’m mature enough to know what my body can and cannot handle

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Anonymous #66 47w

Yeah because everyone expects teenagers to be mature and control their hormones and make the right decisions especially without sex education in half the country.

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Anonymous #60 47w

Not until the 3rd trimester it isn’t

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Anonymous #62 47w

that doesn’t mean it’s HUMANITY should be ignored. pretending like it isn’t a human being is exactly the mentality nazis used in the holocaust. just pointing that out.

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Anonymous #62 47w

I don’t lol just don’t be ignorant to the consequences. I could also care less about your body, it’s about the baby you want to murder

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Anonymous #60 47w

Dude stfu a fetus is not a person like just stop.

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Anonymous #53 47w

^homie just openly admitted he doesn’t give a shit about women :)

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Anonymous #53 47w

It’s not a baby, it’s a fetus, the different words exist for a reason. And you won’t know said fetus ever even existed, it won’t have felt a single emotion or had a single thought, and then it won’t exist anymore

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Anonymous #37 47w

I love women and I love babies, just not murderers.

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Anonymous #53 47w

The consequences are pregnancy, which then can lead to an abortion or it can lead to having a baby, the choice is the important part. You’re arguing against having that choice. If you don’t care then why are you arguing?

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Anonymous #62 47w

You’re right everyone here is ignorant, yall got it tho Trump 2024 🇺🇸

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Anonymous #65 47w

Stopped me from getting sick when working with sick people

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Anonymous indoor_cyrus 47w

Its a terrible analogy jesus this generation is DOOMED bruh 😭

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Anonymous #62 47w

the consequence is that u feel that guilt for the rest of ur life. i hope u never find urself making this decision, but if u do just know ur taking a life. u are playing God in a situation much greater than u and i pray that at some point u are able to see beyond ur own nose. when u have sex babies happen. just because u want to have sex doesn’t give you the authority to take a life away.

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Anonymous #66 47w

I wouldn’t feel guilty, thanks! I’d feel secure in the fact that I chose to do what was best for my body and myself, especially because the fetus would never even be conscious enough to even think a thought or feel an emotion before it ceased to exist

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Anonymous #66 47w

I have the right to play god with anything that needs to sap my nutrients to survive.

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Anonymous #66 47w

Facts!!

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Anonymous #68 47w

You’re a terrible analogy

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Anonymous #33 47w

Fair

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Anonymous #52 47w

Then give it to someone who’s uterus is incapable of developing a baby

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Anonymous #33 47w

Yet it’s something that still happens, whether you consent to it or not. Consenting to consequences is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. It’s like I consent to getting money from robbing a bank but I don’t consent to being put in jail like wtf?

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Anonymous #42 47w

If you’re going to advocate for adoption then you should research the adoption industry more (genuine) it’s really horrifying and forces people to pay thousands to adopt, and babies are more expensive than older kids

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Anonymous #42 47w

And also labor is horrifying and painful and dangerous, and plenty of people don’t want to experience that

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Anonymous #62 47w

Then fuck with a condom or don’t fuck at all 😂

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Anonymous #69 47w

I love you comparing pregnancy and parenthood to jail, you literally proved your own point lmao

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Anonymous #62 47w

The person I responded to compared parenthood to dying in a fuckin car wreck 😂 yall make no sense

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Anonymous #69 47w

Why do you care whether I have sex or safe sex? You’ll never know if I was pregnant or not and you’ll never know the clump of cells even existed

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Anonymous #62 47w

Im comparing that there’s consequences to every action we make, and saying “I don’t consent to the consequences “ is actually probably one of the stupidest things I’ve heard in my life , and I been on this app a while now

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Anonymous #69 47w

I mean plenty of people die during pregnancy or labor. What makes no sense is forcing your choice onto others. If I choose to get an abortion that’s my choice. If you choose to carry out the pregnancy that’s your choice. I’m not going to force my choice on you, so why do you want to force your choice on me?

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Anonymous #62 47w

Just giving you an out so you don’t have to worry about the consequences 🫶 no consequences if you do things the right way 🫶

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Anonymous #69 47w

The consequence is that I get an abortion, that’s that. None of anybody else’s business but my own and my partner’s, which even in certain circumstances the partner shouldn’t get a say

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Anonymous #69 47w

Bro probably complains like a baby when a girl wants him to put on a condom

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Anonymous #62 47w

so your actions can be excused if no one knows about them? sounds like a totally sound moral code you have!

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Anonymous #52 47w

What? 😭 that’s the only way I have sex is with a condom 😂 so I don’t have to worry about the consequences it’s called being smart, try it sometime 👍

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Anonymous #50 47w

When people still think women’s healthcare is “convenience”

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Anonymous #69 47w

You don’t get to tell me the right or wrong way to use my body. My body is none of your business and your body is none of mine. There is no right or wrong way to use your own body, whether that means abortion, or tattoos, or plastic surgery, or piercings. It’s all my choice to do with my own body

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Anonymous #37 47w

no it wasnt obergefell was literally about whether the 14th amendment’s equal protection and due process clauses allowed states to prohibit gay marriage it had nothing to do with medical rights

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Anonymous #60 47w

It is a human, just not a person. It doesn’t have consciousness or awareness, it can’t feel emotions, it can’t even survive without a host body

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Anonymous #29 47w

Good of public does not equal good of the unthinking unfeeling flesh bag that can’t survive without a host body

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Anonymous #37 47w

“Cis men” we’re men. Get it right.

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Anonymous #71 47w

bruh it went to the supreme court cos of MULTIPLE state cases based on medical rights and adoption. were those on the basis of same-sex marriage, yeah, but it’s not just that 2 dimensional

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Anonymous #29 47w

I feel like it’s the opposite of public good, protecting the fetus over the life or wellbeing of a fully grown adult who is already contributing to society

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Anonymous #53 47w

i’m a man,,,, just not cis like you losers

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Anonymous #37 47w

What a fa- yk what you people don’t deserve my time of day

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Anonymous #53 47w

If you’re not cis then you’re trans, just an FYI

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Anonymous #53 47w

sorry let me fix that: men with PENIS

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Anonymous #53 47w

Dis you?

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Anonymous #69 47w

And then you run away though right? You’re fine

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Anonymous #62 47w

you think i don’t know? 😂 damn guys seriously learn to read

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Anonymous teapotshortnstout 47w

That man has so many W

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Anonymous #52 47w

What? 😭

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Anonymous #37 47w

How do you know who has a penis, are you checking?

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Anonymous #62 47w

🙄regardless of circumstances, the fetus is a human being. i won’t argue about that scientific fact. my whole point is that the only real argument for abortion is that personal freedom(bodily autonomy) outweighs the fetuses right to life. saying that the reason for that is because of something inherent about the fetuses level of development is just a relative of gross ableism.

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Anonymous #29 47w

Does a woman getting healthcare affect you? No. Does not wearing a mask in 2020 affect you and everyone around you who are actually alive? Yes.

