Anonymous #1 21h

Ask ChatGPT

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Anonymous OP 21h

why can't you cite your own sources?

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Anonymous #1 21h

Ok, I’ll take up the burden of educating you: “Art is the expression of feelings transmitted to others.”-Leo Tolstoy “The aesthetic experience is not to be identified with the physical object, but with the experience itself.” -John Dewey “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.” -Margaret Wolfe Hungerford

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Anonymous OP 21h

the reason why art is so valuable is because it's difficult to make, which invokes the feelings people have when viewing them. not every story is made or told the same way, which is why there r so many different forms of artistic expression.

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Anonymous OP 21h

For those of you who need it: this is a quote by William Shakespeare

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Anonymous #1 21h

Difficulty does not imply value. It’s difficult to eat gravel, but no one is making bank by posting videos of it.

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Anonymous #1 21h

So Andy Warhol’s “Campbell’s Soup Cans” is trash, since it was low effort? When I take a picture of a sunset, is it garbage since all that I had to do was tap a button on my phone?

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Anonymous #2 21h

straw man fallacy, if you're not able to have an actual intellectual debate then this is a waste of my time

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Anonymous #1 21h

Lmao how tf is that a strawman?

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Anonymous #1 21h

“Those are different. Counterexamples that makes me look stupid don’t count.”

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Anonymous OP 20h

distorts or exaggerates an opponent's argument to make it easier to attack. you cleary don't know the actual history as Andy Warhol's Campbell Soup Cans. If you did you would have known that each was hand painted and took him over a year to complete. I wouldn't call that simple or easy. You taking a picture of a sunset with your phone camera isn't what i would call art.

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Anonymous OP 20h

this is a red herring, a rose while beautiful isn't a form of artistic expression, which is a human concept.

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Anonymous #1 20h

You’re really going down the list here lol

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Anonymous #1 20h

So photography isn’t a form of art? And Warhol also dropped the famous line “Art is what you can get away with”. Again, pretty relevant here.

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Anonymous OP 20h

its not my fault you and everyone else on the internet doesn't know how to have a properly educated debate

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Anonymous OP 20h

Photography can be art but objectively the random pics you snap aren’t gonna be as good as someone that knows composition

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Anonymous #4 20h

This, if that were the case then my moms facebook page would be in the Louvre 💀

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Anonymous #4 20h

Ah yes, like when AI stole the Mona Lisa. I wish that I could see that painting; too bad it was stolen 😔

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Anonymous OP 20h

Not all of it, no. Would you call my drunk karaoke cover of I Will Always Love You art?? I think not. Do you think I should audition for American Idol??

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Anonymous #1 20h

If someone finds it moving, then yeah. That’s what art is.

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Lmao cry harder. “My feelings are hurt so you suck!!!” is not a very good counter argument. The best users of AI are people with expertise in the subject. You can shit your diapers all day about it, but the future isn’t going to stop for you 🤭

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Anonymous OP 20h

“AI is the future” you know what else was the feature, nuclear weapons. Just because you can develop something doesn’t mean you should

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Maybe you should learn about AI before talking about it. Name a painter who didn’t look at other people’s paintings. Anyone who didn’t learn from observing and adapting other people’s techniques. I’ll wait.

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Anonymous OP 20h

There’s a difference between being inspired and copying

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“Everyone who disagrees with me is a nazi or a pedo. I’m not wrong, it’s society that’s wrong.”

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Anonymous #4 20h

…go on. Is AI copy/pasting paintings and claiming that it created them? Or is it taking different concepts and patterns that it sees, then creating new images that don’t currently exist?

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Anonymous OP 20h

It can only copy, it can’t think for itself where as a human can

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Anonymous OP 18h

I never once called you any names. I just called out your illogical fallacies. I understand your argument but what you're failing to realize is that the end product of a piece of art isn't the reason humans create things. Art was invented as a form of expression, where words or actions weren't strong enough to capture their emotions. Where an experience broke them beyond measure and the only way they were able to rebuild themselves was by writing a song, or building a sculpture.

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Anonymous #1 18h

What about the art that was never seen by an audience? The art that was created solely for the purpose of creating something? AI doesn't create. It generates. Most artists (notice i said artist not celebrities) don't create for the sake of the final product. They create because that's what they are passionate about.

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Anonymous #1 18h

My favorite example of this is the difference between Taylor Swift and Jill Scott. Taylor Swift is a businesswoman and her business is just music. I don't consider her an artist. Maybe a performer sure, but she will pump out song after song. While as someone like Jill Scott believes in living life fully before recording. Her creative process relies on genuine desire rather than obligation. She creates because she is driven to create, not because she wants to make the most money.

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Anonymous OP 18h

AI cannot invent a new art style, cannot invent a new feature, cannot invent a new color, and cannot add symbolic, meaningful imagery to every aspect of its work. There is no story behind the inspiration driving AI to produce an artwork. It’s all just mechanical processing and piecing together, without the human touch of emotion and intent which make something truly ‘art’

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Anonymous #1 18h

It's why nowadays especially its so hard to find genuine artists. People who make art because they are driven too by their passion for it. Not so they can become famous, or so they can make the most money. That's brings me to the analogy. Someone who trains to run a marathon doesn't always care about finishing. Especially when starting out. Usually just beating their own personal records is enough of an accomplishment for themselves. Driving to the finish line means they just cared about the win

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Anonymous #8 16h

Not to mention the damage things like chat bots have done convincing people to kill themselves, helping plan mass / school shootings, having the ability to create porn and deepfakes without people’s permission and dressing down children. It shouldn’t even have those capacities and yet it does. Let alone the instances where they’ve promoted ai to kill itself and it begs and pleads not to be and has “fought back” on a few occasions. It’s downright dangerous, and overall awful.

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