Anonymous #2 1w

Now that I think about it, me too, in some ways but I also studied history so that's a check in itself on being pushed too far to the right for obvious reasons. But then law school pushed me further to the left than studying history alone did.

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Anonymous #2 1w

Now im curious how?

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Anonymous OP 1w

On economics I moved further to the left, but I moved right on basically everything else. I realized that are a number of subtle, yet significant gaps in the progressive understanding of history, philosophy and global affairs, stemming largely from a lack of scientific rigor. Intersectionality and Marxism as frameworks are commendable examples of systems thinking, but personal biases prevent left wing academics from using them honestly and taking ideas to their logical conclusions, which…

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Anonymous OP 1w

China appears to have stumbled upon the same conclusion as I have, which is precisely why they have adopted “Socialism with Chinese Characteristics” as opposed to democratic Trotskyist internationalism.

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Anonymous OP 1w

TLDR; https://youtu.be/keX7m50zfuI?si=2pwn5AfzY1OaGjlS

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Anonymous OP 1w

You can also look at thinkers like Irving Kristol and James Burnham for more examples of the “wormhole” I’m talking about.

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Anonymous stanczyk 1w

You did with me

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Anonymous #5 1w

what was it about ?

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Anonymous stanczyk 1w

No

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Anonymous #4 1w

Chat is it weird to care about the society that you live in

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Anonymous OP 1w

fair

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Anonymous stanczyk 1w

I’m the guy who said masculinity is an aesthetic, and trans people are real

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Anonymous #7 1w

Go off queen

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Anonymous OP 1w

Chat is it weird that liberals have to shove it down everyone’s fucking throat tht they are liberals nd make it their personality trait 24/7

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Anonymous #4 1w

Yeah chat, it is pretty weird to have beliefs and principles that affect the way you interact with the world.

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Anonymous #5 1w

Both sides have that. Just because you disagree doesn’t make those views invalid. You know, like how you want people to treat you.

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Anonymous #7 1w

Yeah but one sides beliefs are, “I believe in love and kindness, and I just want to be myself”, and the other side says shit like“I want to legislate you and your community out of existence.” So maybe there’s a reason liberals like making their opinions heard.

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Anonymous #5 1w

I gotta stop getting in political debates because if anyone even comes close to supporting trump or the republicans, they are literally a terrible person by my moral standards

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Anonymous #5 1w

Your assessment of R vs D is completely baseless. THAT is why you should stop arguing politics.

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Anonymous #5 1w

Republicans: We hate your opinion Democrats: we hate you FOR your opinion.

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Anonymous #7 1w

You can’t claim not to hate people when the president is currently sending the national guard to attack and detain random people in the streets for looking too Mexican.

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Anonymous #7 1w

Also saying that you’re a bad person is not the same as hating you. But I’m not even going to lie, I do hate you. It’s just that I’m not actively seeking to harm you, like some republicans try to do to me

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Anonymous #5 1w

I am done with this.

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Anonymous #5 1w

Excellent!!

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Anonymous #5 1w

He is not doing that. Stop listening to CNN, or worse, MSNBC.

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Anonymous #5 1w

I doubt anyone is trying to harm you.

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Anonymous #7 1w

I close my eyes so I do not see.

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Anonymous #5 1w

Insult and not offer anything to the contrary. You’re totally on brand!! They love you for it!!

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Anonymous #5 1w

This is the most illogical dumb explanation I have ever heard. Liberals act js like conservatives but in a different font. It’s the same side of the coin. You also js contradicted yourself when u said tht you hate #7 but apparently your side believe in “love and kindness” so where’s the love gng 💀😂

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Anonymous #4 1w

The paradox of tolerance *does a big shrug and gets back to doing homework*

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Anonymous #5 1w

Thought terminating cliche moment

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Anonymous #7 1w

Don’t forgot them bringing up the race card holding it like it’s their ace nd then blasting it all over social media on how they got attacked by conservatives and then creating yet again another fake facade of activism so it can help them feel better when they go to sleep at night

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Anonymous #5 1w

This is one of the many gaps I mentioned.

