Anonymous #1 1w

If you are expecting a woman to do all the house chores and cook for you and doing all the house work then you should be covering all financial expenses. Work needs to be divided fairly

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Anonymous OP 1w

I understand that. If I made enough money to provide for everything, personally it would be badass to have a stay at home wife who would be a stay at home mom to take care of the kids and homeschool etc. As it stands I don’t make enough money in this economy to do that, so we would both have to make enough money and in turn would take care of the household responsibilities equally. That would be ideal for me

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Anonymous #1 1w

Okay? My point is if you cannot provide fully you should not be expecting a housewife, if you aren’t then congratulations you aren’t one of the men who does this

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Anonymous OP 1w

I’m not one of these guys, but maybe they’re thinking like “if I make 80% of the money then she can do 40% of the chores” including making food

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Anonymous #2 1w

Or they just really want someone to make them food and that’s all they care about

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Anonymous #1 1w

just bc you CAN provide for everything doesn’t mean your wife wants to be an unpaid slave for you

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Anonymous #4 1w

Really? I feel like it was/ is very common to have two working parents.

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 1w

yes, exactly as I wrote in my comment

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Anonymous #4 1w

No what I mean is where I grew up it was extremely common for both parents to work and split chores.

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 1w

where I grew up it was extremely common for both parents to work and only the mother does chores

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Anonymous stanczyk 1w

Great so accept that you will likely have to go 50/50 on rent and chores

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Anonymous OP 1w

no, not necessarily 50/50 each, as long as both all the work that needs doing is getting done and both partners agree that they are not being overworked it doesn't have to be 50/50 for both homekeeping and making money

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Anonymous stanczyk 1w

Right not necessarily but it should be an even split of work for each whether that’s 30/70 chores 70/30 bills or 50/50 50/50

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Anonymous stanczyk 1w

i think it depends on the cost of living in the area, and how many people you have to provide for. I also think what OP is saying is contradicting to expect a traditional relationship when you yourself aren't upholding those values. Even though it isn't your fault the economy sucks and most households can't survive on a single income.

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Anonymous OP 1w

I still disagree, as the workload that each person in a relationship can bear is not going to be symmetric, honestly i really think as long as both people feel comfortable with their workload and don't feel used/overworked, even if either husband or wife ends up doing slightly more work (however you quantify such a broad thing as "work") than their partner. quantitatively analyzing workload is only going to create undue conflict if things are already working smoothly.

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Anonymous #8 1w

this is bs lol

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Anonymous #8 1w

Protect and provide for the eggs? I’m a bird

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Anonymous #8 1w

Yup there’s a reason women have different fat cells and men are taller and bigger, women are built to care and feed young literally with their own body and men are built to go out and hunt and provide for mama and babies

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Anonymous #9 1w

this hypothesis is not supported by historical evidence

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Anonymous #4 1w

Evolution? It’s science. Women’s fat stores evolved for reproductive purposes and men’s muscles and testosterone evolved for hunting and defense purposes, only the ones who were capable of protecting their young continued on their lineage. darwinism baby.

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Anonymous #9 1w

except it’s not science. we have evidence that early humans did not split up hunting and fighting by gender. those divisions came later, after misogyny was invented

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Anonymous #9 1w

At the end of the day this doesn’t really matter bc we are not cave people and we do not hunt and gather anymore we live in a society lol

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Anonymous OP 1w

our brains are partially still programmed like cave people though

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Anonymous stanczyk 1w

Then why aren’t you going out and hunting with your bare hands like a cave person

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Anonymous OP 1w

emphasis on partially

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Anonymous stanczyk 1w

Ok so tell me in what ways you partially still act like cave man

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Anonymous stanczyk 1w

I just think it’s so silly to be like “caveman evolved to do this” whilst you sit in your air conditioned and heated home, eating food you got from the grocery store and cooked on the stove, using your iPhone to browse social media, wearing clothes you got from a department store ect. Like what does caveman have to do with modern man

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Anonymous stanczyk 1w

We do not act like caveman anymore, we live in a developed society. So why does caveman dynamics matter in this conversation