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Anonymous #62 47w

so you want me to check? sounds pretty gay

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Anonymous #29 47w

I wouldn’t liken it to ableism, I mean we judge whether things live or die based on whether it can process its own existence all the time. It’s why we can kill bugs and sometimes animals. But some people are ok with killing bugs but not animals, because they see the animals as intelligent enough that it’s cruel. It’s fairly common and imo not even that bad to just apply this logic to a fetus.

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Anonymous #37 47w

Except the court doesn’t consider that when deciding. They are only supposed to consider the constitutional law in question. The societal consequences of the ruling might extend to other aspects of life, sure, but it’s not the courts job to take that into consideration

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Anonymous #29 47w

saying you shouldn’t kill it because it’s a “unfeeling flesh bag” is just as bad an argument as a pro-lifer saying you shouldn’t kill it because “it’s just a cute little baby🥺” both are perspectives an individual can have and are irrelevant to the fact that it’s a human being either way

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Anonymous #29 47w

should kill it**

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Anonymous #66 47w

Then why did God invent those herbs they’ve been using since the beginning of time for abortions

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Anonymous #71 47w

dude you literally proved my point lol

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Anonymous #29 47w

Explain how it’s ableism please, genuinely

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Anonymous teapotshortnstout 47w

musk wishes he was me. then maybe he’d have an actual relationship with his family and not be so delulu

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Anonymous #66 47w

It’s the men. The men are immature. That’s a HUGE reason why women are so fucking scared to keep a fetus.

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Anonymous #37 47w

How? The original point was how the case that overturned roe was only about the constitutional question of states rights, And NOT about whether the court wanted abortion to be legal nationwide. Likewise, obergefell was only about the constitutional law (14th amendment) and not about whether the court wanted gay marriage legal nationwide.

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Anonymous #29 47w

to 23: personal freedom<public good is opposite of bodily autonomy>fetus’s life. both say that someone’s rights matter more than another’s. that was my point. ableism is the idea that someone’s worth as a human is derived from their ability to contribute to society. dehumanizing a person by calling them an “unfeeling flesh bag” is almost the definition of ableism.

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Anonymous #62 47w

the funny thing is, it was existing. the second it was conceived it was existing. a fetus meets the “criteria for life”. just because u don’t want to carry the child u have part in creating doesn’t mean squat. u have absolutely no right to take a life away, especially when u took part in creating it. ur sick.

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Anonymous teapotshortnstout 47w

Gay and trans people started saying cis to feel better about themselves, we’re straight.

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Anonymous #53 47w

no you’re just lame and boring 😒

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Anonymous #29 47w

I agree that it’s a little more than that, but I feel like that just loops back to the earlier conversation about how it’s acceptable to pull the plug on a person, or swat a bug, or kill a pig or cow or whale or horse even tho they’re very emotional and intelligent creatures.

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Anonymous #37 47w

And you’re gay or trans

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Anonymous #53 47w

you got that right baby 😉

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Anonymous #29 47w

which brings me back to my main point. let’s cut through all the irrelevant stuff and get to what abortion is all about, which is the argument over who’s rights matter more, bodily autonomy or right to life. all the crap about the fetus’s state of development and what they’re capable of doing is irrelevant unless you are ok with some form of ableism.

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Anonymous #66 47w

Okay I’m sick. The joke is on you, because I don’t care! At least I care about people having the right to choose what they want to happen to their own body. You can’t see past your own opinions to took around and care about other people. You want to take away peoples rights because you’re uncomfy with something

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Anonymous #62 47w

Dawg it’s about ppl having consequences, no body knows what that word means anymore, you can’t go around and do whatever you want because you don’t consent to consequences

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Anonymous #62 47w

ur sick. truly and honestly sick. u were once “the unthinking unfeeling flesh bag.” u are able to sit here and have this opinion bc someone chose to have u. it’s a bit selfish to not offer someone the same chance just because u don’t want to “host” it. u are exactly the type of person that should never procreate.

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Anonymous #29 47w

You’re not making any sense do you know how development works

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Anonymous #29 47w

right, so when it comes to non-humans, ableism is the name of the game. Animal’s rights are quite literally determined by their capacity to do things that we deem important. but that’s not the same for humans. 1. whether we can pull the plug on a human is debated, not a given. 2. pulling the plug isn’t analogous, bc it’s letting someone die rather than intentionally putting them in a situation where they will die when they otherwise could have thrived.

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Anonymous #69 47w

Again, the consequences are that I choose to get an abortion. That’s my business, and my choice. Not your business or your choice. When it comes to your body and your pregnancy, then you can choose to keep it or abort it, but you don’t get to choose for me

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Anonymous #62 47w

See but that’s the thing, it shouldn’t even be a choice. It’s not a consequence it’s an easy way out, one that could have been prevented in the first place if you had smart sex not even safe sex, just use your head 😂

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Anonymous #66 47w

Yea my mom CHOSE to have me, if she chose to abort me I wouldn’t even know because I wouldn’t exist. I would have ceased to exist before I developed a consciousness to think or feel emotions (hence the unfeeling, unthinking.) my mom made a choice, and because of that I’m here. I support people’s right to choose to have babies or choose to abort. You’re truly sick for forcing your opinions onto other people

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Anonymous #69 47w

Dude just cause you don’t have sex doesn’t mean everyone shouldn’t

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Anonymous #69 47w

So you think everyone should be forced to give birth

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Anonymous #29 47w

But quite literally a fetus does not have the consciousness to think or feel. I think it’s ableist to say that any born person is unable to think or feel, regardless of their ability or disability

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Anonymous #62 47w

i care about people and that is why i feel the way that i do. u admitting that u don’t care about the human life u are taking says enough about ur character. if you cared about people, then u would care about them too. never would i want to take someone’s bodily autonomy away. i truly believe that people should make decisions for themselves. But with making the decision the having sex, comes the decision to have a child.

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Anonymous #62 47w

ok 62. now that we agree that abortion is purely a matter of rights>rights, let’s explore your point. Your mom chose to have you. If you met a person whose mom was unwillingly forced to have them, would you say their life is less valuable than yours? or would you only say that if they were in a coma where they lost their memory and are not currently feeling or thinking? I’m trying to illustrate that when you say that, u r judging value based on circumstances, not by nature. this is dangerous

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Anonymous #73 47w

the fact that it feels good is an incentive to reproduce!

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Anonymous #66 47w

By being pro-forced-birth you are arguing to take away the bodily autonomy of anyone who can get pregnant. You are saying that they do not have the right to choose to not carry something that has to sap their nutrients to live. I want a baby. I just recognize that not everybody does, and that people have the right to choose what happens with their own body. You think your opinion is more important than other people’s choices

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Anonymous #33 47w

But you acknowledge that there is a risk to die in a wreck by getting in the car in the first place

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Anonymous #66 47w

The decision to have sex is just that, the decision to have sex. It’s not the decision to have a baby. If they want an abortion then they can choose to, if they want to keep the pregnancy then they can. Their choice is more important than your discomfort

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Anonymous #29 47w

when you say you can be ableist towards the unborn but not the born, this is also dangerous. The only difference between born and unborn is one of circumstance, not one of nature. Especially since premature babies survive at younger and younger gestational ages.