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Anonymous #2 1w

I was gonna join this conversation after work but now yall have devolved too far for there to be any opportunity for intelligent discussion. You’re all (on both sides) just spouting brain dead anti-other rhetoric and trying to assert your moral superiority over each other with no room for common ground

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Anonymous #7 1w

Both sides think this is what arguing with the other side is like. Replace the word “liberal” with “uneducated person” and you have reality

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Anonymous OP 1w

Blah blah blah. You started with the belligerent shit in your opening post. And now, in typical lib fashion, are whining about it.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Do you read theory?

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Anonymous OP 1w

Aren’t “liberal” and “uneducated person” synonyms?

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Anonymous #7 1w

Calling them midwits is more apt

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Anonymous #7 1w

I use my education to make well informed claims and defend those claims in arguments against those who disagree with me. I believe that mostly due to ignorance and being fed propaganda, there are tons of conservatives on Yik yak that spout disgusting rhetoric that is not based in fact. I fight against it because it is the right thing to do. I’m not whining about anything, I’m merely pointing out how counterproductive the conversation you were having was

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Anonymous #7 1w

Fact to think about: statistically, the more educated you are, the more likely you are to be a liberal. The less educated you are, the more likely you are to be republican. This is fact. I cannot claim causation, but there is a strong proven correlation

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Anonymous #2 1w

Do I… read theory… what kind of theory????? Be more specific lmao

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Anonymous OP 1w

No. You expressed superiority over conservatives and thanked your liberal education for the ability to do that. Plenty of people with degrees are idiots and plenty of plumbers are brilliant. “Well informed” and “indoctrinated” could be synonyms in this context. Further, nothing is organic bc you already have a personal prejudice again the other side that shapes how you process whatever information you receive.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Political theory, we’re talking about politics.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Exactly my point. Indoctrination, which is what most of college is, is very much favored by liberals. Thanks!

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Anonymous #7 1w

I’d like you to point out exactly where I expressed superiority, because I’m pretty sure I didn’t. I don’t believe I’m superior. I was saying that my liberal arts education (which, I would like to clarify, means I have studied a wide range of topics, not that I have studied liberalism). I use my education to make well informed claims, based on what is known to be fact/true and think critically about my own beliefs and the information I come across in my life.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Once upon a time, I considered myself conservative. Then, as I learned more and gained more life experience, I realized that I was wrong about many things. No, I was NOT “indoctrinated” by my education. I have never lucky never to have been told what to believe in my education. I was taught to gain all the unbiased information I can and form my beliefs based on what is proven to be true and synthesizing information in a critical way.

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Anonymous #2 1w

Me when I want to terminate your thoughts

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Anonymous OP 1w

There was certainly an air of your education made you better than conservatives.

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Anonymous #7 1w

The idea that our college system is liberal indoctrination is a lie created by the conservative propaganda machine. I would love for you to articulately describe exactly how college is indoctrination.

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Anonymous #7 1w

“I am happy because everyone loves me.”

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Anonymous #5 1w

Functionally identical concept to Carl Schmitt’s Friend-Enemy distinction. Carl Schmitt, by the way, was a notable devout member of the Nazi party.

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Anonymous #2 1w

I know who Carl Schmitt is, didn’t have to spell it out for me. But like, tell me some more about your favorite guy if you want

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Anonymous OP 1w

Sorry for being belligerent, I’m absolutely not trying to accomplish anything right now

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Anonymous #5 1w

What a load of shit. “I’m happy because I love myself first and don’t seek internal value from external sources.”

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Anonymous #7 1w

I don’t think that I’m better than anyone. I think that I am more educated than the majority of conservatives (a statistical fact, the majority of them do not have a college degree) and I think that I know things that some conservatives do not about the world, things that challenge their beliefs. I feel that it is important to talk about these things that we disagree on in order to find common ground based in reality and truth.