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Anonymous OP 1w

this primal "lizard brain" part of us (men and women) is why many guys' iq drops by ~30 points in the presence of hot women, it's the reason women get and can't control the "ick", it's why women are higher in neuroticism (the theory is because women more prone to stress, they are extra attentive to the needs of infants and children because both are REALLY annoying when they need something) and men are less neurotic (stress resistance is good when you need to fight), etc etc. You get the idea

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Anonymous OP 1w

caveman dynamics are not relevant as a model, but we do need to model society to accommodate the more prevalent parts of our "caveman brain"

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Anonymous stanczyk 1w

Except you cannot prove this is the result of caveman man and not just social conditioning. Why do you think cavewomen get the ick LMAO

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Anonymous stanczyk 1w

Also to say women are “neurotic” bc they care for child is just so insane what’s your source for any of this💀💀

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Anonymous stanczyk 1w

Ah yes I got the ick when he snapped me with that stupid filter because, cavewoman instincts of course

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Anonymous OP 1w

What do cavemen have to do w modern men??? Literally everything lol😭you wouldn’t take a wild wolf and stick it in “your air conditioned and heated home, eating food you got from the grocery store” NO it would still maul you it’s not a dog😭😭just bc we have ac and internet now that’s like .00002% of human history 😭😭you have zero grasp of evolution if you think our brains would’ve caught up to modern society by now

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Anonymous #9 1w

modern humans are not distinct from early homo sapiens

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Anonymous #4 1w

Tell me, what’s the purpose of the appendix?

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Anonymous #9 1w

none of my business

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Anonymous #9 1w

women have testosterone too gang, and OP clearly is saying how it's not feasible to expect a traditional relationship anymore bc there is no reason why a women can't help provide for their family or a man take care of their young. just bc things were separated 1000s of years ago, doesn't mean we should still adhere to that.

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Anonymous stanczyk 1w

idk abt you but i do not have any naturally mothery instincts, i literally cringe at the sight of children. no desire to attend to the needs of infants. that cave women gene must've skipped me ig. also women get the ick bc there r men like the ones in the comments section constantly making generalizations abt how our brain chemistry is and using it to justify gender roles we don't want to adhere to.

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Anonymous #3 1w

Making things simple: the majority of women have like 10% testosterone whereas men have 95 to 99% testosterone (where the other part of 100 is estrogen

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Anonymous #1 1w

I really hope you realize testosterone and estrogen aren’t the only hormones

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Anonymous #1 1w

So like when women go through menopause and their estrogen drops lower than a man’s, does that mean then that the man should take on the nurturing roles?

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Anonymous #3 1w

Consider how much of both men’s and women’s biochemistry has been altered by this synthetic domestication: gmo diets (nobody evolved to digest corn syrup, especially the non-wild GMO corn), lack of exercise, pharmaceuticals, birth control, etc etc etc. This is the first time in history where more people in the west work indoors rather than outdoors with the sun shining and wind on their skin. The first time we don’t see lit fires often (allegedly has something to do with stem cell release)

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Anonymous #3 1w

If we were metaphorical wolves, most humans would be chihuahuas right now. OP has a point, the men who desire women to “take care of the estate/metaphorical nest” should be willing to protect and provide for that estate. Or at bare minimum, show they are on a path to being capable of doing so.

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Anonymous #1 1w

speak for yourself, i happen to think my girlfriend and i complement each other well

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Anonymous OP 1w

There’s an interesting study about the folic acid that makes flour “enriched” that appears to be directly correlated to the severe menopausal symptoms we didn’t see historically. It’s specific to certain blood types/genomes if I am recalling correctly, but it’s also linked to several other hormonal disorders. Doing personal studies on these things I’ve deduced if most women found just how much they were poisoned by corporate interests; mind body and spirit, they would demand executions.

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Anonymous #3 1w

They’ve done studies. Doesn’t matter if you think you have “naturally motherly instincts”, your lizard brain does. Female brain activity is interrupted by the cry of a baby and a males is not as much. They can continue on sleeping/ doing what they’re doing, but women’s brains are biologically programmed to respond to the baby. And if you’re lactating it doesn’t even matter if it’s your baby crying, your nipples will literally start leaking milk at the sound of a baby’s cry.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Yeah. Like I said, keeping it simple.

