Anonymous #3 9w

Like you disagree with abortion?

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Anonymous #3 9w

it's naive to think consenting to sex is also consenting to pregnancy, when birth control methods exist. if someone doesn't want to be pregnant they have a right to not be.

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Anonymous #7 9w

well forcing someone to not keep a baby is just as bad as forcing someone to keep one. you shouldn't approach sex if your intentions are to abandon her if she gets pregnant does decide to keep the baby. you should stand by her decision regardless but especially if she wants to keep it bc it be your baby too.

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Anonymous OP 9w

That makes about as much sense as saying “I consent to jumping out a second story window but not to breaking my neck”. I think it’s naive to think that just because we have methods of lowering the risk of pregnancy, that that completely separates the act of sex from the risk of getting pregnant. You have a right to not get pregnant; and you’re welcome to exercise it by not engaging in acts that risk pregnancy.

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Anonymous #3 9w

You see that would be the case if we JUST have methods to lower the risk. However we don't. We have methods that will prevent a pregnancy entirely. Not just abortion either, vasectomies, and tubal ligation, even Plan B. Why is it when someone who wants to partake in sex for pleasure they have to also consider the risk of pregnancy when there r methods to prevent that from happening?

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Anonymous #3 9w

like by your logic every woman ever who doesn't want to be pregnant shouldn't from sex for pleasure? even though that's literally why birth prevention methods exist?? like the only reason i haven't gotten my tubes tied is bc i do want kids one day but after that u best believe im getting my tubes tied and i will continue to have sex for my own pleasure.

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Anonymous OP 9w

should abstain*

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Anonymous OP 9w

while it's more unlikely and a bit heartbreaking there are women are sexually active who can't get pregnant due to a multitude of health reasons. so it be stupid for them (if they were aware of their infertility) to consent to pregnancy when they consent to sex. and it's be unfair for them to abstain from sex all together. Pregnancy and sex r separate things both requiring mature conversations with both parties.

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Anonymous #3 9w

one more thing and then im done. this is also why communication is vital in any sexual relationship like if i were to do a man who has a vasectomy if might consider not using a condom (probably still would though bc of STI's) and if i did have my tubes tied i'd let my partner know specifically. it's literally why married couples when they get those surgeries it's a mutual decision since they are usually done having kids, but not sex.

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Anonymous OP 9w

Well you led with “if I get pregnant I’m not keeping it”, so I assumed that being sterilized was not in the picture here. If you literally cannot get pregnant, then sure, you don’t have to worry about the risk of getting pregnant. What I said is that if there’s a chance you can get pregnant, then you’re consenting to the possibility when you choose to take that chance. If you just want pleasure, there’s plenty of ways you can pleasure yourself that have 0 risk of pregnancy.

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Anonymous OP 9w

But yes, like I said, I agree that it’s important to communicate that you feel that way ahead of time, so that you both know where you stand and can make an informed decision.

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Anonymous #3 9w

Well I don't lead with it in that way, i tell them that i'm on birth control and to avoid the chance r pregnancy and STDs we should use a condom. If i get pregnant i probably won't tell them since it doesn't have anything to do with them if we aren't in a relationship. I make it clear I'm not having sex with them to get pregnant

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Anonymous #3 9w

also why should someone who doesn't want to be pregnant abstain from sex all together? i mean have you had sex?? lt's not the same as masturbating (which is what your suggesting right?) so it's not fair to tell women to be abstinent or to masturbate when they should have the right to an abortion or plan b.

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Anonymous OP 9w

I mean, it absolutely has to do with them if it’s also their kid. But yeah, if you think that way, definitely communicate that you do. Also, if you think masturbation is the only sexual act that can’t result in pregnancy, then you seriously lack imagination. And just for the record, everything I’m saying about consenting to risk applies to men too.

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Anonymous OP 9w

If you got pregnant and decided you wanted to keep it, but the man said “just cause I consented to sex with you, doesn’t mean I consented to impregnating you”, would he get to terminate the fetus? Like I said. If you consent to an act that can cause a pregnancy, then you’re consenting to the risk of pregnancy, and if one occurs, you’re responsible for it. Man or woman.

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Anonymous OP 9w

“You shouldn’t approach sex if your intentions are to abandon her” okay, and I’m saying you shouldn’t approach sex if your intentions are to kill it. Like, do you not see the double standard you set here?

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Anonymous OP 9w

If the man wants to keep it but the woman doesn’t, she can kill it. But if the man doesn’t consent to keeping it but the woman does, then too bad, his consent doesn’t matter, he has to do what she wants. In what way is that equal rights?

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Anonymous #3 9w

Okay first of all, and abortion is not equivalent to murder, a fetus isn't like a sentient being like the way you and i are, all it is is a fertilized egg that belongs to the mother.

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Anonymous #3 9w

It's not a double standard. Women aren't forcing men to do anything. All i said was that if he is gonna approach sex under the contense of forcing a woman to get an abortion is just as bad as forcing a women to keep a baby. If she does decide to keep the baby then yes of course the man has the option to duck out and not be involved, especially if when u had sex you both discussed ur stances on pregnancy.

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Anonymous OP 9w

and in the chance 7 hu with a women who didn't feel comfortable getting an abortion it be good thing to be in his child's life. nothing to do with the mother but the child. What i meant by approach is knowing you're gonna to abandon your child if she doesn't get an abortion is something u need to communicate with ur sexual partners

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Anonymous OP 9w

Yeah, I just think it’s wrong in both instances. It’s wrong to say “I don’t want it, I’m killing it” and also wrong to say “I don’t want it, I’m abandoning it.” But yeah, definitely communicate that so that people know going in.

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Anonymous #3 9w

you see this situation as so black and white. so consenting to a pregnancy is different than committing to rasing a child. if i were to hu with someone i would make it clear i don't want to be pregnant OR raise a child. if the other bc methods don't work & he doesn't support my right to an abortion then i'm not gonna have sex with him, bc i don't want to be pregnant. now if i changed my mind and was like i'll have the baby but i'm gonna give the baby up for adoption 1/2

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Anonymous OP 9w

and he was like "no you and i are gonna raise the baby together" that's a whole different conversation. when i said if i were to get pregnant i wouldn't tell them bc it was already established when we had sex i didn't want to be pregnant and they didn't want me to get pregnant. so why would i tell them im pregnant when we are both aware that isn't what i wanted and i can just go take care of it? i'd only tell on the chance i decide to go through the pregnancy and give the baby up for adoption.

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Anonymous #3 9w

once again you're killing anything when a women gets an abortion. a fetus is not a independent being capable of comprehending death. all it is the mother's egg that happened to be fertilized.

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Anonymous OP 9w

you're not^*

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Anonymous #3 9w

it also wouldn't be considered a murder in courtroom/legally. even if abortion is illegal in the state. if one is performed in a state where it's illegal they aren't charged for murder they are charged for performing or attempting to perform an abortion. not a homicide

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