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People shouldn’t die because of their political views but other people should be able to decide if they mourn you based on them
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Anonymous 1w

they making it seem like he was a positive influence as if he didn’t rage bait everyone for a living 😐 then to focally blame it on political party is numb nuts

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Anonymous 1w

I don’t think people should have to mourn him, but I don’t think people should be celebrating, making a mockery, or rejoicing.

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Anonymous 1w

Spreading hate speech and calling for violence isn’t a “political view”, it’s being a piece of shit. Nobody should ever be murdered, but don’t pretend he deserves to be mourned.

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Anonymous 1w

PREACHHH

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Anonymous 1w

The whole point is hating an entire group just for being that group. And then wanting them all to die. But when I say that am I talking about you or n@zis

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Anonymous 1w

Not mourning someone and celebrating someone’s death are two totally different things…

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Anonymous 1w

i agree with this 1000%. You can choose to mourn who you want, but never should we celebrate the loss of a man just because you don't agree with what he says. my prayers are going out to the kirk family.

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Anonymous 1w

This was a delicious take

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Anonymous 1w

y'all would have grieved hitler

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Anonymous 1w

Death is not forgiveness!!!!

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Anonymous 1w

There’s a difference between not mourning and celebrating someone’s murder

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Anonymous 1w

Bro I didn’t even like Kirk, but free speech is called free speech for a f***king reason, some of yall are actually insane for glorifying d**th over someone’s political views 💀 A wife lost her husband and some kids lost their father. Bffr…

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Anonymous 1w

there is a difference between not mourning and celebrating

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Anonymous 1w

Sure but you have to acknowledge there is a difference between choosing not to mourn and posting about choosing not to mourn. I don’t think anyone really has a problem with the former. But when u post that ur not mourning ur really making a political statement and u can pretend otherwise but u know thats what ur doing. You don’t post about all the other people in the world who died recently that you aren’t mourning.

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Anonymous 1w

I absolutely disagree. Any far right n@zi 100% deserves to die

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1w

Kinda backwards to say anyone from a certain group deserves to die Then also call them a nazi no?

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1w

How is it backwards… if that’s what they identify as. This is why they are proud to march around spreading hate. Grow a pair.

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1w

Sorry, when did Kirk identify as a “Nazi”

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 1w

Sorry when did I say Kirk was a “nazi”

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 1w

well hitler said he was a socialist so he’s actually a good guy ass comment. do you think people need to say it out loud for it to be true?

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1w

Well this conversation is about Kirk, and you said Nazis deserve to die…

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 1w

They said the word “identifying”

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 1w

nice rebuttal. sorry people aren’t perfect when they’re typing on a tiny screen fueled with rage against a facist

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Anonymous replying to -> #10 1w

Are you talking about me or things you’ve seen in general? Cause my post doesn’t mention glorifying what happened or a widow and orphaned kids.

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 1w

In general and some of the replies

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Anonymous replying to -> #10 1w

Gotcha

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Anonymous replying to -> #13 1w

No one deserves to be killed. And especially not infront of their family.

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1w

You literally commented under a post about Charlie Kirk and then said “any far right n@zi 100% deserves to die” lol incase you forgot

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Anonymous replying to -> #18 1w

Yes the post references Charlie Kirk indirectly but the post says they don’t believe anyone should die due to “political views” I said I absolutely disagree because I don’t think those that celebrate the dark history of Germany should be allowed to live. So idk why you’re acting stupid but you should use your context clues like a big boy. If I wanted to call Charlie that directly, I would have but I was responding to the take that all “political views” should be respected.

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 1w

No the conversation was about respecting different political views. Obviously it’s indirectly referring Kirk but that’s not what my response highlighted. Kirk was probably that in some ways but I really don’t care what he was because he was a POS regardless. My point was general. Hope this helps!

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Anonymous replying to -> #13 1w

as a person who actually got to speak to the man, he was a lot more than a "rage baiter". all the videos online portray him one way but the reality is that he believed in our generation. i understand a lot of people don't align with his political views and that's okay but to some people he was the voice who gave them the courage to speak up for what they believe in and to not be afraid to be their authentic self out of fear of being disliked.

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Anonymous replying to -> #10 1w

Hate speech is not protected under the Constitution but is under tRumpistan dictatorship.

