Anonymous #3 11w

it really isn’t you can have a baby without trying to have a baby sex is sex ..

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Anonymous #5 11w

if she consents to hooking up, is it okay for me to lie about using birth control so that i can discretely get her pregnant (or vice versa for women)? according to you, she gave consent to having sex, which means she also gave consent to having a baby, even though it's by deception

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Anonymous #5 11w

Because if you’re using condoms and birth control you can almost 100% control pregnancy

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Anonymous #4 11w

Why are you downvoting me I’m right.

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Anonymous #4 11w

Because 1. You missed the point 2. Thanks to modern medicine we have 100% control over whether or not someone gets pregnant

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Anonymous #6 11w

Are you talking about abortion? And what point did I miss?

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Anonymous #4 11w

Abortion, birth control has gotten 10x better and condoms (if used properly) are 98% effective

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Anonymous #6 11w

So there’s still a two percent chance of getting pregnant if you don’t kill a human

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Anonymous #4 11w

Not really, bc even then over half of pregnancies end in miscarriage in the first 2 weeks

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Anonymous #6 11w

Yeah, I don’t believe in that stat. That’s way too much. Whatever the case, if you choose not to kill an innocent person, you still concede the chance of getting pregnant

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Anonymous #4 11w

You’re hilarious

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Anonymous #4 11w

so a fetus isn't a human. it's a fetus.

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Anonymous OP 11w

It’s literally a human. It has human dna. There is no argument you can make that it isn’t a human.

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Yeah, it would be, that’s why I don’t have sex. Because I don’t want a kid at this time. Possibly something like an iud can get close to 100%, but no birth control method is 100% effective

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So your point is, a fetus as you call it, isn’t a human because what? Why isn’t it a human

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Anonymous #4 11w

by your definition a lock of hair on the grown of a barber shop has human dna, so it's a human right? the barbers and beauty shop owners need to ask for consent before they sweep it up and throw it away?

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Anonymous OP 11w

ground*

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Anonymous OP 11w

Now you’re just being disingenuous. You know a fully developed baby is coming out after 9 months. At conception, a new human is made. Why don’t you think that baby is a human? At what point is the baby a human?

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Anonymous #3 11w

what are you even talking about… people hook up raw and then get pregnant or the condom can break.. ? not everyone is on birth control, if you have sex there is a slight possibility even if you wear protection the woman could get pregnant? sex is still sex trying for a baby or not

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Anonymous #4 11w

Because it doesn’t breathe air. If it can’t survive outside of a host it’s not human to me

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Anonymous #6 11w

we aren’t talking about almost, it’s in general you can still be on birth control, wear a condom and their still is a possibility of getting pregnant from that

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Anonymous OP 11w

A fetus is a growing developing human. Hair on a barber shop floor will never grow into anything.

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Anonymous #4 11w

By that definition an egg is a chicken, and a larvae is a butterfly

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Anonymous #6 11w

A fertilized egg *is* a developing chicken, and a larvae *is* a developing butterfly. Those are literally just different phases of growth in their life cycle.

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Anonymous #6 11w

“By that definition” is the definition of biological science. What definition are you going off of?

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Anonymous #4 11w

when they can make their own decisions and are a living and breathing person? how do you murder something that wasn't ever alive?

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Anonymous OP 11w

You think a toddler is making their own decisions?

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Anonymous #4 11w

yes? critical thinking, fine motor skills, and basic decision making is part of a toddler's development.

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Anonymous #11 11w

“End up” that should be something you talk about beforehand

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Anonymous #6 11w

Phrased it wrong here, meant pumping inside on purpose bc she wanted it, not pumping inside on accident

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Anonymous #5 11w

Yea but the pregnancy is never viable.

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Anonymous #6 11w

? what are you talking about, one poke in the condom n u can get pregnant

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Anonymous #12 11w

If terminating pregnancies is illegal where you live, the burden is arguably on the person who doesn’t intend to keep the child to communicate that in advance. This way their sexual partner can decide in advance if they consent to potentially having to break the law. Access to abortion is a human right, but that isn’t an excuse to be lax about informed consent and ignore the realities of your situation

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Anonymous OP 11w

A fetus literally is alive. You are a moron

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Anonymous OP 11w

A fetus literally has its own central nervous system separate to the mother’s.

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Anonymous #9 11w

there is a difference between being alive and then living. i never said it wasn't alive, but being alive and living aren't the same thing. someone who is on life support and can't move, speak or even think for themselves, and is surviving by machines and medicine is technically alive, but they aren't living. they also usually aren't able to make their own decisions.

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Anonymous OP 11w

You literally did. But I don’t accept that argument either.

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Anonymous #9 11w

The point is though abortion is a form of birth control that all women should have the right too, and because of it's existence it means that whenever you consent to sex you aren't consenting to a pregnancy.

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Anonymous OP 11w

We simply disagree. A fetus is alive living developing human, and we don’t believe that simply killing it is a right that everyone should have as a form of birth control. Pregnancy is a risk you take whenever you have sex. There’s forms of birth control you can use to lower that risk, but you’re still accepting that risk.

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Anonymous OP 11w

“Just cause I consented to going off of a ski ramp, doesn’t mean I consented to breaking my leg when I landed wrong”

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Anonymous #9 11w

So according to you a fetus is a alive developing human and therefore it's own independent human , but the minute you remove the fetus from the mother it dies. So how can you say it an human when it can't survive outside of the mother's body? Since it's apart of her body until the day the fetus is born. So why don't you think women should have a right to what happens to their body?

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Anonymous OP 11w

you also aren't accounting for non consensual sex. ik that wasn't my question but abortion is a form of birth control that exists. whether or not you agree it should be a right or not. so that's why even someone consents to sex they aren't consenting to be pregnant. plus abortions being illegal won't stop people from having them in unsafer ways. if it didn't exist that be an entirely different story but to act like it doesn't just because you disagree with the morality of it is just wrong.

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Anonymous OP 11w

It needs the mother obviously, but so does a baby outside of the womb. A baby outside would also die if you just left it. It is attached to the mother’s body, it isn’t the mother’s body. Big difference

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Anonymous OP 11w

Non consensual sex doesn’t matter in this context. Obviously if someone was graped, it isn’t the victims fault, but it’s less than 1% of cases. It is a form of birth control, but you do need to consider the morality of it. It’s murdering a human. It’s no different from someone murdering someone outside

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Anonymous #4 11w

The fetus isn't attached, it's a part of the women's uterus. It has been there sitting in her ovaries as an egg her entire life. By your logic everytime a women gets her period it's murdering a human being, since all an egg is an undeveloped human. Why is it when the egg is within the early stages of development all of a sudden has a life outside of the mother? How is it any difference if a mother experiences a miscarriage?

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Anonymous OP 11w

Again, that’s being disingenuous, just being an egg doesn’t mean it’s a human life, there is the potential for it, but it isn’t there yet until sperm comes in contact. That’s like saying dudes commit mass genocide when they jack off. And it’s different bc you can’t control a miscarriage. It’s a chance thing. Abortion is straight up murder

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Anonymous #4 11w

Why does the addition of the sperm change the fact that the egg has been in the women's body her whole life and can't survive without her body? Yes you did mention a newborn child wouldn't survive but it wouldn't die immediately if it was left alone. Anyone can take care of a baby, but fetus will no longer survive once it exists the body.

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Anonymous OP 11w

exits* that's why it's called giving birth, you are acting like once a egg is fertilized it's as much of its own being as a newborn baby, when only one of them can exist outside of the womb, and the womb belongs to the mother.

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