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Anonymous #3 1w

Maybe mentally, but physically just isn’t possible 🙂

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Anonymous #3 1w

Physically, men and women were made for each other

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Anonymous #1 1w

oh no physically too, trust me lol

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Anonymous #3 1w

There’s a reason a penis is complementary to a vagina. That’s just straight up science and biology right there.

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Anonymous #3 1w

You have a very abstract and young perception of sex

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Anonymous #1 1w

no i'm just gay my dawg, technically bisexual but i know my way around a penis and a vagina and have been satisfied by more women than i have men, so do but if you're gonna be homophobic we best just end this conversation now.

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Anonymous #3 1w

Homophobia is a made up word. Nobody fears homosexuality.

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Anonymous #8 1w

I should rephrase since all words are technically made up. Homophobia is an illusionary concept not based in reality.

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Anonymous #3 1w

“I know my way around a penis and a vagina” yeah, you’re young. You guys are obsessed with science and biology until it’s handed to you.

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Anonymous #8 1w

yeah and all the LGBTQ+ people who died at the expense of hate crimes weren't based in reality. what an awful take

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Anonymous #1 1w

buddy just say you don't get play 💀im sorry someone has never sexually satisfied you, but that isn't due to science and biology....

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Anonymous #3 1w

**VERY young it seems Immature as well

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Anonymous #3 1w

Everything in your physical body is science and biology. Unless of course you’re speaking about the ether and divine and I’m actually speaking to a demon. In which case, that’s a science I’m versed in as well and you shall state your true name here in this comment thread. Is it Legion? Cuz if it’s Legion I was wondering when you would be back.

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Anonymous #1 1w

like if you truly believe straight sex is the only way for men and women to be satisfied then it's not me who has an warped perception of sex, plus queer sex has existed for centuries and even within in nature and animals. so even ur science and biology doesn't really help that case.

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Anonymous #3 1w

It exists when there’s an excess of calories and in general as a means to spread intestinal worms. Parasites ALTERing the reproductive behavior of the host to replicate the parasite rather than the host, thus slowly killing the host. Which is why in all major ancient religions, they called those people demonically possessed. There are no known cases of lesbian animals recorded to which I have been made aware.

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Anonymous #3 1w

ok look you’re getting successfully ragebaited right now and I hate that for you

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Anonymous #4 1w

Don’t hate anyone trying to rage bait you #4. If someone attempts to give you a gift and you don’t accept the gift, who is left holding the gift?

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Anonymous #4 1w

If anything we should still love #3 like a brother. There’s a reason this is the hill they choose to fight on unbeknown to us.

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Anonymous #4 1w

sorry i got pissed off of someone blanetly denying my relationship.

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Anonymous #3 1w

It’s reasonable.

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Anonymous #8 1w

so fun fact i really don't gaf abt what science says. all i know is i like pussy, and sex with women is just as if not more satisfying than sex with men. so if you could stop being justifying your hate towards me i'd appreciate it

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Anonymous stanczyk 1w

it’s easy to feel this way when you’re not in the demographic who is doing the brunt of the work at home…challenge why you feel this way

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Anonymous #10 1w

this is semi-unrelated i just wanted to rant

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Anonymous #8 1w

There are many species that’s display homosexual tendencies

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Anonymous OP 1w

There’s also many species that display necrophelia and pedophilia. None of the above mentioned behaviors, especially repeated enough in any species yields a survivable pack. They all yield an extinct population, especially if prioritized above behaviors that supplement the pack/heard/colony etc.

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Anonymous #8 1w

and who gaf

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Anonymous #8 1w

What are you trying to say?😭 homosexuality should be penalized like pedophilia and necrophelia? Bc it doesn’t “yeild” offspring?? Do you also think menopause is wrong and think choosing to not have kids is wrong?💀😭

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Anonymous OP 1w

I said exactly what I said. Anything further you deduced came from your mind, not mine.

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Anonymous #8 1w

Own what you said don't act like OP made shit up, you are the one who brought up necrophilia and pedophilia

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Anonymous #3 1w

i hate when homophobes bring up pedophilia like it's an equivalent of being gay when children cannot consent!! like it's not a hard concept to grasp.

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Anonymous OP 1w

No because menopause is actually natural. It’s a part of the aging process of women. People keep talking about homosexual tendencies and animals and there have been quite a few studies done that only show the animals have homosexual tendencies when there is the lack of the opposite sex in the population.