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Anonymous #62 47w

never, not once, did i say i was “pro-forced-birth” lmfao. i am saying u chose to have sex and therefore u are choosing have a child that is a product of this choice. this is no way applies to the mother of the child, or in cases of rape or incest. This only applies to women who choose to have sex and do not want to have the child that results from it.

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Anonymous #29 47w

this is where i’m really going to get the downvotes. women have bodily autonomy, but I argue that it is not unlimited.Her very right to bodily autonomy is founded on the idea that human lives have value, and that each person should not have things happen to their body that they don't want. If she can disregard the value of her fetus so easily, her own bodily autonomy means nothing. Her own value as a human is threatened.

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Anonymous #29 47w

In every circumstance where an abortion is -elective- (cases like ectopic pregnancies are not) innocent humans are killed unjustly.

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Anonymous #67 47w

You must’ve had an n95

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Anonymous #29 47w

Did you know more people regret having kids than regret getting abortions? And what do you mean about the person in a coma /gen? If the pregnancy is kept and there’s now a child in the world, then that child is born and is thinking and feeling. Until the 2nd trimester, a fetus is unable to think or feel emotions. Saying that isn’t ableism, it’s fact. To be fair, I was wrong about there not being ableism towards the unborn, but in those cases it’s eugenics, not pro-life vs pro-forced-birth

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Anonymous #66 47w

I think it’s funny how most women don’t even orgasm from just penetration…they don’t really need penises to orgasm…

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Anonymous #14 47w

I really feel like a whole ass human shouldn’t be “consequences”

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Anonymous #29 47w

Anyways, you’re clearly never going to respect bodily autonomy, and I’m sick of debating with people who care more about the development of something that isn’t a baby yet. So bye

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Anonymous #62 47w

I think you are missing my entire point. we are speaking of US law. -ideally- the law is built on the rights of the people. abortion law is a matter of rights of mother vs rights of fetus. I believe, and the US says it believes, that all humans should have equal rights. Now, this means that rights are based on nature, not circumstances. This is what the coma analogy illustrates. A human has rights because it’s a human, not because it can think or feel. This means fetus should have equal rights

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Anonymous #29 47w

You are placing all the value on the right to “the pursuit of happiness” over the right to life. The fetus’s ability to be happy is debated, while the mother’s ability to be happy is right in front of us, obvious and gut-wrenching. however, as compelling as the mother’s situation is, i think we let our limited perspective cloud what’s right. I think it’s obvious why we value the right to life over right ofhappiness. when we can’t see who it’s affecting, or ignore or dehumanize it.. well.abortion

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Anonymous #29 47w

this is why anti-abortion people use things like pictures of aborted unborn children. to try to wake people up to a reality that they don’t want to see. people go through so much in life. a mother with an unplanned pregnancy can be in a really terrible position. We can see, talk, and relate to the mother, we are like her. it’s easier to have compassion(rightly so) for her, than for her fetus. we forget that though we don’t know them, they’re human too. they have value too.

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Anonymous #33 47w

This is simply wrong. When we choose to do anything knowing the risks involved we do consent to take the chance. Anyone who drives knows they may get in a wreck but they take precautions against it like wearing a seatbelt or having airbags. Same should happen for sex— use protection. Some people even elect not to drive out of fear. If you’re that afraid to be pregnant, be abstinent. Sometimes things happen to people like rape which is tragic, but we shouldn’t base legislation on the minority

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Anonymous #75 47w

It is a direct result of your actions. Sex is for reproduction. Whether you want to frame it as a consequence or not, based on the way pro-choice people describe pregnancy does make it out as a consequence. And actions do have consequences which can’t be ignored

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Anonymous #29 47w

for example, this is a 10 wk miscarried fetus. does the seeing blood affect your ability to regard her as valuable, worthy of protection? can you see a bit of yourself in the tiny feet, the way her arm rests by her side? it’s easy for us, born people, to care about the mother’s rights. but the US hasn’t recognized the rights of her unborn child. let the pathos of this image sink through you as much of the pathos of a struggling single mom. both marginalized, both human.

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Anonymous #22 47w

Well the infant mortality rate after an abortion is 100% so idk what to tell you 💀

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Anonymous #78 47w

When we make abortion illegal, we’re killing women so idk what to tell you

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Anonymous #52 47w

Yeah except the majority of abortion cases are for women who would be just fine having the baby and are not in danger but just don’t want to have it. I would also like to know if the stats from before the overturning of Roe v. Wade counted abortions as “infant mortalities”— obviously the rate is going to go up if more babies are born and then pass rather than being aborted.

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Anonymous #78 47w

How do you know that they would be just fine? And do you mean just physically or mentally too?

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Anonymous #78 47w

Also, someone I know was very sick whilst pregnant and the doctor was going to abort the fetus because there was a very small chance of it and her surviving. She and the doctor decided not to go through with it because the fetus was actually viable. She and the baby both lived and are just fine. We shouldn’t use abortion as preventative care. If it is going to be used at all, it should be an absolute last resort, which is not how it is used currently. As evidenced by people saying pregnancy

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Anonymous #78 47w

Isn’t a consequence of sex.

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Anonymous #52 47w

The mental health of the mother is honestly inconsequential to the physical life of the child. If she can’t care for it there are options. And I mean physically as in she would not die due to birthing the baby.

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Anonymous #78 47w

Right so when a woman has to be told to sit in the parking lot until she finally goes into sepsis. That’s so good that she was able to make that choice for herself and keep the pregnancy. However, that does not always happen where “they’re just fine.”

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Anonymous #52 47w

Sepsis is also a known risk of the abortion pill. The reason this is happening is because fear mongering makes both women and doctors believe they’ll get in trouble even though they definitely will not. No one is going to get arrested for having a miscarriage that’s just stupid

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Anonymous #52 47w

Also just because it doesn’t always happen (which is not what I said, I said most of the time), doesn’t mean that isn’t the majority of cases. Since when do we legislate for the sake of the few over the many? It’s not reasonable

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Anonymous #78 47w

But someone could get arrested if they chose to have a medical operation that could save their life because the complication wasn’t “emergent”

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Anonymous #52 47w

Yeah if they have an abortion is a preventative measure, that’s just an abortion

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Anonymous #78 47w

If you’re not actually in imminent danger it’s just an abortion and also it depends on the state.

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Anonymous #78 47w

Bahahahaha💀 Birth to morality rates have also sky rocketed. What pro life people are standing for is letting a woman and her child die while claiming said child’s life to be important. You are exposing children to a life of suffering in a f0cked system because YOU want that child to live yet, you pay none of the child’s bills. Make it make sense💀

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Anonymous #79 47w

The child’s life IS important, as important as the mother’s. I think there should be a massive overhaul of the foster care system, but that’s not what you guys advocate for. I also certainly have not seen an uptick in fostering/adoption from the left since women’s rights were supposedly taken away. I’d love to adopt a child one day.