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Anonymous #5 1w

?

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Anonymous #7 1w

Its a quote from an artist named Louis Wain.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Well you said this conversation was unproductive, and I’m not helping

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Anonymous #5 1w

I accept your apology

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Anonymous OP 1w

Sounds good. But you don’t automatically know anything more with your education than anyone else, even those who haven’t gone to college. We live in the Information Age for crying out loud. You say you want common ground, but it has to be around your parameters. You’re too arrogant to look for it outside of that. As are most liberals. Particularly those that want to argue.

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Anonymous #5 1w

Great. It doesn’t apply to me.

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Anonymous #5 1w

His contributions to the field of political theory are overall exceptional. He’s received some criticism for the apparent simplicity of his conclusions, but their real value is precisely in how fundamental they are.

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Anonymous #7 1w

This is the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard. “Just because you know more than me, doesn’t mean you know more than me.” Newsflash buddy, people who went to college simply are better than you. Because you did your own research and now you’re a republican, so you clearly did a bad job.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Well, there’s a character limit so we could be here for a while. But since all you could do was say this is a “lie created by the conservative propaganda machine” I will respond in kind and say “no it’s not. You’re wrong.”

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Anonymous #2 1w

Damn you actually took the bait and started sucking the dick of the guy you pointed out was a Nazi. I don’t even have to do anything

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Anonymous OP 1w

“I don’t think I’m a better person than them, I just think I’m more educated than them. Being educated made me into a better person btw.”

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Anonymous #7 1w

No I don’t automatically know anything more. But I DO know more about things that I have read about and studied than people who have not read about and studied those topics. For example gender, which I have read about and studied and the average conservative gets all their information from owning the libs YouTube videos and Fox News. In this instance, I probably have something important to say that the less educated person has never considered

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Anonymous #2 1w

That might not be what OP’s saying, but it’s sure as fuck what I’m saying. I’m tired of anti intellectualism, you need to realize the fact that you people are stupid

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Anonymous #5 1w

Just because somebody went to college doesn’t mean they know more than anyone else. What is unclear about that? Nothing

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Anonymous #5 1w

“Took the bait”

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Anonymous #5 1w

Did you read my thread? I also have a liberal arts education lmao.

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Anonymous #7 1w

>be me >go to college, specifically with the purpose of learning things from experts >get told that I have not learned more things than someone who did not go to college >what the fuck

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Anonymous #2 1w

lol I I’m not even fucking trying and you already revealed you’re a Nazi

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Anonymous #5 1w

Nah that’s charlie chaplin

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Anonymous #5 1w

Wait. Colleges are full of experts???? Also, ANY BOOK available to you in college is available to anyone else who wants to read it. You’re not doing a lot to prove that college has made you smarter when common sense isn’t a flower that is thriving in your garden.

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Anonymous #7 1w

Do you read theory?

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Anonymous #2 1w

I do not.

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Anonymous #7 1w

YOU FUCKING CLOWN 🤡

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Anonymous #7 1w

Yes. Colleges are full of experts. At an actually good school, you learn from the professors, not the textbooks. But the most important thing that a good education teaches is CRITICAL THINKING. It is an infinitely more valuable thing than “common sense” because common sense is not actually a framework for understanding the world. What common sense really is is a set of established societal norms. That is all that is. Now, people invoke it to dismiss anything that challenges their worldview

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Anonymous #7 1w

You should start.

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Anonymous #2 1w

Yeah but don’t read the books this person recommends, it’s just gonna be mein kampf

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Anonymous OP 1w

“Experts” is subjective. “Can you regurgitate and examine some data and get published occasionally? Great. Here’s your job.” I will say critical thinking is of vital importance and many don’t do it. Like anyone who believed masks during Covid or 6ft separation or a non-tested vaccine. Of course, common sense led to those being questioned as well. Really wasn’t much critical thinking needed. The “more educated” liberals bought and sold it. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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Anonymous #5 1w

Insults always when they have nothing else. Another liberal identifier. Lol.

