wtf does this even mean

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what the hell is gay ideology? you’re either gay or youre not.

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dude i’m drunk and even i know drag races dont have anything to do with gay people

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Anonymous #3 1d

TLDR: Straight men’s biggest allies in the world are gay men. In return straight men should be obligated to be the biggest allies to them. I wish I could have been an allies in the times I wasn’t but since then I have always been pro gay men.

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One there are people part of every group that make being what they are part of their whole personality. You guys seem to only have a problem when it’s gay people… that whole “ I don’t have a problem with gay people. I just don’t like the ones that try and make me think differently about them.” realistically we don’t give a fuck about straight men. Someone making something their whole personality has nothing to do with you and your personal life so therefore you did not answer the question.

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And that’s another problem with straight man you guys are fucking idiots. Puberty blockers has nothing to do with gay people you’re talking about trans ideology… trans is gender. Gay is a sexuality.

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Anonymous #3 1d

Being around gay men made me realize this is what I wish women were… but they’re not.

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As a gay person who went through a religious conversion camp this is a bit insane ngl. People embracing their sexuality is a bit different than being beaten with a bat because I “looked at a boy too long”

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Anonymous #4 1d

Ngl 1 seems like he is

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why are you arguing that trans and gay people are even remotely the same

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your entire argument is falling apart. your original statement was against gay people. what do you have against gay people specifically?

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Your comments on this thread have been really homophobic and transphobic, and I think you'd benefit from reading and hearing more about the experiences of gay and trans people. Almost all gay and trans people aren't trying to convince people who aren't to be like them too, they're advocating for acceptance and equality as they face a lot of prejudice both by institutions and people in their lives to conform to cis/straightness even though that doesn't represent who they are

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Anonymous #4 22h

Homophobia is an issue with a lot of people regardless of their identity. It's unfortunately always been common and still is. In some ways, it's gotten worse as there's pushes by alt-right people in governments to remove rights for gay people

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who says its not? people thought being left handed was abnormal, yet its not wrong for them to not want a stigma attached to them.

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no kid has ever gotten bottom surgery. it doesnt happen. no doctor would ever administer it, and no psychologist would ever sign off on it. blockers arent permanent, they just delay it for as long as you take them. if they decide being trans isnt for them, they can stop taking the blockers and live a normal life. but we’re talking about GAY PEOPLE. NOT TRANS PEOPLE. jesus christ they are not even close to the same thing.

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I don’t get your argument here. You’re completely fine with gay or trans people, but you’re not fine with… people saying it’s fine to be gay or trans?

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being gay is normal, and not every person in drag is gay. breaking news: you can dress abnormally and not be gay! also, youve never stated why you dont support gay people. just that you don’t support seeing gay people. give us a reason.

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Holy shit being gay is not a sickness wtf.

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Anonymous #10 20h

letting people know it’s okay to be gay is not an inherently bad thing.

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Anonymous #2 20h

There is a huge difference than “it’s ok to be gay” vs “oh you think your sister’s dress is pretty? You saw your mom paint her nails and asked if you could too bc kids mimic what they see? YOU MUST BE TRANSGENDER”

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Anonymous #10 20h

nobody in the history of ever has ever said that

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Anonymous #2 20h

Google “I am Jazz”

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Anonymous #10 20h

what about it?

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Anonymous #2 20h

Little kids play, they like to pretend, they are curious, but parents need to bring them back to reality than affirm anything at the drop of the hat. There are parents who condition their kids to be something they aren’t to make themselves interesting instead of waiting for the kid to be mature enough to understand what they actually feel

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Anonymous #10 20h

you could say the same for any group. so why dont you feel this outrage everywhere?

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Anonymous #2 20h

Oh I do, but from what I’ve seen the LGBTQ community is often involved in it. Kids should not be given hormone blockers, they are too young to make a decision like that, and it’s no different from the circumcising argument

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Anonymous #10 20h

The community should be welcoming, but for any group, they should also allow people to consider “hey, that’s great if you feel you are apart of this community, but I really want you to educate yourself in all aspects and also your own feelings to make sure you really do feel like this is the community for you, and if so, we support you entirely”

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Anonymous #10 20h

that is how it is. you cant just buy puberty blockers at a whim. you have to meet with a psychiatrist and they have to sign off on it.

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Anonymous #2 20h

There are a lot of corrupt doctors, and corrupt individuals, just because it is supposed to be set up a certain way doesn’t mean it is often followed

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Anonymous #10 20h

theres exceptions to every rule. how do you feel about catholics? well catholic priests have a reputation for some of them touching children, so with this reasoning, you would think catholicism is inherently evil. you cant dislike a group based on the few.

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Anonymous #2 20h

I will say I am Christian in the sense I do believe in god and the Bible, however I do not agree with Catholics in many regards (and truthfully I view that denomination as a scam that you can’t directly pray to god for forgiveness) but again this is what I said I don’t have anything wrong with people being with who they want to be with, it’s pushing ideology upon others in an aggressive manner or using vulnerability

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Anonymous #10 20h

parents hit their children for not believing in god in christianity. seems pretty aggressive to me. so is it only things you agree with that have exceptions?