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Anonymous #78 47w

I also know quite a few conservative Christians who do foster and adopt

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Anonymous #79 47w

Also, abortion isn’t a mercy killing. You can’t kill someone or something just because you presume that they’d suffer

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Tell me ur an incel without telling me

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Anonymous #78 47w

“Imminent danger” is subjective and when it left to the states, they can decide what they want to do with women’s bodies. When you keep abortion protected by the federal government, women will be protected from doctors who will not listen to them and from governments who want to decide what their body is capable of. If you have any points on how to make the adoption or foster system better I’ll be listening.

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Anonymous #46 47w

I have and I miscarried and honestly I’m happy cause now I get to travel with my own money and save that moment of my firstborn being born for someone I love.

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Anonymous #78 47w

Also making exceptions only for rape and incest not only will cause false accusations to be more common, but it will also cause a woman even more trauma if she finds out that she is pregnant and the only way she can take her life back is by telling everyone what she has been through.

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Anonymous #52 47w

Imminent danger is not subjective it’s based on science and medicine. I think that foster homes should be vetted to a close or same extent as the family adopting are and that social workers should take far more responsibility when it comes to checking in on children and ensuring they’re safe. The adoption process should be streamlined so that it doesn’t take years for a child to be adopted out of foster care. I’d much rather give my tax money to those causes than foreign wars

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Anonymous #78 47w

I also think the purchases made by foster families for their foster children should be closely monitored to ensure the money is being spent for the children and that the foster system is not being used as a second income for greedy families

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Anonymous #53 47w

Two person job yet one can overpower the other and illegally have sex with them….ok

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Anonymous #52 47w

Well if half of y’all’s argument is going to be based on women “needing” abortions because of those things happening, yeah it should be necessary. It should not be used lightly

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Anonymous #78 47w

Yes you’re right those situations should not be taken lightly. And yet they are. Sadly, people do not believe women even when the evidence is sitting right in front of them. So having exceptions for rape and incest does not make victims feel better whatsoever.

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Anonymous #78 47w

When is it used lightly? No one chooses to have an abortion because it’s easy. Anyone that has had one knows that it’s very traumatic to your body. It is a last resort. If birth control options were more readily available (and taught) abortions would have to occur as often as they do (which also isn’t very frequent)

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Anonymous #78 47w

Easy for you to say, I’m guessing you’ll never have to suffer through child birth

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Anonymous #70 47w

No one? Are you absolutely sure about that

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Anonymous #78 47w

Are you absolutely sure that they just “didn’t want it?” You think women are that stupid?

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Anonymous #52 47w

I am a woman and I do plan to have children. And if I got pregnant now, I’d have the baby. But continue to make assumptions about me and put women in an ideological box

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Anonymous #78 47w

Oh god that’s even worse. I really hope their children still know that they have bodily autonomy even if their mother was never taught that

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Anonymous #52 47w

I think it is often used simply as birth control. How about instead of advocating for abortion you advocate for better sex education and more readily available birth control?

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Anonymous #78 47w

LMFAO they’re taking that away too…you know..BIBLES in schools

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Anonymous #52 47w

That’s fairly misogynistic. Do you think all women have to think the same just because it’s how you think? As a woman I believe in the autonomy and importance of babies from the moment of conception. They’re human

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Anonymous #52 47w

“I think”

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Anonymous #52 47w

Stats don’t care about your thoughts

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Anonymous #52 47w

The main point was that these stats are likely skewed.

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Anonymous #78 47w

… it’s traumatic. No one comes to that decision lightly. Women are very in tune with our bodies. We recognize all of the emotions and realities that come with pregnancy and have to think of the positives and negatives of following through on that decision. It is not an easy choice to think of the consequences of such. People who choose to have an abortion are incredibly emotional about it but recognize it is in their best interest.

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Anonymous #78 47w

Yes perfect but your thoughts aren’t

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Anonymous #52 47w

You trust your own unprofessional knowledge because “you think” which is scary

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Anonymous #52 47w

But you’re speaking for ALL women without making concessions for those who do not fit the mold you’re creating. I said “I think” because you ended your question with “do you think women are that stupid?” You asked what I THINK so I said what I think.

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Anonymous #78 47w

Im happy you’ve made that decision, but I don’t think politicians should ever be in charge of medical decisions, it should only be between the woman, her doctor, and perhaps the partner (depending on situation). Pro-choice does not mean you HAVE to have an abortion, but that women are smart enough to choose what is best for them and giving them to resources to accomplish that.

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Anonymous #52 47w

Are you a professional

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Anonymous #70 47w

wow can you answer one question orrrr

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Anonymous #52 47w

Unless you’re a so called professional then you are also trusting your own unprofessional knowledge because of what you think.

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Anonymous #78 47w

Yes I do have my own opinions. But um STATS (which are facts btw) don’t lie

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Anonymous #52 47w

Well, they do. That’s the entire basis of statistical bias.

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Anonymous #78 47w

Okay so why do you think those specific stats have a ton of bias? All studies are going to have some bias that’s why there are peer reviews. So why do you think, after all of those peer reviews, that they’re still that skewed?

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Anonymous #52 47w

Well returning to my original comment, I am wondering if abortions were counted as “infant mortalities” or not. I imagine not, because that nomenclature would go against the pro-choice agenda. If more babies are being born, then there are going to be more deaths.

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Anonymous #52 47w

Also, I don’t think it’s just these stats it’s all stats. And also I didn’t say “a ton”

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Anonymous #78 47w

Also, just to be clear, there weren’t really any stats shown. The commenter just stated that deaths have gone up in Texas. So therefore we don’t have any singular study to base it on

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Anonymous #78 47w

The statistics of infant mortality do not include abortion, you’re right. They include children ranging from 1 day to 28 days old. The U.S.’s higher infant mortality rate is driven almost entirely by excess mortality among Individuals in lower socioeconomic status.

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Anonymous #52 47w

Right. So if more babies are brought to term and born due to abortion bans, there are consequently going to be more deaths by number. That’s the issue with stats— it comes down to nomenclature and the nature of the study.

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Anonymous #78 47w

Right but we’re going to see a rise in maternal death rates if abortion is banned and yet the access to women’s pre and postpartum care continues to be much lower than most other high-income countries. Some women also just can’t become pregnant, and if they do, it will likely kill them. But they won’t be in imminent danger so no provider can help save them in some states. Keeping abortion legal doesn’t mean that you should get an abortion or that you should use it as a form of birth control.

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Anonymous #52 47w

It’s just healthcare.

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Anonymous #33 47w

Maybe, but you still have to accept the fact that you just might. Unless the streets are barren, and even then, a car wreck is a possibility. That’s what happens when you have sex with another person: you don’t have to consent, but you do have to accept the potential reality that can result from it.

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Anonymous #52 47w

But it’s not just healthcare. It’s a life. That’s the basis of the issue. If you want to push for better pre and post natal care, better access to birth control, a better foster care system, that’s all incredible. But ultimately I feel that purposefully and knowingly aborting a fetus is wrong which is the basis of the abortion debate to begin with. Boiling it down to “just healthcare” also takes away from previous points made on the pro-choice side as to how hard and traumatic abortions are.

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Anonymous #78 47w

The fact of the matter though is that abortion is not banned. It’s been returned to the states so the people have the ultimate say in whether or not it’s legal. If it is genuinely that major of a concern, move. But if a state has an abortion ban it is because the majority of people voted for that, and that includes women.

