Anonymous #1 12w

Then why don’t more men self-identify as feminists if they know that the definition and premise of it is good? There are bad people in any sort of group who may make the rest look bad, but it doesn’t mean the main focus of the group is wrong.

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Anonymous #1 12w

two basically said exactly my point. just like how men aren't a monolith feminist aren't either.

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Anonymous #2 12w

Think of it like the word incel, by definition it just means involuntarily celibate, but now it’s associated with hating women, so if anything even if true, men will use virgin instead of incel due to it’s more modern interpretation, feminism even if it has good intentions just has too bad of a stigma for most men.

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Anonymous #3 12w

I think that’s a bit of an unfair comparison. Incels have been given that perception because of hatred and in some cases violence and abuse against women. And their whole basis is that they’re angry that women won’t have sex with them. There are of course self-proclaimed feminists who say bad things. But even so, their anger comes from a place of centuries of patriarchal oppression. Doesn’t always make it right, but do you see how it’s not really an even comparison?

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Anonymous #2 12w

Well it best thing I could think of for a relatively harmless word that ended up getting a new more harmful part to it

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Anonymous #3 12w

Yeah I get what u were trying to say. I just think that in this case there are more well-intentioned feminists than bad ones. And I think feminism does more overall to help than harm.

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Anonymous #3 12w

Sexual assault and domestic violence are big issues that come up for me. Even though they’re illegal, they still happen at alarming rates, and women often do not get justice in these circumstances, let alone believed. And yeah the whole abortion thing is a pretty heated issue right now, I’d say that it’s pretty significant for a woman to be able to make medical decisions about her own body. We’ve definitely had a lot of progress in women’s rights (which is thanks to feminism!), but there

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Anonymous #2 12w

Is still ways to go, and a lot of it I think also has to do with shifting toxic societal ideas, which goes beyond just changing laws. Stuff like viewing women as objects, or even like rigid gender roles which say men shouldn’t cry or express emotion.

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Anonymous #2 12w

Men don’t self-identify as feminist for the same reason they don’t self-identify as nice guys

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Anonymous #3 12w

Also just because we have the privilege of living in the US doesn't mean we shouldn't also fight for those who don't hage a voice! feminism is for everyone, everywhere :)

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Anonymous #4 12w

That’s really not it. If you see it as such you’ve either been looking in the wrong places or been very gravely misinformed.

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Anonymous #4 12w

it's not the whole discussion though, i suggest doing research on what modern feminism is and form opinions based on that instead of what you might've seen a feminist say online

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Anonymous OP 12w

It’s what I’ve seen online and it’s what I have experienced in person. What articles say about it online mean little to me because I don’t see it lived out that way in my day to day experience.

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Anonymous #4 12w

That's still making a generalization though. It be the same thing if a women came on here and said all men are cheaters bc her dad cheated on her mom, she had been cheated on by her ex-boyfriends, and her friends have been cheated on by their ex's and she seen other women online who have been cheated on by their boyfriends would you then say she is still valid by claiming all men are cheaters?

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Anonymous seeya_space_cowboy 12w

So if you know and support the actual movement instead of being the change you want to see and being an example for other men, you just don't participate in it at all? I'm confused.

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Anonymous OP 12w

no i never said i dont support it. i said when the vast majority of what young men see on the internet is "i hate men", thats their impression of feminism as you can see with this whole thread of posts. your question was about why feminism doesn't appeal to men and thats your answer; a lot of men think its about hating men. you can see my thoughts about feminism in one of the other posts, im not gonna type it out again though

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Anonymous OP 12w

sorry i meant to say "i never said i dont participate"

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Anonymous seeya_space_cowboy 12w

yeah what's interesting to me is men on here literally jump you if you make a generalization about men but apparently it's okay to make generalizations about a whole political movement that's been around for decades because of a things said by radicalist online that they didn't bother to fact check. this isn't @ you or anything it's just interesting.

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Anonymous OP 12w

yeah no totally understand what you're saying. i think a lot of guys are wrapped up emotionally in feeling cast out by the movement because on social media, the only popular videos are the radical ones. its unfortunate that we see so little content aimed at a unified effort for equality. i do think that a lot of men need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture though. when you think about it logically, obviously feminism is not just about hating men; thats not productive for anyone.

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