Anonymous #2 16w

In colder climates covering up in lots of layers becomes necessary so it sorta gets baked in with religious and cultural practice. In warmer climates the nomrs are different. Often clothing is downstream of our adaptions to climate

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Anonymous oranguru 16w

For sure, clothing is an essential technology. Still, the idea that nudity anywhere or any time (even if the climate permits it) is wrong is something based in religion, not a need for comfort

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Anonymous #2 16w

Yes you make a good point. A modest Christian person will still be modestly dressed in a hot climate. I do think tho that religious doctrine is often related to physiological needs. I might be wrong but I believe halal and kosher food laws have a practical grounding but I might be wrong

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Anonymous oranguru 16w

Some religious traditions having logical grounding (food safety and health in the case of your example) doesn’t mean that all do. If so then we should be able to point to some biological or psychological harm from humans being nude but there really isn’t one. It’s purely cultural

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Anonymous #2 16w

I would say there is if you lived in Northern Europe. But it’s definitely true that you didn’t really need to dress modestly in the climates where Christianity and Islam began.

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Anonymous oranguru 16w

Well yeah that was my point above, ig it wasn’t explicit tho. Yes living in a climate where being outdoors naked will kill you means that there are biological downsides to being nude. However soon after developing the technology for clothes any of these cultures would’ve developed shelter too, places where they could be safely naked without bodily harm. Past that the decision to NEVER be naked publicly is a cultural thing, not a biological health thing

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Anonymous #2 16w

Ah I see. This is an interesting point. In principle there’s no reason besides religious/cultural context that we should not be naked in our homes. Thanks for explaining it I didn’t really see it

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Anonymous oranguru 16w

Yeah sorry ig I can see how it wasn’t clear. Not just homes tho, public gathering spaces too. Lots of native tribes had indoor spaces where it was comfortable enough to be nude or partially nude and it was the norm to do so

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Anonymous #2 16w

Also idk who’s downvoting you but it’s not me, I always appreciate a conversation!

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Anonymous stanczyk 16w

why?

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Anonymous #2 16w

religion and patriarchy are intertwined

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Anonymous OP 16w

Yeah fs, my point was more like an order of operations thing. In the beginning it was religion saying that humans should cover themselves and be ashamed of their bodies. Then from there it was the patriarchy setting up more strict expectations and harsher judgements of women within that framework

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Anonymous #10 16w

I fear you drastically missed the point

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Anonymous #8 16w

all religion oppresses women

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Anonymous #9 16w

you missed the point

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Anonymous #7 16w

we're not talking about a womans bare breasts or ass we're talking about legs, middrift, shoulders, etc.

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Anonymous OP 16w

Who tf thinks shoulders are inappropriate this isn’t 1892

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Anonymous #7 16w

you would be fucking surprised

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Anonymous OP 15w

Nah I think you’re just lashing out at a school dress code that no longer applies

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Anonymous #7 15w

Ngl this is sort of a wild inversion. Someone not covering themselves to your standards is assault on your eyes? I feel like you could find communities where people share those values and have dress codes to match but the rest of us shouldn’t have to adhere to arbitrary standards to please others, it’s just a body

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Anonymous #2 15w

So by this logic we shouldn’t have laws against indecent exposure?

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Anonymous #7 15w

I don’t think so no. If someone exposes themselves then assaults someone then charge them for assault. There’s nothing inherently wrong about seeing a human body

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Anonymous #2 15w

And if your religion says that there should be then that’s your business

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Anonymous #2 15w

Go find a nudist colony and leave those of us who enjoy civilization alone

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Anonymous #7 15w

Nah I’m just ahead of the curve fr 😮‍💨 it would’ve been insane for women to show their stomachs in public 200 years ago and look where we are today. Things will progress and look very different 200 years from now 🙏

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Anonymous #7 15w

nope i have nothing against current school dress codes I'm talking about grown men calling grown women sluts for wearing a mini skirt in a club or a sports bra in the gym

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Anonymous OP 15w

No.

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Anonymous #8 15w

Dawg what? Name a major religion that isn’t oppressive towards women?

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Anonymous #2 15w

Christianity.

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Anonymous #8 15w

really bc christians saying women should submit to their husbands and bear children isnt super liberating

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