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Anonymous #78 47w

I think it’s incredible that you care about children, as do I. I don’t think that just banning abortion will stop abortions from happening, only legal ones. So again, start with education and pre and post natal services, then we’ll talk about abortion

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Anonymous #81 47w

want. My mom isn’t who suffered from her consequence to the point conservatives think she did. I had a terrible childhood that ill never be able to recover from. I was beaten, almost k/lled, 🍇ed, shut out from the outside world, held hostage at knife point ect by my mom and her husband. So when I get asked how would you feel if your mom aborted you? I wouldnt know and I wouldnt have had to suffer the consequences of my mom having sex 🙄

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Sexuality isn’t a crime. It’s not something to be ashamed of. Why is it that you think the act of having sex disqualifies you from the right to bodily autonomy?

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Anonymous #81 47w

It’s actually the pro-choicers who believe the mother is the one who suffers. I’m sorry you went through all of that, but you’re one case out of many. And your life is still meaningful. Again though, I’m 100% for a complete overhaul of the foster care system for reasons like this. Immorality is immorality and you were hurt by immoral people.

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Anonymous #82 47w

Because sex is for the purpose of reproduction ultimately

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Anonymous #78 47w

As a pro choicer I believe it isn’t only the parent who suffers but children oftentimes. And this is not a rare case.

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Anonymous #33 47w

The thing is you can’t prove a negative. You can’t say that the kids who were aborted would’ve had a terrible life, because you don’t know. They should all get a chance. And if the entire system were better, that would be more viable. So I’d rather advocate for that than abortion.

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Anonymous #78 47w

the foster care system saved my life personally. If I didn’t go into the system I wouldve continued to suffer but I deal with horrible mental and physical conditions now from the abuse I faced and I know SO many kids just like me whos parent wish they aborted their kids and then they were horrifically abused until they got kicked out at 18 or younger. Any fetus that is aborted wouldn’t know they were aborted and I WOULDNT EITHER! thats why im pro choice because I really would rather not exist!

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Anonymous #81 47w

Well I’m sorry you feel that way. I hate that you feel that way honestly because you are important. If abuse is happening in the system, and I have no doubt that it is, then it needs to be fixed. But again, you’re speaking for all. Any of us could have been aborted but weren’t. And a lot of us are happy about that. Anyone can have a bad life.

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Anonymous #78 47w

yes, of course some people have great lives and deserve to be alive, but again. You wouldn’t even know you were never born. There would be nothing to mourn because you wouldn’t have the ability to perceive whether you existed or not. Children don’t have awareness until after 5 years old so how is a fetus going to know that it could have lived? Minus any religious belief scientifically they have no soul or consciousness and wouldn’t know. thats my own belief and why i’m pro choice

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Anonymous #14 47w

Yeah and abortion exists. Lol. Bye consequence. Who said we have to “play by the rules of nature”? Corny ah

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Anonymous #83 47w

Well and now there’s a consequence to abortion. You don’t have to play by the rules of nature, that’s what birth control and condoms are for.

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Anonymous #29 47w

A coma patient does not have to be kept in an unwilling persons body, causing irreversible damage and creating hospital bills along with lost wages. A fetus has not had a conscious experience, has its first thought after abortion is medically viable, and if an abortion is on the table it probably doesn’t have people waiting for it. We don’t give out citizenships to fetuses because they are not people yet, no more than the sperm or the egg were.

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Anonymous #81 47w

Well yeah that’s your belief. My belief is that regardless of the consciousness of the child, the parent is making a conscientious decision to end a life which is immoral. Just because the baby doesn’t “know” doesn’t mean it isn’t wrong. But agree to disagree

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Anonymous #78 47w

And where do you get your morals from

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Anonymous #52 47w

Where do you get yours from?? They’re ingrained in us as people. We have a moral basis of humanity— we all know murder is wrong, and if someone doesn’t believe that then they’re branded “sociopathic”. We all know right from wrong. The difference is I believe a fetus is a human life and therefore murdering it is wrong.

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Anonymous #78 47w

No, in most cases sex in for the purpose of pleasure. Sex exclusively for pleasure is extremely natural, and is found in many species. Condoms have existed since about 3000 bc for fucks sake. Stop it with all this “sex is just for reproduction, anything else is unnatural” bullshit.

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Anonymous #52 47w

If you’re fishing for a separation of church and state argument, you won’t get it. I AM a Christian, but simply on the basis of the law and common human decency, I believe it is wrong, illegal, and immoral to kill a fetus. Scientifically, it hits all markers of life from conception. Therefore, under the law, I think abortion should be looped in under murder. That’s it.

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Anonymous #78 47w

We all believe that murdering is wrong. But saying abortion is immoral and that it’s murder is pretty insensitive to the women who go through that emotional experience. No one wants to have an abortion, thats why it’s a necessity. I believe that banning abortion is murdering women and that’s why I think doing that is immoral

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Anonymous #52 47w

If you get an abortion it’s likely because you want to not have the baby. Murder is the conscious and purposeful termination of a life. Not all women who get pregnant and want abortions will die from their pregnancy, but 100% of aborted fetuses die.

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Anonymous #78 47w

How does it “scientifically hit all markers of life from conception”

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Anonymous #78 47w

I’m just confused on your logic of human indecency coming from someone who has already decided they will have children in the future. Just because you would be fine going through pregnancy does not mean another woman would too

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Anonymous #52 47w

It can respond to outside stimuli, take energy from its surroundings and convert it into food, reproduce cellularly, and can grow and develop. Life is also always built on at least one cell, and we ofc know that fetuses are made up of many cells

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Anonymous #52 47w

To be clear, I do not want children at this point in my life. I don’t feel ready for that. But if it were to happen for some reason, I’d accept that. If it did happen to me, it would be tragically. I’m abstinent for the purpose of not having children or risking pregnancy so it would be rape most likely. But abortion should not be an option. The easiest route is not always the most moral route 🤷🏼‍♀️

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Anonymous #78 47w

You can’t say that you would still keep the child even if you were raped if you have never been raped

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Anonymous #52 47w

(Not saying that’s the case though)

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Anonymous #52 47w

Well I can speak for myself. But you can’t speak for everyone in saying that 1) all abortions are necessary and 2) that the aborted fetuses are better off because they would’ve had a bad life anyways

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Anonymous #78 47w

That’s me saying that you cannot speak for everyone if you haven’t gone through it…

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Anonymous #78 47w

Also, I’ve never stated the argument that the child would have a bad life anyways

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Anonymous #78 47w

That definition has several errors, but I’m not going to pick them apart because frankly I can’t be fucked to. Firstly, under your logic every sperm would have the same rights, making all teenage boys guilty of mass homocide. Should we hold funerals every month for the lost egg during a woman’s period? Does every blood culture deserve a right to life, should everyone who harms you in any way be arrested for murder for ending the lives of so many of your cells? No, because that would be insanity.