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Anonymous #2 20h

No because hitting children does not correlate directly with Christianity, that’s just bad parenting

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Anonymous #10 19h

can the same not be said for parents trying to force ideologies on their children?

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Anonymous #2 19h

There are so many interpretations of Christianity, like any religion, but the god I believe in acts and wants to reciprocate with love not fear

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Anonymous #10 16h

a lot of people seem to misinterpret what puberty blockers are for. They can be given to trans/questioning kids with psychiatric approval to delay puberty. They are not hrt, and when you stop them, you go through puberty like normal, whether that’s then influenced by hrt or otherwise. The entire point of them existing is to be given to kids in order to let them make that decision later.

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Anonymous #8 14h

i’m sorry but children begin puberty around the ages of 8-13, they can’t even drive a car yet and they’re making the decision to delay biology. plus at those ages, parents can have a lot more affect on children than you realize. i know it sucks to have to wait until you’re an adult to make biological decisions, but it could be saving some from making a permanent decision they might regret in the future. it’s the same reason you have to wait to be an adult to get tattoos or pericings

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Anonymous #11 14h

puberty blockers arent permenant

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Anonymous #11 13h

that’s the entire point, puberty blockers delay the permanent changes. They’re also not typically started right in the early stages of puberty

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Anonymous #2 12h

i was referring to the time in which your body is delaying development

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Anonymous #8 12h

And you’re wrong puberty blockers is reversible… and you have to go through plenty therapy and doctor appointment appointments to even be put on puberty blockers

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Anonymous #8 12h

i understand that being trans is not a choice, but you need to understand the influence of those marking it as their personality. the problem with this is that a great percentage of children that see it as a more social movement. again, i’m not saying this is fair for actual trans people, but this is not a solution, especially because this treatment is relatively new and we don’t have long term evidence of its effects. take hyperthyroidism as an example, slowing down your bodies ability to

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Anonymous #11 12h

produce hormones. the effects of this are not healthy for a human being. again, it’s not fair but we’re all dealt a different hand at birth and that’s just how it is sometimes, even if that means not being able to physically change your body until you are an adult.

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Anonymous OP 12h

i never said it won’t begin development again, but we don’t know the long term effects of doing this, children are not test subjects

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Anonymous #11 10h

I’m not sure you’re understanding my point here, the point of puberty blockers *is* to not change anything yet. It’s the alternative to just starting hrt early enough to not get overlapping puberty effects. It isn’t changing the body, it’s *preventing* the body from being changed by puberty in a way that the kid doesn’t want. it’s not synthetic hypothyroidism either, it’s only blocking specific hormones.

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Anonymous #8 10h

The point is it could cause cancer or other adverse affects later in life because they haven’t been studied long enough

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Anonymous #10 10h

That can be said for any new medical advancement though?

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Anonymous #11 10h

try a generic example: a kid, just starting to experience male puberty, is heavily disliking the increase in body hair, and doesn’t want their voice to drop or any male shape changes. they’re planning to transition. If they don’t get any medication, and transition as planned after turning 18, they will have a difficult time retraining their voice, waiting for e to reshape their body again, and shaving more often than they could’ve for the rest of their life.

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Anonymous #8 10h

if they immediately get hrt, the transition will be easier and align more with a cis girl, often the absolute ideal case in their head. However the effects such as breast growth would be hard to undo if regretted later. The other option is they get blockers, delaying their transition. if they then change their mind, they experience standard male puberty, later. They have a small chance of side effects we haven’t observed yet.

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Anonymous #8 10h

Blockers seem like the most sensible middle ground to me, keeping in mind that they’re already only ever prescribed when patients are basically certain they want to transition. The risks of a not yet witnessed side effect possibly occurring does not outweigh the harmful (for them) effects of going through puberty in the wrong direction first if they do transition.

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Anonymous #8 10h

puberty blockers also aren’t new, like, at all. They’ve been used to treat kids with conditions that cause early puberty for ages before they started being used for potentially transitioning later, and even then they’ve been available for a long time. people act like they’re a new thing because it suits their opinions

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Anonymous #6 8h

You’re not a very devout Muslim I assume

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Anonymous #11 8h

Christianity explicitly condemns sexual immorality, which is defined as any sexual activity outside the covenant of marriage, which is between a man and a woman only. Christians are called to love and respect everyone, but not to condone or support their sinful actions.

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Anonymous #12 5h

you guys equate islam to the extremist regime in the middle east these past decades

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Anonymous #12 5h

the bible addresses traditional marriage in a literal sense. but if you apply this logic, female x female relationships are not addressed at all. to interpret a peice of history from 2000 years prior, we can’t fully comprehend how to interpret the artifact in a specific sense, but again the bible clearly states multiple times that you are not to judge others or spread hate

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Anonymous #12 2h

You would be wrong in your assessment. People will do and believe whatever they like, and unless they’re Muslim too it’s not my place to judge them by a religious standard

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Anonymous #11 Just now

You should go read a Quran sometime. The foundational beliefs of Islam ARE extremist. They are directly incompatible with western values and you all need to be more worried about it.

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