Anonymous #1 6w

I still think guys in majority should be making the first move

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Anonymous OP 6w

And most still do and expect to.

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Anonymous #2 6w

I can get being afraid but what I’m seeing online is that guys are moving more and more towards not wanting to make the first move at all

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Anonymous #1 6w

I feel like I’ve personally seen a decline. Like they just stare now

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Anonymous OP 6w

Well ya, we’re afraid of any consequences of her saying “no” or more likely a worse version of”no”.

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Anonymous #2 6w

That doesn’t happen as often. I’ve been rejected as well and “no” is not some horrible thing.

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Anonymous #3 6w

I think men saw a few things and got turned off by it completely. It depends on the context

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Anonymous OP 6w

If she just says no, then ya it will sting but not as bad, but I am referring more so to the worse versions she could say, like hell no, gross, *laughs at us*, or the worst one being calling us a creep.

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Anonymous OP 6w

Wdym by you think men saw a few things and got turned off by it completely?

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Anonymous #3 6w

By a few people saying things online

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Anonymous #2 6w

Yeah but how many times has that happen. The only times I’ve ever said I guy was a creep was when he approached me and said something sexual right offf the bat. If you’re respectful it should be fine

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Anonymous OP 6w

It doesn’t matter if it’s common, it’s common enough, a tbh just her saying those aren’t even the worst a woman could do that make us afraid to approach. Examples include getting hr involved, slandering us online, getting physically assaulted without being able to fight back, full on sueing us claiming we r*ped them when we didn’t with no consequences, etc. Even if the internet doesn’t 100 reflect reality, this stuff has been going on for so long, by many women, that for many guys the potential

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Anonymous #2 6w

risk outweighs the potential benefit.

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Anonymous #2 6w

That does not happen as often. It does happen and it’s wrong, but I personally have not seen it

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Anonymous OP 6w

Again, it just happens too often for us to worry about (especially the last two extreme examples), but similar to how women are afraid of men kidnapping, r*ping, and murdering them despite it not being a common thing, we are afraid of the uncommon criminalization of ourselves by women that don’t like us.

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Anonymous #2 6w

That cannot compare. Having your feelings hurt to us literally being raped is not the same

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Anonymous #6 6w

I can get why they would be nervous

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Anonymous OP 6w

I get that, it’s just the best I could compare the two of being somewhat that is uncommon, is something many people are afraid of.

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Anonymous #2 6w

It’s not uncommon for women tho. It has hapeoend to me where I feared for my safety

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Anonymous OP 6w

And that’s justifiable, like I perfectly get those happen, and guys definitely shouldn’t do any type of approaching where the fear is highest like alone at night, but girls often enough ably that to even “regular approaches”, and yes I get guys can be manipulative and do more damage to women, that making us more afraid since many women use those facts against us even if we don’t do anything like that to them.

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Anonymous #7 6w

It’s really surprising to me

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Anonymous OP 6w

“It’s not that uncommon though” yep and some of us have genuinely been accused of horrible things by women that we didn’t even pay any attention to because people are legitimately delusional and try to ruin your reputation

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Anonymous OP 6w

I used to make the first move but after having women pretend to be interested for 1-2 dates and then flipping the script entirely and painting me as a horrible person to outright accusing me of serious allegations with zero facts and causing an INSANE amount of stress in my life!?? I’m done. If she likes me she can approach me. I’ve been burnt TOO MANY TIMES.

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Anonymous purp_diamond 6w

When 95% of the time it leads nowhere and 10% of the time they get upset with you the odds are pretty much not logical to approach women anymore

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Anonymous #8 6w

And on the 5% chance they actually want to go on a date there’s a 80% chance they never want to see you again after that first date so maybe I’m just ugly and a come across as a piece of shit but yeah I have made friends from approaching women in the past don’t get me wrong but I’m done

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Anonymous #8 6w

That happens to me all the time but I still try

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Anonymous purp_diamond 6w

So you’re not dating

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Anonymous #10 6w

Same. I feel as if guys see things online and apply that to ppl they haven’t even approached yet.

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Anonymous OP 6w

Well I am

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Anonymous purp_diamond 6w

So then how do you approach it

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Anonymous OP 6w

I do not. They usually approach me or we just mutually fall into it

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Anonymous purp_diamond 6w

What does mutually fall in it mean

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Anonymous OP 6w

Well with my gf we both had a crush on each other and we just sorta drifted closer together until it was obvious. And we were just like "hey so we both like each other right? Let's make it official"

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Anonymous OP 6w

It’s not just what people have been saying online though, it’s from negative irl experiences too.

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