Anonymous #1 2w

i'm against all AI bc i feel as if it's killing humanity

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Anonymous OP 2w

Because it’s being used wrong. AI is in a bad light because it’s all being tied things it shouldn’t be used for. Before GPT blew up, AI was being used to sequence genomes to understand dna mutations. It has a very practical application in lots of fields. But it doesn’t belong in art and all that. It’s only killing humanity because we are using it wrong

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Anonymous #1 2w

AI should only be available to researchers and universities imo

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Anonymous #1 2w

well then it shouldn't be supported for everyday use

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Anonymous #2 2w

AI is a huge dealbreaker tbh

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Anonymous OP 2w

Yes that’s what I was trying to get at

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Anonymous #7 2w

Also why is “AI art” bad. The fake computer generated basic art is terrible. But some stuff is pretty fantastic. I’ve seen music sets where digital artists use video recorded by cameras around the stage with AI to create some incredible effects. For instance a 360 slow pan around the artists, where all images have a particle effect. This is all done live and would be impossible for someone to do without AI Like “the camera” flew over a guys piano while he was playing it. All done live.

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Anonymous #7 2w

I think it's killing humanity because people are becoming over dependent on it, it doesn't teach you any skills, and it's taking jobs from people who are passionate abt it. AI art is bad because it lacks human soul. Art is an expression of emotion and a part of why it's so special is because it's difficult to make. A song written by someone who is grieving the love of their life can't be written by something that is artificial. Not to mention lots of AI Art steals from established artist.

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Anonymous OP 2w

It sounds like you think AI search engines and generators like chatGPT are bad. And not even the engines themselves, but the ways people use them (to avoid effort and abuse data libraries to easily generate low quality art, answers, or papers). AI as a tool is clearly distinct. Machine learning / smart algorithms like photoshop, green screens, motion trackers, etc are all tools artists can use to make digital art. You might not think these are AI but they are. ChatGPT is just the search query

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Anonymous OP 2w

In other words, I think machine learning is good across the board. It sounds like you think trained search engines are bad, not machine learning methods, and not AI in general. Again, disliking machine learning programs is like disliking computers. They are technological tools

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Anonymous #7 2w

i feel like you don't understand why I dislike AI. People don't use it just as a tool, they use it and pass off the work it does as their own. It's doesn't teach you how to draw, or how to write a song, or how to sing or how to act etc etc. How do you expect people to develop those skills of they are using AI?? When young aspiring filmmaker is fliming something in his backyard he doesn't have access to a green screen or cgi, he has access to his camera (or phone) and his imagination.

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Anonymous OP 2w

I like to think of it like auto tune. lots of people don't consider musicians who use auto tune as true vocalist, and I would agree that because they aren't. the use of auto tune doesn't teach you to sing the proper notes, and it's never going to make you sound any better than a true vocalist who put in the work and training of learning how to sing.

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Anonymous OP 2w

People plagiarizing ai work is entirely an artefact of human error and not inevitable. But if someone does use AI to help them create art and they’re transparent about it and people enjoy it what’s the issue ? Right now AI is probably not able to teach people how to write or make art or act as well as a human teacher but it can provide excellent resources on how to do those things if someone doesn’t have access to a human teacher

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Anonymous oranguru 2w

In what way is art not accessible? Saying that is just a slap in the face to all disabled artist, and/or lower income artist everywhere. There are so many ways people can be creative without depending on AI. There are books that you check out at a library, they can teach you how to play a guitar, or write a short story, or even acting exercises and techniques. Why are you against the pursuit of knowledge? As for "AI Artist" that are transparent abt it, are not artist.

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Anonymous oranguru 2w

and also if someone is truly passionate abt something, nothing will stop them from learning it. there are several artist that taught themselves how to draw or even how to play an instrument. like so what if it takes 10 years? what's the rush?

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Anonymous OP 2w

I don’t think art as it is now is super inaccessible or ableist or classist. But it’s simply easier to learn art if you can chat with an ai model that responds to your specific questions and concerns, than it is to go to a library and read a book that isn’t adaptive

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Anonymous OP 2w

A) ok now I know you’re generalizing all AI as chatgpt. You should say you don’t support people who like chatgpt or similar trained search algorithms. Not that you don’t like AI. B) Uhhhh, pirate photoshop? Or adobe premier pro? Or use open source software? If you own a camera, you’re probably not broke. And there is cheap and / or free software for a lot of this stuff

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Anonymous OP 2w

Like if you’re gatekeeping technology because of money… I don’t know how to tell you this but you’re in the wrong career dude. Most artistic fields are controlled by money. Period. You need lots of money to get in the door (instruments, art supplies, computers, ways to advertise your art). And after that, 95% of artists fail or aren’t profitable. I know like a hundred musicians who could headline but can’t because the industry is TERRIBLE

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Anonymous OP 2w

You are thinking so surface level. Which checks for the AI thing too. No real artist: A) Tries to make money off AI art or B) Tries to make money using autotune unless their audience just doesn’t care if they use those things. And everyone but like Adele uses some level of tuning and filters to improve their sound. Case in point Billy eilish. She has a fantastic voice but uses tons of tech in her music. And she won like 12 Grammys for it. That’s tech AND talent. You can have both lol

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Anonymous OP 2w

TL:DR you should rethink your position. If you’re going to be a classical / physical media artist, I hope you have a very specific, cool niche or you can find one. It’s almost impossible to make money painting unless you’re really good and sell tons of prints. If you’re into graphic design (a super cool field), you should be championing the advancement of AI and studying it. We wouldn’t have the visuals of Tipper, the animations of spider verse, or the 3D effects of interstellar without AI

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Anonymous #7 2w

i'm an actress. I never said musicians who use auto tune aren't musicians, i said they aren't vocalist. Billie Ellish isn't a vocalist, but she is a musican. So is Charli XCX, and maybe others. However, if you went to see a broadway show and they were using auto tune, you'd be disappointed? Also Spider-Verse is hand drawn, i actually know one of the animators is idk where you got that they use AI 💀

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Anonymous #7 2w

TL:DR AI has like 10 different meanings and neither of you have agreed to discuss the same one. AI art is slop. If I put into a prompt “make me a painting of a sunset in nyc” and it spits it out that’s slop and garbage and should be shunned.