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Anonymous #7 1w

Bitch you don’t read books, shut the fuck up

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Anonymous #5 1w

Wait. I thought y’all liked Nazis now.

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Anonymous #5 1w

This is what annoys me about these turning point types, but I don’t hold it against them morally. Not everyone needs to be a philosopher, nor can one expect everyone to be.

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Anonymous #5 1w

Ooooooh temper tantrum.

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Anonymous #5 1w

Genuinely idk how I made it this far right without reading that one yet. I guess I’m saving it for if I get rejected from art school or something

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Anonymous #7 1w

You know I’ve been making fun of you for a long time, right? This is helping me stay awake so I can finish my assignments

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Anonymous #2 1w

Nazi Nazis Nazily

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Anonymous #5 1w

Yes. And I know you think it should bother me. And I know that it bothers you that it doesn’t. And you’re only bringing attention to it now because you need to somehow feel right bc aren’t able to offer any arguments to anything I’ve said because of your own intellectual limits. Maybe if you FOCUSED on your assignments…🤷🏻‍♂️😬

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Anonymous #7 1w

Lmao

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Anonymous #7 1w

See this right here is rich. People who believed in masks during COVID aren’t critical thinkers? It is a clinically proven FACT that masks reduce the spread of airborne disease. It is a FACT. However, you will blatantly ignore this fact because you simply don’t like it, and because Fox News or some conservative social media guy told you that masks weren’t necessary and was federal overreach (rich considering the amount of federal overreach the trump admin is doing right now).

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Anonymous OP 1w

If you could think critically, you would realize that Fox News LIED about masks, because the facts show that masks do, in fact, help curb the spread of airborne disease.

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Anonymous OP 1w

I didn’t watch Fox News about it. Or about anything else. Masks can protect against SOME airborne disease. Not Covid.

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Anonymous #7 1w

L M Fucking A O

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Anonymous OP 1w

Who tf still watches fox news aside from boomers?

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Anonymous #2 1w

Who the fuck is still paying attention to any of the mainstream media? They’re all corrupt.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Hey, by the way, how do you think Covid originated?

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Anonymous #7 1w

Exactly. Murdoch is more loyal to the US dollar than he is to the US

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Anonymous #2 1w

That’s true all major media.

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Anonymous #7 1w

I’d hardly call them “major” these days lol

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Anonymous #2 1w

Sadly, president of the United States watches Fox News…

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Anonymous OP 1w

Ok but what about the conservatives and other people who also have a degree and are educated? I do agree w some parts u saying how education is critical and being able to form/ regulate your opinions and thoughts are very important especially in a digital word we live in today. I have a degree and currently pursuing medical school route and I’m not even full conservative (rather middle ground). But the liberals I have met and talked with (all w degrees btw) have genuinely been the

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Anonymous OP 1w

Yeah, and I certainly have my criticisms of him.

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Anonymous #4 1w

Most dumb fucks I have ever met and say the most baseless arguments. Many of you liberals blindly copy one another and then promote this idea that all conservatives are all horrible people. Some are genuinely tryna think for themselves and their livelihood to live the next day. Some may be bad some aren’t. The same way u changed from conservative to liberal is how I changed more to conservative just from seeing how ignorant many liberals are. #5 is clear example of how they are

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Anonymous #4 1w

Somehow I doubt #5 would describe themselves as a liberal

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Anonymous #2 1w

Yeah, I’m not a liberal, I’m a leftist

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Anonymous #4 1w

Conservatives do their thing because it benefits them personally. Obviously. You can say the same exact thing about me. This stuff isn’t very complicated tbh

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Anonymous #5 1w

Have you read Rousseau? His work seems to be a sort of “missing link” between Locke and Marx, though it lacks real materialist analysis.