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Anonymous replying to -> #23 1w

Hitler caused genocide, Mr Kirk shared his political opinions around the us

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Anonymous replying to -> #24 1w

Hate speech and inciting violence is not “political opinion”. kkkirk does not deserve mourning. He signed that away when he abandoned his humanity.

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Anonymous replying to -> #21 1w

Can we stop classifying racism and bigotry as “political views.” Those have nothing to do with politics and everything to do with your character. You can feel empathy for him but do not chalk his bigoted view points down to “politics” because this is why people feel okay saying the most vile shit about minorities, because they can hide behind saying that “it’s just politics” so they don’t have to face any accountability for what they are saying.

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Anonymous replying to -> #17 1w

literally this.

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Anonymous replying to -> #17 1w

If that’s their true character they can’t be saved.

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Anonymous replying to -> #26 1w

If you’ve ever actually watched him speak, you would know he isn’t racist. He genuinely believe in equality which is why minorities shouldn’t be getting things handed to them.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

We don’t get anything handed to us. Never have and never will. It’s a coping mechanism because we’re getting jobs whites don’t think we’re capable enough to have. Cope.

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1w

How come there are scholarships only for minorities? Why is the acceptance rate for minorities higher?

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Be smarter and maybe you’ll get a scholarship

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

To be fair you can get scholarships for anything, including being from a (typically) white heritage like Italian or Irish or Jewish etc. And you can get scholarships for being just white if you go to a majority non-White school.

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Anonymous replying to -> #11 1w

I did get one for over $80k 😀😀

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Then why are you sitting here bitching

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 1w

True but there are more scholarships for black people and schools wants them there to increase diversity

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

You said there were ONLY scholarships for minorities. That’s not true. There are scholarships for everything and white people can benefit from minority scholarships simply from going to a school where they’re a minority. Also to increase diversity. You’re making it sound like a school is plucking a random black person off the street and giving them a full ride cause they’re black lol.

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 1w

Learn to ready buddy. There are scholarships that are only for minorities. They have more scholarship opportunities. I literally said I have a large scholarship.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Idk maybe because minorites weren’t allowed to go to college for a good chunk of American history so there were efforts to increase the number which is not the same as “just handing it out”. The same reason they offer scholarships for legacy students or for different sororities or fraternities that no one has a problem with.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

You’re an idiot 😭😭😭

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Yeah I’m black and didn’t get anything like that. So where were the scholarships I get for being black?

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1w

Which had nothing to do with the current generation going to college. Why should they get benefits for something they did not have to go through. Pick a struggle

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Anonymous replying to -> #22 1w

sadly hate speech often is part of extremist political views, which means it is both. but yeah, he didn't deserve to be murdered but he doesn't deserve to be mourned by more than family and those actually close him

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

??? Do you understand that the past affects the future????

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Are you stupid??

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1w

Do you understand that no one who is currently alive was a slave or owned a slave??

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Do you understand that there was segregation and Jim Crow long past slavery?????

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

You literally are a fucking idiot. Oh my God

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Slavery didn’t just end and everything was okay????

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Learn to read your own words? There are scholarships only for minorities like there are scholarships only for Jewish people, Italians, people with dwarfism, and racial minorities WITHIN a school that white people can ALSO get. That’s like saying vegans get everything handed to them cause there a vegan dish at a restaurant when there’s also dishes for vegetarians, omnivores, meats eaters, and paleo too

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1w

And did that personally affect you either?

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

YES IT FUCKIN DID

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

MY GRANDMOTHER LIVED THROUGH THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT AND HER PARENTS MOVED FROM THE SOUTH DUE TO RACIAL TENSION AND LACK OF OPPORTUNITY

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

ARE YOU DEADASS???

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1w

And what did that do to YOU personally? How did that make a difference in YOUR future. What did YOU go through to need to play the victim

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

ME PERSONALLY? I WENT THROUGH GETTING CALLED THE N WORD, BEING CALLED OUT IN CLASS UNPROVOKED, PEOPLE LOCKING THEIR DOORS WHEN I WALK PAST, PEOPLE EXCLUDING ME AND MORE

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

#30: Nothing bad affected you personally #1: Names how something affected their immediate family directly #30: You’re playing the victim! I get why you like Kirk now

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

YOU ARE THE VICTIM SAYING THAT BLACK PEOPLE GET SCHOLARSHIPS TO GO TO COLLEGE

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

YOU ARE THE VICTIM THAT THINKS EQUAL OPPORTUNITY OPPRESSED WHITES

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

YOU ARE THE VICTIM THAT USES YOUR IGNORANCE TO PLAY DUMB AND IGNORE HISTORY

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

YOU ARE A WASTE OF SPACE

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 1w

Nothing bad affected me personally? In a racial way, no. But in many other ways, yes.

