Sure but you have to acknowledge there is a difference between choosing not to mourn and posting about choosing not to mourn. I don’t think anyone really has a problem with the former. But when u post that ur not mourning ur really making a political statement and u can pretend otherwise but u know thats what ur doing. You don’t post about all the other people in the world who died recently that you aren’t mourning.
Yes the post references Charlie Kirk indirectly but the post says they don’t believe anyone should die due to “political views” I said I absolutely disagree because I don’t think those that celebrate the dark history of Germany should be allowed to live. So idk why you’re acting stupid but you should use your context clues like a big boy. If I wanted to call Charlie that directly, I would have but I was responding to the take that all “political views” should be respected.
No the conversation was about respecting different political views. Obviously it’s indirectly referring Kirk but that’s not what my response highlighted. Kirk was probably that in some ways but I really don’t care what he was because he was a POS regardless. My point was general. Hope this helps!
as a person who actually got to speak to the man, he was a lot more than a "rage baiter". all the videos online portray him one way but the reality is that he believed in our generation. i understand a lot of people don't align with his political views and that's okay but to some people he was the voice who gave them the courage to speak up for what they believe in and to not be afraid to be their authentic self out of fear of being disliked.
Can we stop classifying racism and bigotry as “political views.” Those have nothing to do with politics and everything to do with your character. You can feel empathy for him but do not chalk his bigoted view points down to “politics” because this is why people feel okay saying the most vile shit about minorities, because they can hide behind saying that “it’s just politics” so they don’t have to face any accountability for what they are saying.
You said there were ONLY scholarships for minorities. That’s not true. There are scholarships for everything and white people can benefit from minority scholarships simply from going to a school where they’re a minority. Also to increase diversity. You’re making it sound like a school is plucking a random black person off the street and giving them a full ride cause they’re black lol.
Idk maybe because minorites weren’t allowed to go to college for a good chunk of American history so there were efforts to increase the number which is not the same as “just handing it out”. The same reason they offer scholarships for legacy students or for different sororities or fraternities that no one has a problem with.
Learn to read your own words? There are scholarships only for minorities like there are scholarships only for Jewish people, Italians, people with dwarfism, and racial minorities WITHIN a school that white people can ALSO get. That’s like saying vegans get everything handed to them cause there a vegan dish at a restaurant when there’s also dishes for vegetarians, omnivores, meats eaters, and paleo too
Others having equality and equity does NOT detract from the benefits you had handed to you from the start. Also, do you know who Ruby Bridges is? Yeah? She’s still very much alive. As are many of the people who wanted her dead for going to school, who threatened to poison her lunches, who still think Black people don’t deserve to exist in a non-segregated society let alone even be alive. They past that sentiment to many of their kids, and then theirs. This bullshit is STILL harming people.
Okay but if u agree why did u post this then? Like ur water is water thing applies to ur own post. Not even the staunchest of conservatives are out here saying u should be personally mourning at least that I’ve seen, they’re only responding to public statements of not mourning. Since you agree that’s a different thing you’re arguing with no one.
Or you just don’t get my point. No one who said they weren’t mourning was pretending they weren’t making a political statement, just like the ones celebrating weren’t. But it seems you think making a political statement about a political influencer is bad? Even though people vocally mourning and saying people shouldn’t announce not mourning is a political statement in and of itself.
No im just trying to say that you’re shadowboxing. Aka no one is disagreeing with you. I think you’re trying to engage with the argument I outlined earlier in which people would disagree but by not committing to that line you have a more defensible position. However this is either dishonest or just pointless
A false dichotomy was being presented in these discussions where someone is either vocally celebrating or vocally mourning based on if they think someone should die due to their political views. I’m saying that while I agree no one should die, there’s a third option: That people who disagree with your views don’t have to mourn your death even if they aren’t celebrating it.
Idk, man. Saying ‘Hitler caused genocide’ and ‘Kirk just shares opinions’ kind of disconnects ideology from outcome. I mean, genocide didn’t just happen. It was fueled and justified by political ideology - especially one that targeted marginalized groups and spread gradually over time. Hitler’s speeches and rallies weren’t harmless. They were the conduit for building the moral framework that allowed genocide to feel justified - and that’s exactly how Hitler ‘caused genocide’.
He also had plenty of people “on the ground” who didn’t touch any weapons. A lot of people forget that the Holocaust was not an overnight event. It took YEARS before the camps were opened and gassing and non-stop murder occurred. It took over a decade for them to open and reach the level they did.
The camps didn’t start or end with Jews, either. Started with Germans associated with the Communist Party of Germany. Then anyone showing resistance. Then the racial profiling picked up more. Then general criminals and “asocial” people (Roma and Sinti, Disabled, Queer, alcoholic, homeless, nomadic, sex worker, interracial couples, etc) were encamped. Many “asocials” who survived were still left in prisons to suffer and be forgotten after the camps were shut down.