The whole “I hate black people” vs “I hate men”comparison is stupid. A better one would be “I hate cops” vs “I hate men” or “I hate white people” vs “I hate men” “I hate men” is more about a general sentence that encompasses the society that coddles and protects one group at the supposed expense of another. It’s the same lazy way of describing a general feeling of dissatisfaction at being treated a certain way because of something you didn’t create but you have to deal with.
I don’t mind when a woman hates men. I mean, those kind of women raised me, and look how well I turned out! (This was a joke I turned out terribly) What I do mind is being the one to hear about it. In my experience, being “one of the good ones” doesn’t mean they like you at all, it just means they hate you the least. And I deserve better than just being tolerated
then you should understand that the context matters and they weren't saying it in a vaccum. people have trauma responses that can result in certain prejudices and it's good to work through them but that can only happen if you are aware of it. it isn't hard to be sympathetic towards a situation, which was the context of that post. obviously just saying you hate black people unprompted is racist
like im not denying that having that prejudice is wrong, because it is but it doesn't come out of a place of hatred, it comes out of a place of fear. and if you read the other comments then you would know that it's best to tell to said person when they aren't in a high emotional state talking abt whatever traumatic experience they had that what they said was wrong. especially if you are close enough to that person and know they didn't truly mean it out of hate
ACAB is another one. It’s both about cops as individuals and as cops as a system of policing “dangerous” communities (often POC, immigrants, sex workers, black Americans, gays etc). I mean the police force historically has ties to groups that would run down escaped enslaved people. Disclaimer: Obviously there are good cops out there who are trying to change the system but it’s not in an individuals power to change eons of history, hurt, bloodshed, and downright bigoted murder.
I think the difference here is that OP should have prefaced their answer with “no, that’s def not ok” and then acknowledged that men are a dominant societal group whereas black people are subordinate/marginalized - so the comparison is essentially null. A person saying that ab a black person after that scenario is ofc not ok, but it certainly does not inherently make a person racist or a bad person, which is what I think OP was trying to get at - bc #1 was arguing that saying “I hate men” is -
I think another thing to be said here is that people say ACAB because the institution that is the police upholds racist and problematic policy/law as well as our capitalist and patriarchal systems. I agree there are certainly good cops who are aware of this and try to do good, although most who understand that cops primarily exist for enforcement of laws (that they can equate to morality a lot of the time) do not want to become cops. But yea your point is super important here, I agree
😀. Here I just opened my mouth so you can put words in mine as well if you want. Like who said that. “Boys will be boys” is a great example of what was meant by that statement. Men also gain protection and advantage through their social status throughout life. There are countless other examples of male privilege and the power we gain by simply being born a boy in a world that continues to prioritize our desires/needs.
This is typically because “one of the good ones” is just a man doing the bare minimum of what he should be doing. Simply not conforming to patriarchal norms and toxic masculinity is not necessarily being one of the good ones, there’s much more we could be doing. Not saying you don’t deserve praise for even just that, but I wouldn’t suspect many people who are conscious of that stuff to praise you for just not acting like a dick. Going beyond being neutral in a patriarchal society is important.