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Anonymous #2 1w

Putting it on the list little buddy. Honestly wish I had more time to read. But at least I try, heheheh

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Anonymous #5 1w

I was thinking about finishing with one last reply to that one but decided since you, or at least someone, made it clear you wanted it (the conversation) to be over I decided against it, don't think much was to be gained from doing so anyways

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Anonymous #5 1w

wait nvm, i was thinking of a different post, I aught to go finish up there since I forgot about it

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Anonymous #2 1w

for me i took a christian apologetics class and i got pushed left

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Anonymous #8 1w

Welcome aboard, it’s a big tent (though we prefer to keep islam to an absolute minimum)

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Anonymous #2 1w

Casual Islamophobia is really cool keep it up bro

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Anonymous OP 1w

Terrible religion. Destructive, subjugating to women, deadly for gays, and aimed at world domination. There’s no reason to NOT speak out against it.

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Anonymous #7 1w

What if I told you all of that could be used to describe Christianity

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Anonymous OP 1w

You’d be wrong.

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Anonymous #7 1w

Christianity LITERALLY DID take over the world already. Remember the British empire? The conquistadors? They spread Christianity to the natives and violently subjugated them. Christianity has always been used to subjugate women. People TODAY are still using the Bible to fig against women’s rights. Many Christians believe gays are wrong and have committed violence against gays, and all lgbtqia+ people.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Well, it never took over the entire world but you’re correct in that a lot of bad things were done in the name of Christianity. But you can’t even come close to comparing modern day Christianity with modern day Islam. The differences, Christians who commit atrocities in the name of religion, are misreading the book. Muslims who do the same, are not.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Christian nationalism, Islamic nationalism, Jewish nationalism. religious nationalism almost always leads to these things. Religious nationalism gave us the taliban, and it gave us the trump administration. Obviously, not EVERY person in a religion is like this. This is why it is stupid and bigoted to say that ALL Muslims want to commit terrorism, to subjugate women, to kill gays, to control the world. Just as it is stupid and bigoted to say the same about ALL Christians.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Actually, bullshit politicians from both sides is what fave us Trump. And he’s KILLING IT, thankfully. I never said all Muslims anything but the difference is Christians will speak out against other Christians’ misdeeds. I don’t see that from the peaceful majority of Muslims. Further, the fact that Islamophobia is a word and Christianphobia isn’t just shows the disparity in what is/isn’t ok to criticize. You even started with “but Christians!” as if that makes awful Muslim behavior excusable.

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Anonymous #7 1w

The misandry of religion. Maybe Christianphobia is not a word because we live in a Christian ruled society which gives us all propaganda that we should hate Muslims, which you fell for completely uncritically

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Anonymous stanczyk 1w

Huh I didn’t see this comment. Yeah, you can go ahead and give up.

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Anonymous #5 1w

You’re a little extreme and it kills any sort of attempt at discussion. I don’t hate Muslims but I do think their motives are questionable and worth scrutiny. I haven’t “fallen for” anything. You know nothing about me.

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Anonymous #7 1w

Ight now I was criticizing OP before but now #7 is ret*rded asf as well. Interesting 😂😂. So what exactly Is islam dominating nd what harsh subjugation are women being forced to go through? This is coming from a Muslim female as well

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Anonymous #7 1w

Yeah whatever. If I’m extreme for not being an islamophobe, imma keep being extreme

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Anonymous #4 1w

Then I don’t trust you at all.

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Anonymous #5 1w

Doesn’t surprise me in the least. You do you boo.

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Anonymous #7 1w

boo u shouldn’t b trusting nobody fr anyways besides god. Dumbfuck 😂

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Anonymous #7 1w

Fun fact college is the time when people get away from their parents, the people that children typically blindly follow. College is when you start developing your own view points

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Anonymous #10 1w

Yes. And?