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Anonymous #52 47w

I’m speaking for myself— I’m saying that as a woman, if it were to happen to me, I would not want the option of abortion. You don’t know what I have or haven’t been through. I can’t say that all women who have had unwanted pregnancies don’t want abortion, but it goes back to the main point that regardless, if you believe a fetus is a human life, it is wrong to end that life. The issue is that for some reason so many people have decided to set arbitrary dates of when a fetus is suddenly a life

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Anonymous #78 47w

So even if facts say that a fetus isn’t even classified as such until 9 weeks from conception, you would still count the clump of cells beforehand to be a life?

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Anonymous #82 47w

Eggs and sperm on their own are not human lives. We do place a special emphasis on human livelihood— for instance, I’m not vegan. Animals are living but I don’t think it’s immoral to kill them for food. If you want to argue that human lives aren’t more important than other lives than so be it. But my definition IS the scientific definition of life, and fetuses ARE human.

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Anonymous #78 47w

That’s just plain wrong actually, fetuses are not counted in the infant mortality rate because they aren’t infants, but even if they were included it’s not 100% of babies? Like it’s not even a prominent number of pregnancies

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Anonymous #52 47w

It’s living yeah

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Anonymous #82 47w

What’s not a prominent number of pregnancies?

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Anonymous #78 47w

They are living human cells, no less living or human than when they combine. And don’t deflect to whatever the fuck that veganism and animal argument is. Keep it focused.

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Anonymous #33 47w

If you get in a car, you are consenting to the possible risks of being on the road. You could die in a wreck any day. So yes you are consenting to that.

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Anonymous #82 47w

It’s not deflecting. I’m stating a separate example of life which is acceptable to terminate. They are a different thing upon combination. On their own, eggs and sperm are nothing but an egg and sperm. When they combine, they create a fetus which is a human being who deserves to be born and live whatever life they’ll live.

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Anonymous #82 47w

I’m not saying it’s unnatural to have sex for pleasure. I’m saying that when you do have sex for pleasure you also have to accept that there is a possibility of pregnancy

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Anonymous #78 47w

Pregnancies ending in abortion are not a prominent percent of pregnancies. About 11 in 1000, or 1.1%. That’s not a 100% infant mortality rate.

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Anonymous #78 47w

Also, human eggs left unfertilized die NATURALLY 24 hours after leaving the ovary. A natural death and a forced one are not the same

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Anonymous #78 47w

But my point is that we can’t measure if something is a human life by the signs of cellular life, as then every cell in your body would have individual rights. That’s the issue with from conception arguments

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Anonymous #82 47w

Well either it’s a viable human life from conception or never at all. Because it’s the same person from then on. Any other date set is arbitrary.

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Anonymous #78 47w

A viable human being that can survive outside of the uterus with or without medical assistance…

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Anonymous #78 47w

You’re saying that as soon as fertilization happens, it’s viable outside the womb…

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Anonymous #52 47w

Well what’s the cutoff then? And how do you know? The earliest successful premie birth was 21 weeks. Is that the cutoff? Are you okay with late term abortions? It’s a slippery slope.

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Anonymous #52 47w

No. I’m saying as soon as fertilization occurs, it is a human life with inherent value

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Anonymous #78 47w

That might be situational. But it’s certainly not viable within the first two months of pregnancy. It needs to many nutrients from the mother that only the mother can give them. Late-term abortions happen because the mother’s life is in danger or it’s an ectopic pregnancy. It’s really not a slippery slope and hasn’t been since Roe v. Wade. But now that’s overturned

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Anonymous #78 47w

You are creating an arbitrary point in time yourself. Any sperm could be viable to enter an egg, any egg could be viable to take a sperm. To deny that possible person life is to deny them the right to life, is it not?

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Anonymous #82 47w

So now an egg is viable and is now a human life

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Anonymous #32 47w

Then use preventative BC, abstain, or adoption.

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Anonymous #87 47w

Or maybe here’s an option…wear a damn condom

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Anonymous #52 47w

Condoms aren’t 100% effective 🤪

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Anonymous #51 47w

I honestly don’t understand how this come T has any down votes. We are all in college right? Is common sense offensive to you?

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Anonymous #62 47w

Masks don’t put people in jail anymore than having a child would.

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Anonymous #52 47w

Good thing abortion will never be illegal the government would never allow that. Currently it’s up to the states and that’s a fact, Congress would never pass a national abortion ban

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Anonymous #88 47w

Oh okay so some women can have access to healthcare and others won’t.

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Anonymous #78 47w

It’s also for pleasure but it is the one and only way we get more people too. Sooooo.

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Anonymous purp_diamond 47w

not in this case. roe v wade protected the right to privacy and now that it’s overturned HIPAA isn’t as effective as it should be. that’s why we have these graphs. This includes medical reports and websites you visit. they just banned online porn in indiana because now they can see control what you look up

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Anonymous #69 47w

Nice try, but you got the analogy wrong 🥰

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Anonymous #69 47w

It’s called an analogy babe 😍

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Anonymous #33 47w

Just playing devils advocate but getting in a car dosent really make sense. You aren’t always the decider on accidents. I see where you were going but it dosent really work

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Anonymous #53 47w

Who else does an abortion affect and have you ever been to a high school health class

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Anonymous #32 47w

What do you mean getting pregnant is a DIRECT result of sex

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Anonymous #33 47w

You are accepting the possible consequences just because you don’t want it doesn’t mean it can’t happen and by driving you’re acknowledging that the reward of getting to a destination by a personal vehicle is worth the risk of getting into an accident

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Anonymous #33 47w

Well no shit if you die you do t deal with consequences

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Anonymous #82 47w

ok you make 3 points. fetus has no rights bc 1:uses moms body to survive, 2: no conscious experience 3: no one wants it if it’s aborted, and 4: it’s not a human, it’s just a human cell like a sperm. if you have read any of my arguments, then you would know that 1-3 hold no significant if 4 is false. And 4 is scientifically false. a fetus is its own human, separate from a sperm and egg. highschool biology. sperm and eggs are haploid gametes, containing a portion of dna from the body that…

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Anonymous #29 47w

underwent meiosis. when a sperm and egg join, a new, genetically unique, human is formed. This human has never existed before and will never exist again. This is how human reproduction operates, and every person typing on this yik yak’s life’s started this way. the fetus is a human being. 1-3 hold no water if you believe in equal rights. the only argument that holds water is bodily autonomy>fetus right to life. but as explained, I think that argument is self-defeating.

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Anonymous #76 47w

i actually think most people are not trying to saying it should be used as literal birth control 😭 we’re fighting for the right to literally just decide what happens with our own body’s. a lot of blame gets put on women for unwanted pregnancies but last i checked it takes two to tango

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Anonymous #83 47w

Damn I wish I could say this about not doing my homework, or you know, maybe probably killing someone, “I don’t have to play by the rules of nature, so I’m not going to jail. Bye consequences.” You sound so stupid

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Anonymous #82 47w

So I don’t consent to getting in a wreck tomorrow when I drive to work… do you actually think that’s going to stop something happening at all? Or get me out of responsibility for the crash and people’s lives? Our whole life is a gamble, it you don’t like the possible outcome, don’t do it!!

