Hey OP, I’m not a man but I am a pansexual woman dating a man, and he has always been very encouraging towards attending pride and happy to come with me. It really sounds like you hold different beliefs around some pretty substantial topics, like your personal identity and how to support each other and possibly politics.
Heya I was in a sort of similar situation myself (realized I was trans well into a relationship with a “straight” man (he eventually wrapped his head around my gender, had some epiphanies, and has since come out as pan)). After reading the above comments you may have to ask him privately, non-confrontationally, and directly if he sees you as queer or not. You’re going to have to have those conversations about identity for a long time honestly
This is clearly something very important to you, since its your identity, but as you can tell by the comments that this is a very divisive issue, I don’t think you should have to “compromise” who you are as a person to make your partner more comfortable, one of my exes (we broke up for other reasons) came out as nb when I was with them, and guess what? I would have conversations about how I could best support them
well in a lot of ways. we had an argument last month bc he didn't see the need of me going to pride bc we were dating, let alone like asked to come with to support me. i don't celebrate the 4th of July because of the way the US treated queer people, he was mad about that bc i didn't want to go to his families bbq, even though I told him weeks ago. plus just in general there is a vibe about him that i cant really put in words
ouuuu i can understand being upset about him not wanting you to go to pride although i would definitely say you're completely off base with the 4th of july. you aren't celebrating the current united states government, you're celebrating the american victory over britain, and the soldiers who have died defending the general freedom in this country. while i understand the sentiment that the freedom isn't as free for a lot of minority groups, i think the 4th is a really important holiday
Had a friend with this issue. She grew up in a very Christian household so when she dated a bi man she thought he was therefore straight. The way I explained it was by comparing her idea to Schrödinger's cat. If he was dating a man when they met he wouldn’t therefore be gay and not find her attractive, he would still be bi.
i'm an immigrant, well my parents are but my my ancestors weren't apart of that victory, and between that and being queer being around my bfs very white very american family makes me a bit uncomfortable, especially with the news around immigrants rn. i had explain this to him multiple times and i of course feel awful about it and he says he understands but is still cold abt it so idk
i'm not saying it's not important but isn't that just part of being in a relationship? like this issue isn't worth breaking up over at least not yet. especially bc i think he is willing to be better, and im willing to work with him. i genuinely think it's just a lack of experience on his part since im the first queer woman he's dated
i respect his family? they just make me a bit uncomfortable bc in the past they've made some comments abt me that were insensitive and he agrees with me that they were out of line for that and apologized on their behalf. so and like i said i did end up going to the bbq. he respects my identity he just isn't really aware of what that means and we r working on it. it's just a rough rn and i wanted to know if anyone had any advice
Well when we started dating I wasn't gender nonconforming. I'm a woman except for on the days when i'm not a woman, idk i'm struggling with it kinda but he's aware of that and when i told him abt it I actually thought he was gonna break up with me but he didn't. I've always been bi though, he's known that since we met. So that is kinda a non issue but it's another reason why it technically isn't a straight relationship even though
i guess you can say that idk. I "came out" to him in March and since then it's been rough. However we've been through so much together to call it quits but who knows. maybe he's been acting like this bc i am too much and he can't handle it anymore and wants to break up but is scared. we've been together for almost two years at this point and this is probably the worse rough patch yet but he's hasn't been like i don't love u anymore so idrk.
Okay that’s different, I think you just phrased it badly the first time. “His family has made insensitive comments” is very different than “his very white very American family makes me uncomfortable”. Like if I said I can’t spend the afternoon with my girlfriend’s family because her very black very foreign family makes me uncomfortable, you would [rightly] tell her to break up with me on the spot.
You can be bi and still be in a straight relationship, if he’s a man and you’re a woman. You coming out as non-conforming would make it a queer relationship, but if you only came out a few months ago and you’ve been together two years, that means that for most of the relationship, this was a straight relationship in his mind, and you basically just yanked the carpet out from under him by telling him it isn’t. And he’s trying to keep it going by still thinking of you as a woman in his mind.
If a bi woman dated a straight guy, that would literally be a heterosexual relationship between two cisgendered people, regardless of the fact that she might also be attracted to other people. I don’t know to explain that in a way that’s more clear. If OP is not a woman, then it’s not the same thing; but if he was under the impression she was almost two years, then he just got informed that one of the biggest foundations of the relationship is not true, whether you like the framing or not.
Okay, but OP only came out as gender non-conforming a few months ago, while they’ve been dating for two years. So for most of the relationship, he understood he was a straight man in a straight relationship with a bi woman. And now two years in he’s being told “actually, you’re in a queer relationship with a gender-nonconforming person.” And he’s not adjusting well.
but it's not straight since i've never been straight, and yes to someone who sees us on the street we would appear to be a straight couple but it can't be a hetrosexual relationship if one of the members isn't heterosexual 😭 like if i dated a lesiban i wouldn't be in a lesiban relationship, i still be in a queer relationship bc i'm not exclusively attracted to women unlike a lesiban.