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Anonymous 1w

So saying someone else shouldn’t get scholarships based on something you can’t also benefit from isn’t a victim mentality to you. It’s just true. But someone acknowledging their family history (which is also just true) IS a victim mentality.

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Anonymous replying to -> #30 1w

Others having equality and equity does NOT detract from the benefits you had handed to you from the start. Also, do you know who Ruby Bridges is? Yeah? She’s still very much alive. As are many of the people who wanted her dead for going to school, who threatened to poison her lunches, who still think Black people don’t deserve to exist in a non-segregated society let alone even be alive. They past that sentiment to many of their kids, and then theirs. This bullshit is STILL harming people.

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Anonymous replying to -> #18 1w

tbh minorities in america are killed everyday in front of children/ family so ! after all what has happened these past 6-9 months now ppl wanna talk about “no one deserves to be killed” stfu as if he didn’t make his bed when he opened his mouth

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Anonymous replying to -> #32 1w

Yes commenting about a political influencer’s death is an inherently political act whether you’re mourning, celebrating, or neutral. In other news water is still water even when it’s ice or steam.

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 1w

Okay but if u agree why did u post this then? Like ur water is water thing applies to ur own post. Not even the staunchest of conservatives are out here saying u should be personally mourning at least that I’ve seen, they’re only responding to public statements of not mourning. Since you agree that’s a different thing you’re arguing with no one.

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Anonymous replying to -> #32 1w

Or you just don’t get my point. No one who said they weren’t mourning was pretending they weren’t making a political statement, just like the ones celebrating weren’t. But it seems you think making a political statement about a political influencer is bad? Even though people vocally mourning and saying people shouldn’t announce not mourning is a political statement in and of itself.

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 1w

No im just trying to say that you’re shadowboxing. Aka no one is disagreeing with you. I think you’re trying to engage with the argument I outlined earlier in which people would disagree but by not committing to that line you have a more defensible position. However this is either dishonest or just pointless

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Anonymous replying to -> #32 1w

A false dichotomy was being presented in these discussions where someone is either vocally celebrating or vocally mourning based on if they think someone should die due to their political views. I’m saying that while I agree no one should die, there’s a third option: That people who disagree with your views don’t have to mourn your death even if they aren’t celebrating it.

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 1w

Okay. I see what ur getting at now, thanks for clearing it up.

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Anonymous replying to -> #26 1w

Exactly. That or “it’s just words.” Hitler never directly killed anyone. He just had “politics.” Why is racism now a political view? It’s violent hate speech. It’s okay to hate people based on factors they CAN change.

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Anonymous replying to -> #24 1w

Idk, man. Saying ‘Hitler caused genocide’ and ‘Kirk just shares opinions’ kind of disconnects ideology from outcome. I mean, genocide didn’t just happen. It was fueled and justified by political ideology - especially one that targeted marginalized groups and spread gradually over time. Hitler’s speeches and rallies weren’t harmless. They were the conduit for building the moral framework that allowed genocide to feel justified - and that’s exactly how Hitler ‘caused genocide’.

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Anonymous replying to -> #34 1w

He also had plenty of people “on the ground” who didn’t touch any weapons. A lot of people forget that the Holocaust was not an overnight event. It took YEARS before the camps were opened and gassing and non-stop murder occurred. It took over a decade for them to open and reach the level they did.

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Anonymous replying to -> #22 1w

People like julius streicher, for example, didn’t use weapons to cause harm. They spread propaganda, inflammatory rhetoric, and inciting violence. People said he was “just speaking his mind/the truth”, too. He normalised hate. He made it palatable.

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Anonymous replying to -> #22 1w

The camps didn’t start or end with Jews, either. Started with Germans associated with the Communist Party of Germany. Then anyone showing resistance. Then the racial profiling picked up more. Then general criminals and “asocial” people (Roma and Sinti, Disabled, Queer, alcoholic, homeless, nomadic, sex worker, interracial couples, etc) were encamped. Many “asocials” who survived were still left in prisons to suffer and be forgotten after the camps were shut down.

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