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Anonymous #7 1w

If you can’t get what I’m pointing at then you truly are cooked or willing ignorant and there’s no point in engaging with you

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Anonymous #7 1w

The reason you can’t explain why it’s a lie is NOT that there is a character limit. You could easily type multiple posts or just give me literally any single reason. No, the reason you can’t explain it is because THERE IS NO EVIDENCE FOR IT. And there is no evidence for it because it is MADE UP. IT IS A LIE. YOU HAVE BEEN LIED TO.

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Anonymous #10 1w

Given that you want to waste time being cryptic and then criticize me for not fully getting what you’re saying when you’re really too lazy to say anything means further discussion would be a futile lesson in patience. So cool. See ya.

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Anonymous OP 1w

In the words of Donald trump, “I love the poorly educated” I wonder why he said this. Maybe because the poorly educated are the ones who are voting for him, the ones that are easily lied to, who aren’t privy to the truth that once known, easily shuts down these lies

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Anonymous #7 1w

The reason that all you can say is “nuh uh, you’re wrong” is because there is no basis in truth for what you’re claiming. And you assume anything that challenges your beliefs must not be true. You may claim that you don’t assume this, but it is an unconscious bias. It takes conscious effort to overcome this bias. To do so, you must examine WHY you believe the things you believe, which is why I have asked you to explain why exactly college is liberal indoctrination

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Anonymous OP 1w

Ok. Cool. The thing is, I’m not trying to convince you. You think I need to convince you in order to prove myself. There’s that liberal arrogance. It wouldn’t matter at all what I “proved” to you because you’d have an argument to the contrary. Maybe valid maybe not. Likely you’d be “oh yeah? What is your source?” bc you’d deemed only certain sources valid and expect me to adhere to it or I’ve failed. More arrogance. Hard pass. Been down that road before.

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Anonymous OP 1w

But “nun uh, you’re wrong” is also all you said. As stated, why I responded in kind. I don’t have to invest more time and effort into this than you do. Again, liberal arrogance.

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Anonymous #7 1w

You’re obviously evading at this point. Cognitive dissonance get too strong for you? Either way, I would LOVE to be convinced that I’m wrong. That would be an opportunity to learn. When I’m talking to someone, especially debating, I expect both myself and them to make claims that are based in truth, not made up fantasy. At the very least, if you cannot explain why you believe something, you probably haven’t given it much thought in the first place.

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Anonymous OP 1w

I see someone with a contrary viewpoint to mine, and I seek to understand it. If their argument falls apart under scrutiny and when examining the facts, I will call them out on it.

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Anonymous OP 1w

If their argument is sound, based in truth, and makes sense, I would be happy to update my viewpoint and learn from my mistakes. But so far, you have not done this

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Anonymous OP 1w

Bullshit. You disagree with me and want me to prove to you I’m right. You know you’ll never agree with me so then you feel good about me humbling myself before you and failing. Transparent as fuck.

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Anonymous OP 1w

And neither have you.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Excellent. That sounds great!! As it should be.

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Anonymous #7 1w

My claim that you have been lied to is based on the fact that I have not seen any credible evidence to support the claim that college is liberal indoctrination. Thus, I asked you to explain yourself. So that if I’m wrong, I can learn. I would be happy to do some quick research and tell you exactly why it is a lie.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Please, explain as I have asked, and see whether or not I change my mind. I’m begging you to do some actual research and use your critical thinking skills that I’m sure you have somewhere deep in your brain

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Anonymous OP 1w

Sweetie, I’ve done my research and my critical thinking and even just observation and convo with others. You think I’m lying. Great. It’s no skin off my nose. You’re already not listening bc I’ve said several times why I’m not pursuing it further and complying with your demands. Your liberal arrogance is showing.

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Anonymous #7 1w

Yeah bro… MY arrogance is showing…

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Anonymous #4 1w

That’s just a stupid thing to say. But speaks volumes.

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