A heterosexual relationship doesn’t *have* to mean that *you are heterosexual*. A heterosexual relationship, by definition, is a relationship between two members of the opposite sex. Just like if you had dated a woman, you would still be bi, but you’d have been a bi woman in a homosexual relationship, because it’s a relationship between two same-sex people.
Now the fact that you’ve since come out as non gender conforming, *that* makes it a queer relationship. Because it’s a man and a non gender conforming. That I agree with you on. What I’m trying to tell you is that even if you think it has always been a queer relationship, *HE* never thought it was one. He is a straight man who believed he was in a hetero relationship with a cisgender bi woman.
I’m not saying you lied to him; I’m saying you are telling him now something that completely changes his understanding of what the relationship fundamentally is. And it sounds like his way of handling it is to just keep treating it like his old understanding is essentially still the case.
You may have come out to him as non-gender conforming and that makes the relationship queer, but he still identifies as a straight male and isn’t comfortable saying he’s in a queer relationship, so in order to keep the relationship without breaking his identity, in his mind he is still essentially classing you as a woman so he can treat the relationship as straight.
A lot of queerness can't be defined by definitions. I know that sounds a bit wacky but it's true. You just can't grasp the concept of how I don't consider myself in a hetrosexual relationship because you yourself are not queer, and that's okay. i don't know how to explain it to you any better but I suggest doing more research on the sexuality diaspora if you so choose and I kindly ask you to stop saying i was in a hetrosexual relationship.
Except he knew it wasn't a straight relationship 😭 I've always been queer, i've always been non comforming. He literally used to call me a butch lesbian as a joke, and now that I've become aware that I don't identify with being a women things have changed. I think it's just hard for him to come to terms with it being real, but he's himself isn't really a traditional man. It's part of why I liked him at first bc i've never mad a straight men that has a healthy relationship with femininity.
I get that YOU don’t consider yourself to be in a heterosexual relationship; what I’m trying to tell you is that THE OTHER PERSON HAS AN IDENTITY TOO. You’re trying to determine the relationship 100% off of your own feelings with no regard for how the other person identifies, even if you were hypothetically dating a lesbian you wouldn’t let her consider herself to be in a lesbian relationship with you because that doesn’t apply to *you*. That’s not queerness, that’s just narcissism.
i should've phrased that better tbh. I meant i hadn't realized it yet. also im not forcing him to consider himself in a queer relationship. he's not here to defend himself but he doesn't care. he just loves me for me. it's what he said when when I came out. all these labels aren't what really matters anyway, i made this post more so because i feel as if he has been drifting away and i was upset he didn't want me going to pride this year.
and the thing with his family is a whole other horse of a different color, he can only take too much of them too because they are very hardcore conservatives. he wanted me at the bbq more so for moral support less so bc he wants me to form a deep bond with his family. and i've said like 100 times we did end up going together for a bit towards the end.
Well regardless, we cant help you, you started dating him straight and just as much as you want to go to a pride parade, he as just as much of a right to not approve of it. The best thing you can do is talk about it, if he doesn't want you going, you have to ask yourself if its worth him not approving, or if you don't go out of respect for him.
first of all, im an adult. im my own independent person and no one "approves" of anything i do except me. second of all you do not understand the question or my sexuality or this relationship in the slightest. either read my other comments to understand what the situation is (and ask questions if you're confused) or move on
he knew i was bi before we started dating. i didn't not go into the relationship with him thinking i was straight. he should acknowledge my queerness bc i'm genderfluid. i use she/they pronouns and our relationship is no longer heteronormative. also i would never ask him to cut off one of his female friends bc i TRUST him.
also that mindset is a healthy one to have. you shouldn't need your partners approval to do anything except obviously consent when it comes to bedroom stuff but going to pride is about celebrating the years of oppression that the LGBTQ community has faced, as well as honor those who broke those barriers that came before us.
according to insecure people maybe it is but you should have enough trust in your girlfriend if she's friends with guys, like what if she had a brother? or she only works with men? or her lab partner is a guy? you expect her to just ignore them and be closed off like what is the only guy she can talk to is you?
Main worries about this behavior is that he might have been hiding personal beliefs or feelings from you, like thinking dating him means you aren’t queer and that pride is just for hooking up and promiscuous. Another issue is he sounds kind of republican (most men hide it heavily when dating currently) so you might want to just ask him open ended questions about things he thinks without offering your opinion first (regurgitating phases or opinions is a big way people hide their beliefs).