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Omg I love this!! I’ll be using that😂

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Anonymous #20 47w

If only he had a bigger sign so he could include that

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Anonymous #33 47w

Actually, that’s exactly what it means. That’s where the concept of responsibility comes to play.

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Anonymous #82 47w

Y’all are feigning ignorance. You know just as well as I do that a fetus has more value than an egg or sperm separately. The egg and sperm have to come together to create the fetus— we don’t say that chicken eggs are “alive” until they’re fertilized. Same with human eggs. Also, the definition of viable is “capable of working successfully; feasible” which a fetus is from the moment of conception. It may not be able to live outside of the uterus, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t viable. It just

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Anonymous #78 47w

Isn’t by YOUR definition. The point is that a fetus is a human life and deserves rights from its conception. Obviously you’re lost and that’s okay. I’m not arguing anymore because truthfully there’s no breaking through. If you can’t see the sanctity of human life, you’re a sociopath.

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Anonymous #33 47w

But you could die in a wreck, you have no say and by getting in the car you accept the possibility that you die in a wreck.

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Anonymous #100 47w

Let me terminate my pregnancy as to not introduce a child into this world that is not only unwanted, but will not be supported

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Anonymous #93 47w

i agree it takes two parties. but if you wanna say that, it’s also 2 peoples baby. so should both parties have to agree to the abortion for it to happen. i am a woman btw

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Anonymous #20 47w

if you’re claiming you were raped and you weren’t thereby taking resources from people (and children) who actually suffered that hell you are a terrible person 💙

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Anonymous #62 47w

The difference is that a fetus (literally just Latin for baby) IS GOING TO keep growing and, more quickly than most people realize, is going to develop consciousness, nerve endings, feelings, etc. The vegetative state argument doesn’t make sense because we almost never know if patients in those states will recover. Left un-interrupted, the human WILL keep developing. And the unborn baby is NOT a parasite, as it actually gives the mother stem cells via the blood to help heal while she is pregnant

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Anonymous #102 47w

I encourage anyone interested to do more research on the positive impacts of pregnancy that make it much more closely related to a symbiotic relationship than a parasitic one. It’s well known that being pregnant can cause heath issues, but being pregnant can actually also cause some diseases, like arthritis, to go into remission. Yes, it is extremely hard on the body. But it’s weird and heartbreaking to me that because women have been ignored so long in our struggles

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Anonymous #102 47w

And the bad things we go through in pregnancies that we’ve began to resent pregnancy itself, instead of the institutions that told us we were crazy. Why hate on the miracle of birth and human development, when the real evil is the sexism, the being ignored or not taken seriously, the being left out of health trials for centuries? Why take it out on fetuses, babies, pregnancies, birth, whatever language we want to use for it? It’s not babies faults we have generational trauma

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Anonymous #49 47w

difference is that pregnancy can cause so many issues in a woman’s body and not a man’s. yeah it’s a consequence but guys would be livid if all women didn’t want to fuck anymore bc of the risk of a baby. like pick a struggle? guys risk an std and knocking a girl up, the woman risks her life

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Anonymous #78 47w

It’s the scientific definition of a viable fetus…a fetus that has reached a certain point in development where it can survive outside the uterus is known as viable. Just look it up.

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Anonymous #20 47w

Or wrap it up and pull out and make sure they are doing that 👍 sex is for the responsible not the irresponsible

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and can you IMAGINE how full and overpacked they are? that’s not an option for some people who may not have one nearby and have to go to a hospital instead, where they’ll go into debt due to medical bills they can’t afford

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additionally, planned parenthood is not just an abortion clinic. they do cancer screenings, sti testing, healthcare education, mental health services, pregnancy testing, ultrasounds, please do your fucking research! of COURSE there are less of these since they’ve been banned

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Anonymous #52 47w

No one is arguing for abortions that women just want, especially after about 22 weeks depending on the specific pregnancy, because that is when the fetus is actually viable (it can live outside the uterus). Saying that I am a sociopath because I care about the health of women and the health of the mother, especially before the fetus can actually survive outside the womb isn’t a symptom of sociopathy. That would be someone who lacks empathy and shows no regard for right and wrong.

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Anonymous #52 47w

Putting what you believe over scientific facts because you’ve been taught your entire life that life begins at conception (believe me I know, I went to youth group for a long time) is part of the reason why people stay ignorant and don’t research. They’re stubborn on their ideas because they want to have strong opinions and the longer you’re taught something, the more you believe it. I used to believe the same things as you. Then I researched.

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Anonymous #52 47w

Also fun fact, it takes about 21 days for a chicken egg to hatch naturally…there really are not many comparisons between birds and humans…

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Anonymous #33 47w

If you use your reproductive organs. You may reproduce 🤣 not a crazy concept 🤩

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Anonymous #106 47w

Yes and how many men do you know that you think are really that responsible. When it’s not a man’s body, he may think not using a condom is a “oops hehe whatever” but for a woman it could change her entire life. You’d be surprised how many men ignore that.

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Anonymous #33 47w

You do recognize it as a possible outcome yet you drive anyway, and yes if you get in a car wreck and die, you automatically consent to it.

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Anonymous #49 47w

are you a man ??

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Anonymous teapotshortnstout 47w

Who’s “those people”😭 I’ve never once heard that before in my life

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Anonymous #23 47w

Also that’s probably because abortion is such a hot button topic. I know lots of conservatives who are all for better sex education. The problem is that politics have gotten so divisive these days that people exist in echo chambers. The only way to see differing political opinions is to go looking for them. Mainstream media is all incredibly left leaning

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Anonymous #37 47w

Why are you lumping on issues that aren’t being discussed? I see no reason for that. Also, no one believes in outlawing gay sex. What people do behind closed doors is none of our business

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Anonymous #111 47w

Genuine question, if the media is truly incredibly left leaning and that actually has any real political implementation then sex Ed would be mandatory across the country and there wouldn’t be a fight over abortion legislation, it would just remain as has been, no?

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Anonymous #37 47w

So many people who claim they’re pro choice are actually just pro abortion

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Anonymous #105 47w

I doubt they’re overpacked considering most people who have unwanted pregnancies these days just get abortions tbh

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Anonymous #93 47w

I’m a woman and I say the same. If you’re gonna have sex use protection. Sex can cause pregnancy and to pretend otherwise is just silly

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Anonymous #32 47w

Why get pregnant in the first place then

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Anonymous #62 47w

I’m not saying adoption agencies, they’re fucked and I hate how kids end up living their whole lives jumping between awful families, what I’m talking about is giving it to a family who literally physically cannot have a kid and would love to adopt yours.

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Anonymous #111 47w

because they’re both based on the rights of individuals. a lot of “pro-lifers” are homophobic and transphobic because they believe they have a right to control anyone’s body on the matter of sex, gender, and family. point blank not that hard to understand

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Anonymous #111 47w

also you do know that pro-choice means pro the right to CHOOSE if you want an abortion, right?

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Anonymous #32 47w

Don’t have sex if you don’t want a kid. Simple as that. And yes, this applies equally to men and women.

