Anonymous #2 13w

have you considered simply ignoring the things you don’t like? it’s really not that hard, I do it all the time. You’re the one letting these things bother you when you could just move on.

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Anonymous OP 13w

Idk man, seeing MHA headcannon shippers shipping Eri and Deku and not getting bothered by it is quite hard…

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Anonymous OP 13w

People be posting gross stuff other people did cuz it gets clicks I can't control everything i see

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Anonymous #3 13w

The fucking child?

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Anonymous #3 13w

that’s…fair. I was actually referring to tamer stuff like bakugo x deku , but it’s fine to tell people to keep their pedo/incest/abusive type shit to themselves.

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Anonymous #3 13w

or at the very least put a warning before they say or show anything

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Anonymous #4 13w

fair

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Anonymous #3 13w

Nah see this is disingenuous because it was obvious OP was referring to stuff like Deku x Bakugo and not Eri x Deku. Every fandom has gross weirdos who ship crazy pairings that should never even be in the same room together. MHA has been getting singled out for this shit for years when every other popular anime has the same exact problem, but everyone wants to pretend that that’s not the case.

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Anonymous #6 13w

I mean even with bakugo x deku, it’s 2 children so… still pedophilic… that’s the main issue with headcannons imo. The ones people scream about are 99% of the time about minors and still somehow people don’t see the issue. The two examples in this chat are both minor x minor so it kinda proves my point…

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Anonymous #3 13w

Again, disingenuous. People only ever say this about gay ships like Deku x Bakugo. Never in my LIFE have I seen someone say this about Deku x Ochako. Or Naruto x Hinata. Or Ichigo x Rukia. Or Sasuke x Sakura. Or Eren x Mikasa. Are you fr gonna look me in the eye and tell me that people have the exact same negative reaction at Deku x Bakugo as any of the straight ships listed above for the same reasons? Even outside of anime fandoms, this happens and no one bats an eye.

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Anonymous #6 13w

Isn't ruika like 100 years older then ichigo?

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Anonymous #2 13w

I don’t know, I don’t even watch Bleach like that but I know that was a popular ship back when it was coming out, which just proves what I’m saying even more. Even outside of anime, minor x minor ships are so normalized. Aang x Katara, Robin x Starfire, Harry x Hermione… So yeah, the “it’s pedophilic” bs doesn’t work because there’s a metric shitton of straight ships in media that have never once faced that criticism ever, and we all know this, so let’s not pretend.

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Anonymous #6 13w

Idk know I mean the obvious love interests in a show u gotta attack the creator not the fans though. Like Shinji Misato is crazy but like the creators made it a thing not rly the fans

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Anonymous #6 13w

You are so fucking valid. Thank you so much for articulating these points so much better than I could’ve.

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Anonymous OP 13w

I’m just tired of seeing people pretend like they gaf about the morals of shipping when really it’s just people being homophobic. Because why are people clutching their pearls at Deku x Bakugo fanart, but the SAME mfs will see Ochako x Deku fanart and say “cute?” I’m not even gay, I just hate hypocrites lmfao. I could sit here for literal hours and list popular straight minor x minor ships that nobody has EVER had a problem with, but suddenly Deku x Bakugo is the problem? Yeah okay lmfao

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Anonymous #2 13w

This right here is really a whole other conversation. OP’s post is about letting people enjoy shipping as long as it’s nothing weird or illegal. Obviously yeah, the creator of Eva is weird af for Misato x Shinji, and should definitely be shamed for it. But that’s not what this was about.

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Anonymous #6 13w

I'm just saying all the ones u pointed out r kinda set by the author. I get the point u making but like I cannot really say anything bad about a fan if they ship like what the actual story is. It's like shipping a bf and gf in real life. I get what u saying and agree but idk if they r the greatest examples.