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Anonymous #1 1w

There is lack of decent options in the opposite sex yes at least from a female pov

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Anonymous #1 1w

so this is just wrong 😭, it's common in over 1500 species both with male and female same sex relationships. in fact some even take on multiple partners at once, like dolphins for example. they literally have sex for fun like humans do. https://www.bluesci.co.uk/posts/feature-homosexuality-in-the-animal-kingdom#:~:text=Examples%20have%20been%20described%20in,in%20same%2Dsex%20sexual%20interactions.

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Anonymous #3 1w

it’s been well documented that conservatives don’t care about real facts

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Anonymous #3 1w

Just because something occurs in nature does not make it “good”. All animals die of either being eaten, exposure to elements, killed for sport, disease/parasites and/or starvation. If you repeat their patterns expecting a result that is civil rather than wild, you are expecting a unique mathematical outcome rather than something we observe to be a constant with wild behavior.

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Anonymous #4 1w

Who said I’m a conservative? Again, thoughts originating in your mind, not mine. I didn’t introduce that word into this thread. You did.

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Anonymous #3 1w

I think you’re forgetting that we aren’t animals. Most animals are also savages, and have a life expectancy of like less than 20 years. We are not animals. Maybe in the basic sense of the word, but we have brains that i’m more developed than theirs

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Anonymous #8 1w

idc what you call yourself, you’re displaying conservative (read: incorrect) ideas and using conservative (read: stupid) talking points

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Anonymous #1 1w

No biologically there’s nothing that separates us from the rest of anamalia, to say “oh but humans have the most developed brains” is like saying “oh platapuses are the only mammal that lates egg” different species have their own unique traits. Furthermore there are animals that have significantly more life span than we do and there are animals with brains that are just as advanced as ours like dolphins. To say humans are distinct from other animals doesn’t mean anything, every species is

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Anonymous #1 1w

Cute biology lesson guys this is like the most comments I’ve seen without aqua

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Anonymous #8 1w

So you can bring up our "cave brains" and science and biology when it suits your agenda but when I do it to prove the gay sex naturally occurring (never once said it was good or bad) it's all of a sudden irrelevant? Yeah, frankly i don't really care what you believe is good or natural. All i know is, it's stupid to argue with someone about their sexual orientation. I stated multiple times me & my gf are perfectly happy, and it's frankly sad that is such a hard concept for you to grasp

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Anonymous #3 1w

Life isn’t only about being happy. Don’t get me wrong, life is tasteless without happiness, but a society that aims to survive will discuss the best methods of doing it. You have free will and can do as you wish, but the people attempting to insure that society survives multiple generations will likely recommend against behaviors that leave you childless and at the highest risk of domestic violence if continued.

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Anonymous #8 6d

So fun fact, plenty of same sex couples can do have children. Also having children isn't a requirement for any couple. Queer or not, and it doesn't make them morally inferior if they choose not to contribute to society in that way. Children are expensive, overpopulation and overuse of natural resources is a serious issue, and there are plenty of children who are alive now that don't have the advantages of being in a loving and safe household.

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Anonymous #8 6d

i also believe that if you don't prioritize your own happiness then life isn't worth living. it's not your burden to ensure that society survived multiple generations, and if that is the only reason why you view queer relationships as wrong, then i truly pitty you bc you cleary do believe in love.

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Anonymous #3 6d

“Those who live lives devoid of meaning tend to distract themselves with pleasure” Golden rule. I’ll pitty you back and hope/pray you find meaning rather than happiness.

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Anonymous #8 6d

yeah i should really it alone at this point but i also love educating bigots so. queer relationships ≠ seeking pleasure. i said me and my gf were happy together, as another way to say we love each other, and i know that might be a hard concept for you to grasp. Believe or not though, queer people can also have meaningful lives while still being queer :)

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Anonymous #3 6d

Your statement was “prioritize your own happiness” not even that of your “partner”. I’ll introduce a new word now. Hedonist. Which again, is a failing long term strategy for life.

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Anonymous #8 6d

do you do standup?

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Anonymous #4 6d

It’s been suggested.

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Anonymous #2 5d

as a man who doesnt want this, im pretty sure it's just about laziness.

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