Me personally, I would find it incredibly disrespectful for my bf to not support or acknowledge my sexuality or queerness and to be against me going to pride. That’s something I wouldn’t tolerate in my relationship even if we were far into it, as it’s an important part of me and to love me you can’t just pick and choose parts of me, but your queerness might not be that important to your identity which is understandable
He let me go to pride last year but i think this year he was just worried about it because I came out as genderfluid and i think he's still processing that a bit and kinda clinging on the days when I feel aligned with womanhood. As for politics, he's definitely not conservative even though he comes from a conservative family. So i'm good on that, i think this is just something that is taking him a bit harder to grasp which is understandable
no i don't do *techinally* do anything different on my they days but i also don't do anything different on my woman days bc i was definitely joking when i said that. i don't really want to get into my gender identity and what it means since i am still struggling with it myself. i know i don't fully feel like a woman all the time and that's okay.
Honestly, your wording is throwing me off. He “let you” go to pride last year?? That doesn’t sound too great. It sounds like he’s got quite a bit of deconstructing to do about internalized homophobia/transphobia. If that’s something you are willing to hold his hand through, then go for it.
He definitely is even if it seems unintentional. Having a hard time understanding it and actively trying to ignore or deny it with you and stopping you from going to pride is absolutely homophobic. It doesn’t honestly sound like he is TRYING to learn or understand while you are bending over backwards to make excuses for him and be understanding.
Sure these kinda of conversations can be uncomfortable to navigate especially for someone that isn’t a part of the community themselves, but it’s fundamentally necessary for your relationship to thrive without either feeling like they’re giving up parts of themselves just to be together, Theres a possibility a convo like this might cause more issues but if thats the case this might be a dealbreaker for both of you, it doesn’t make either of you bad people just incompatible romantically
And Im telling you, the reason it feels like he doesn’t understand that it is, is because he thinks of you as a woman that he is in a straight relationship with, and always has thought that way. Even if he used to joke that you were a butch lesbian, a butch lesbian is still a woman. That’s why he shuts down whenever you try to mention your queerness. ‘Labels mean nothing and I love you for you’ is his way of protecting himself, so he doesn’t have to change the labels he’s still using in his head
Being bi was never a problem for him, because even if you also like women, you were still a woman who was attracted to men and chose to be with him. But if he’s a straight man and you’re gender fluid, that is a problem for him, so he doesn’t want to hear about it, because as long as you don’t talk about it he can still just think of you as a woman the way he always did.
Okay i'll be real, asking people on the internet anonymously wont do anything. You're best bet is to sit down, talk to him, make your feelings known and ask him for his. Based of that you guys needs to come to a conclusion. Its your relationship and only you guys know everything about it, so the only way to deal with this is to talk to him about it.
That’s not good dude 😭 it doesn’t sound like he’s open to even a conversation let alone changing on anything. Try letting him know in advance that you have a scheduled time to talk about this issue sometime this week (or whenever you see him next) so he has time to mentally prepare for the conversation and you too.
That’s honestly crazy to say as someone queer. Yes your actual identity matters even if it’s a more passive trait. Being queer is apart of OP no matter what relationships she is in, and especially more so with being gender fluid. It’s still just a fact about a person and has to do a lot with their history and anyone should be able to expect their partner to respect that.
Could you explain to me how this works with bi people? Do you embrace the part of their sexuality that isn’t solely attracted to you or do you live with them as though they were straight or gay? Would that not mean that you prefer their straight or gay “side” and want to be with that side long term?
I did go to some pride events with friends and i bought some pride merchandise. It was one specific parade i wanted him to come with me too that he didn't want to go too, and i didn't want to go alone so i just didn't go. I guess i could've worked on my phrasing in a lot of my comments but he didn't actively forbid me. He just expressed discomfort and didn't want to accompany me and now that we've talked abt it i can see why. I think it just would've been too real for him at the time.
Well they’re still attracted to both genders regardless of what you prefer or not, straight people are still attracted to the opposite gender wether or not they’re in a relationship, same with gay people, but lgbt people have had to do a lot of work to get where we are with acceptance to hide the parts of themselves that are ‘inconvienent’, im not saying do threesomes or open the relationship, im saying that queer people still need to have some connection with their community it doesn’t have to-
- Be just for seeking sexual/romantic connection, what you’re describing is commonly referred to as “bi-erasure” they’re gonna be bi no matter if or who they’re in a relationship, they’re a whole person, like if someone has dual citizenship you wouldn’t say they’re only American when they’re here but treat them like a foreigner the second they leave the country, its not taking into account their lived reality yk? Obviously you can want to be with them long-term many bi people are monogamous and-
Yeah ig i thought it was less recent for some reason, I understand everyone has their own timeline when it comes with coming to terms with these things, but honestly if thats a dealbreaker for him to accept and have a normal conversation about it without shutting down, he should be an adult and walk away
To him it seems that way, a lot of people here aren’t understanding that. To him it seems that OP constantly stressing that they’re queer means that OP is in a queer relationship with him, and thus he must also be queer. OP doesn’t seem to notice that and thinks he is weird for not wanting that (which he prolly should be more supportive of but his feelings are valid as well)