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Anonymous #6 13w

The ONLY ships mentioned so far were eri x deku and bakugo x deku and i said both were pedophilic. I didn’t just say bakugo x deku was pedophilic just cause it was a gay ship. Deku x eri is a straight ship and it’s, again, still pedo stuff… I’ll hold your guys’ hand while saying this but… ALL minor x minor ships are absolutely disturbing regardless of gay vs straight, so don’t just single out bakugo x deku, the ochako x deku people are as creepy and deranged…

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Anonymous #6 13w

Most of the ones you mentioned are cannon, and no I’m not saying it makes it less weird, but it does make it so there’s less room for criticism if the whole show/movie supports it. When headcannons ship two minors it’ll have way more criticism and yes, unfortunately, gay ships get the most hate. All in all, every single minor ship is disgusting

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Anonymous #3 13w

I mean if bakugo and deku r shipped it kinda messes up the plot of the show imo and their dynamic. Like it messes the plot up imo.

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Anonymous #2 13w

My point was never to debate how much sense any ship makes in-universe, because frankly, I don’t really care. I also think Deku x Bakugo isn’t a great ship, but that still won’t stop me from pointing out the hypocrisy that people have for gay ships vs straight ships in these discussions. My point is that people bring up reasons for these ships being “weird” they conveniently forget also apply to 99% of straight ships in these same spaces. It’s incredibly bad faith and I have to call it out.

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Anonymous #3 13w

A ship being canon does not make it “less weird” or absolve it from criticism. For example, look at what #2 said; there’s ACTUAL canon Shinji x Misato shit going down in Eva. Does the fact that this is canon make it less weird because the show supports it? No. As long as the ships were talking about are legal, they’re either all just as weird as each other or just as normal as each other, full stop.

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Anonymous #3 13w

And my guy, if you think all minor x minor ships are weird, you better just keep that same energy for literally every piece of media you consume. Adult authors write about these ships everywhere. In books, games, anime, manga, you name it. Even Disney movies ship minors with each other. The point is, this whole conversation only ever comes up when anime fans are talking about MHA ships. Why does no one bring this up when talking about Miles x Gwen from Spiderverse or some shit? We all know why.

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Anonymous #6 13w

If you read my first sentence I did say “and no I’m not saying it makes it less weird” so not sure what you’re arguing against. A ship being cannon, no matter what you think, does lower the amount of criticism it gets regardless of what you think, and I think it’s weird regardless but on average the criticism is much lower for cannon ships

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Anonymous #3 13w

What I’m arguing against is that whether a ship is canon or not should have no impact on the criticism thrown at the *ethics* of the ship. Either the ship is ethical or it’s not. We’re not gonna pretend that a non-canon straight ship like Shoto x Yaoyorozu gets the same type or amount of hate as Deku x Bakugo. People are suddenly all about the ethics of ships when it’s gay, meanwhile minor x minor ships—canon or not—are insanely normalized across ALL media. They are literally a dime a dozen.

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Anonymous #6 13w

Sorry, but how brain dead do you have to be to think Hideki Anno “supports” Misato and Shinji as a couple. Genuinely think you might need to return to teletubbies if you come out of End of Evangelion with no deeper thoughts than “bro this creator is a diddy ah bluh!!!!”

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Anonymous #7 13w

Okay first of all, at no point did I ever even share my takeaway on Eva as a series (I like it), no idea why you’re putting words in my mouth. Secondly, my use of the word “support” was a direct quote of #3’s use of the word “support,” which, in the context of our discussion, means the story itself either hints at or explicitly demonstrates romantic attraction between 2 characters. Thirdly, Eva analysis was not the point of the conversation lmfao.

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Anonymous #6 13w

You claim in another comment that the creator of Evangelion “should be shamed” for the uncomfortable sexual undertones of Shinji and Misato’s relationship. And frankly, in a conversation about the morality of fictional depictions of romance involving children, the depiction of unhealthy or predatory dynamics will always be relevant.

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Anonymous #7 13w

I just want to make it clear that I’m aware that stories can depict immoral and/or abhorrent things in order to make a point. I only used Shinji x Misato because #2 brought it up first as a touchstone of a very obviously unethical pairing of characters. Maybe it was harsh to say Anno should be shamed, but just because I don’t like one aspect of the show does not mean my entire read of it is “Evangelion bad.” Because again, my wider point was about fandom hypocrisy in shipping, not Eva.

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