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Anonymous #100 47w

Yes just don’t have sex!! Like this argument ever fucking worked

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Anonymous #52 47w

I’m aware it’s not a popular idea, nor is it easy to restrain from it. However, if you want to ensure you don’t get pregnant it’s the only full proof method. Have sex if you want, but if you get pregnant you don’t then get to murder the baby because of your poor choices.

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Anonymous #111 47w

i think you’re forgetting that there are abortion bans in so many states and abortion isn’t really an option for many women out there, especially everyone in the south where abortion is almost completely banned

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Anonymous #37 47w

No, that isn’t true. While there may be a minority of extremists who hold antagonistic viewpoints (outliers that the majority does not agree with nor associate with), the majority of conservatives just want people to be able to chase their dreams and mind their own. Like I don’t GAF who you sleep with, you do your thing and I’ll do mine. I do have issue when it comes to this though because reducing abortion to a “medical procedure” is frankly just sad

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Anonymous #111 47w

It’s not that easy anymore in states like Florida where you can’t get an abortion by the time you know you’re pregnant

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Anonymous #37 47w

Also of course I know what pro-choice means. I was just making a point that a lot of people who say they’re pro choice go so hard for abortion rights that it comes across as being pro abortion

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Anonymous #100 47w

I think you’re forgetting that men also have to agree not to even have conversations about sex with their female partners for your method to work. Men’s libido is higher than women’s and many girls feel like they’ve got to satiate the beast or they’re a bad girlfriend

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Anonymous #23 47w

Yes. I agree.

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Anonymous #100 47w

By “even conversations about sex” I mean men would have to be discouraged from proposing sex

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Anonymous #100 47w

Word. I’m glad you think so because I’m literally watching 70% of the pro lifers in this comment section telling women to close their legs when it takes two to tango

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Anonymous #23 47w

Yeah no that’s ridiculous. As you said, it’s takes two people to make a baby. Both the mother and father, should help raise and support the child, to give him/her the best chance at life possible.

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Anonymous #100 47w

Word on that

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Anonymous #23 47w

I don’t think they’re telling women to close their legs. I think they’re telling anyone who doesn’t want children to not have sex. Or at least to use protection.

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Anonymous #100 47w

For conversations sake how do you think we should discourage the idea that men’s sexuality is this uncontrollable thing ? Since like I said studies show that this idea causes many women especially working class women to just submit when male partners and men in their lives propose sex

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Anonymous #111 47w

The phrase close your legs has been said like 7 times in this comment section

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Anonymous #23 47w

I come at this from a religious perceptive. That sin outside of marriage is a sin and that life begins a conception. Going off that, any sin outside of marriage and abortions are sins. We need to strive to resist sin, and protect the innocent. So how difficult it is for men to control their sex drive is moot. It’s our cross to bear (assuming it’s true).

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Anonymous #42 47w

the thing is there is no ethical/pain free adoption in america. adopted kids have a significantly higher rate of mental health issues, suicide, and receiving abuse from these couples who “would love to adopt yours”. adopted kids experience deep rooted trauma from the moment they are separated from their families, and most adoptive families neglect these factors and take it out on the kids.

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Anonymous #32 47w

But that is the consequences of sex. The point of sex is to procreate. That's the whole reason sex exists.

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Anonymous #100 47w

But I assume you agree with an abortion ban? So how do you get non religious men to buy into the whole thing and make an abortion ban plausible and not just women’s literal cross to bear in practice

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Anonymous #113 47w

Is that why you have sex?

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Anonymous #33 47w

This isn't a good analogy cause the point of driving is to get to where you're going, not die in a wreck. Getting in a wreck is a potential side consequence. The point of sex is procreation, a side consequence would be getting an std. you're comparing a side consequence to the literal purpose of something

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Anonymous #111 47w

then why can’t you mind your own damn business if someone wants an abortion? it’s a perpetuated lie that conservatives just want to “mind their own” and straight up propaganda to convince non-conservatives that their movement actively threatens human rights. the conservative right is the party that has policed individuals and their bodies throughout political history.

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Anonymous #113 47w

guys it’s 2024 we all know that sex is no longer just to “create life”. in fact sex has never been just about creating life, we have historical evidence that sex was often done purely for pleasurable means all throughout history.

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Anonymous #37 47w

Because when a woman becomes pregnant it is no longer just her body. She is growing a life

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Anonymous #111 47w

It’s literally something inside HER body and until it’s viable and won’t kill the mother, it actually is just her body.

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Anonymous #23 47w

That’s an excellent question, and I’m afraid I don’t have a great answer. I’m incredibly conflicted on the idea of a national abortion ban. I think there is a legal, constitutional argument, but it’s weak. As for making non religious people to buy into it. I’m not sure. I think especially with how society continues to become more and more liberal, and reject the notion of God, that has become increasingly difficult, the same way no one will ever be able to convince me abortion is good.

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Anonymous #14 47w

so ur okay with becoming a dad everytime you decide to instead ur penis into a woman?

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Anonymous #114 47w

Yes that is literally to risk to the reward

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Anonymous #74 47w

“Reward” is crazy

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Anonymous #33 47w

How could you equate dying to becoming a parent

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Anonymous #115 47w

The maternal mortality rate is no joke

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Anonymous #100 47w

Then I would say people shouldn’t push for a ban or even the stricter regulations until that question can be answered, otherwise women will be at fault for not putting out as they typically are and will be at fault for “spreading their legs” as they typically are. The burden shouldn’t fall on one group either way if both people are equally responsible

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Anonymous #23 47w

I never said it was

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Anonymous #115 47w

Well you asked a question and I answered

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Anonymous #22 47w

How about controlling men though? It takes two to make a child

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Anonymous #62 47w

If you choose to get an abortion you should pay for it, and you know what if you can’t pay for it, the father should help and if he can’t, then both families should, then at least the main two people responsible (man and woman) will be held accountable and not taxpayers who really shouldn’t have to pay for all of them.

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Anonymous #82 47w

Bodily autonomy comes with responsibility and accountability for your actions. As any kind of freedom usually does. Asking for freedom without responsibility is foolish and ignorant because more than likely not get what you want

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Anonymous #115 47w

Then why do only women have to pay for it and men don’t. Men chose to have sex too

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Anonymous #115 47w

You’re right, but you should also be proposing a way to keep men equally accountable for what they do with their bodies otherwise there is responsibility for bodily autonomy for one gender and not the other and you can’t operate a society like that and not expect people to be dissatisfied with a clear legal disparity.

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Anonymous #23 47w

I said both

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Anonymous #23 47w

But I could also say that if it’s only a woman’s choice and not a man’s then she should be expected to pay it

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Anonymous #115 47w

But that is only a strict interpretation of if you want the full right to a decision the you also deserve the cost

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Anonymous #115 47w

What do you mean by if you want the full right to a decision you also deserve the cost

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Anonymous #115 47w

And if you already said both then what’s your proposal?

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Anonymous #33 47w

Too bad. You don’t get to choose.

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Anonymous #83 47w

Women don’t have to pay for anything. If they don’t want to get pregnant then they should take the necessary precautions. I know I do