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Anonymous OP 2w

Saying Billie isn’t a vocalist is crazy. She sings all her songs. Like what are you on??? She also has a fantastic voice. You should listen to her live. Also obviously a musician can be a vocalist as well as other things (dj, violinist, pianist, guitarist, etc etc). It’s a catch all term. Generic autotune? yes unless it was for a bit or a character. But life audio editing to improve sound quality? Absolutely not (they do that anyway)

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Anonymous OP 2w

They used audio methods, not generative AI, in spider verse. Funny enough straight from google AI, it’s the point I’ve been making all along!!

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Anonymous #7 2w

Asking AI bro…

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Anonymous #3 2w

Source if you’re scared of google’s engine: https://www.slashfilm.com/1459935/spider-man-across-the-spider-verse-christopher-miller-phil-lord-ai-future-animation/ and wow it’s basically a combination of OP and my perspective (their hate of generative AI vs my love for machine learning tools)

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Anonymous #7 2w

I was just being silly and pointing out the irony man I don’t actually care about the topic that much

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Anonymous #7 2w

So there is a difference between a vocalist and a singer. No one in pop music currently is a true vocalist. You can make an argument for Ariana Grande perhaps, but even then it's debatable. Cythina Ervio tho? She's a vocalist. Lea Michele, Jeremy Jordan, Idina Menzel, Kristin Chenowith, Jonathan Groff, are examples of some true vocalist. Billie is a decent singer, but she couldn't sing a song like Defying Gravity and would absolutely not be able to do an entire broadway musical.

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Anonymous #7 2w

I also never said being a vocalist is a requirement to be s musician. Obviously there are plenty that of musicians who aren't vocalists. The auto tune example tho was to frame how i feel about AI. You will never convince me that using auto tune sounds better than someone who is a naturally gifted singer. I also don't know what you mean by "life audio editing" in musical theatre. You cleary don't know much abt it, and id you think they edit the audio live then your wrong they are just THAT good.

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Anonymous OP 2w

like unless you've been in a musical or production where they were editing the audio or lip singing, musical theatre is about doing everything live even singing. that's why it's expensive to see a broadway show bc it's not gonna sound the same on the cast recording as it does on stage. it's not at similar to a concert

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Anonymous OP 2w

So do you just not like any modern music at all

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Anonymous #3 2w

i like plenty of modern music, i just prefer a different genre of music than you. Anyone can become a pop singer, it's not that hard. I value music with a bit more emotion and a strong voice.

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Anonymous OP 2w

So what do you think about rap music? Songs with real meaning and layers and emotion

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Anonymous OP 2w

So you used the word vocalist just to bring up a semantics debate since you have an acting background… gotta say this debate is probably exclusive to theater kids. Even Wikipedia lists Adele as a “singer-songwriter” even though she’s one of the best “singers” of modern music. Whatever dude. The point is Billie is a fantastic artist, musician, and singer who uses electronic editing with machine learned techniques to modify her voice and create her music. And she won 12 grammys doing it

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Anonymous OP 2w

Everyone has sound engineering. Low and high pass filters? Amplitude control? Feedback control? Ring any bells? If you’re using mics, you’re using sound engineering. And any high end production is NOT doing all the management live. They use programs to actively adjust settings because most production has a wide range of outputs over the course of the concert, set, song, or act. Anything more electronic than acoustic will have 100x the complexity. I’d consider those programs to be simple AIs

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Anonymous #7 2w

I was taught my one of my professors actually that if you're doing a play and you need a mic then the actors aren't doing there jobs properly. Most plays i've been in we didn't use mics bc of this wonderful thing i was taught in acting training called projecting. Musicals use mics because it's impossible to be heard over a live orchestra, which last time I checked is what most broadway musicals would use.

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Anonymous #7 2w

I used the word vocalist to describe a vocalist. Adele is a strong singer but her technique sloppy. She also lacks control and dictation. Great singer though and very talented. Billie Eillish is a talented musician too but to consider her a vocalist when she doesn't even utilize her voice in her music all that much is just ridiculous. She lacks the technique and training to really be considered a vocalist. The grammy's are subjective, it's not evidence that someone is a trained vocalist.

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Anonymous #3 2w

I enjoy rap music occasionally but it's not something I listen to all the much in my free time bc like i said I enjoy music with strong vocals. So i typically listen to broadway and occasionally old school R&B. Just bc i like different styles doesn't mean i hate other genres.

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Anonymous OP 2w

Great. So broadway uses machine learned sound engineering so its cast members can be heard at its shows. Hence AI.

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Anonymous OP 2w

Critiquing Adele is crazy work. You have one hell of an ego dude. Have a good weekend

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Anonymous #7 2w

i know so many better singers just within my BFA program than Adele. She's not immune to criticism. No one is. Also using a microphone in a play or musical is not the same as using AI. It's clear you have never been in a theatrical space so even if i explain how sound design works it would go over your head. I suggest looking into it if you are curious

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