It’s a bit like asking if women know that going to the bathroom is unattractive or just dont care. Like, sure, you could do guys the courtesy of lying about it & let em unironically believe girls dont poop. It wouldn’t even be hard bc it doesn’t come up in conversation often. But do you really want to date a guy who’s that dumb? That naive? Hey, maybe you do. Personal taste. I do see the appeal But guys are in the same position. Some want a woman they know they can be at least a little honest
I also don’t advocate for people seeking out prostitutes, but porn isn’t the only answer. I do think people need to explore other options sexually before porn is their only form of some release. I’ve seen it happen in my personal life and I just haven’t stood up for porn use since. It’s very damaging to the user and everyone involved.
I am aware (I already mentioned toys, smut, and imagination while masturbating), I am just stating why guys us it. Though with women and algorithms pushing OF or other porn like stuff around, many guys do get exposed to that kind of stuff at young ages without even trying to look for them on purpose, and get hooked then and there.
with. Not because talking specifically about that stuff is actually important. But having an… uh, unrealistic outlook on stuff like that suggests a maturity level that could make it harder to have realistic and honest conversations about other, far more important things Plus, like others said. They’re probably not saying it to impress you. Lying and is just a chore and reinforces harmful ideas about it. Being honest when you can feels a lot more liberating and comfortable
.. . How is using toys and your own brain the same thing as porn. And smut (not porno mags) basically just guides your imagination for you to masturbate to, no potential trafficking or anything like that for just words, and no actual kids and or animals are harmed from smut, but obviously the author should get reported and arrested, and that smut be forever taken down for practically promoting that god awful shit.
that is still way too much lmao. sure some women will tolerate it (most are pick me girls anyway) but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t lead to relationship issues. it also indirectly lower testosterone. it increases anxiety and depression and fucks up your prefrontal cortex and brain in general. it’s a supernormal stimulus
No, not that it’s equal. Those are two different activities and I felt that was obvious and went without saying. But they have (only) the relevant things in common which is why the example works. Expecting men to lie to you so you can defamiliarize something that is, in fact, pretty much universal is not a lot to ask. But at the same time, its not totally reasonable either & you shouldn’t act shocked at the fact that other men deny you that and choose to discuss this stuff honestly (when at all)
Also; the fact that both your expectation a guy to lie about something like that and your apparent willingness to believe it, DO tell him important information about you. Men dont think watching porn is attractive. But I think we do sometimes worry that lying about it could be far more unattractive if the woman in question isnt that gullible. Arguably it warrants trying to gauge that, but that’s an inexact science. And its arguably not worth lying about depending on what you value in a partner
But every man HAS. And will again. Maybe not all the time. Plenty of good reasons he may go for awhile without. A guy may be on a detox so long that even he thinks it’s permanent. But it’s not, and that distinction isn’t really significant. Not partaking when you don’t feel like it or while you’re getting enough or while you’re on certain meds or whatever doesnt make a guy different; that’s normal. He’ll still do it again as soon as he does feel like it or need postnut clarity or whatever.
Abstinence is circumstantial. But the need to control your self-regulate your horniness is universal for a guy to be a responsible member of society. Porn has risks to manage, of course. but is (so far) the least damaging method we’ve historically come up with so its ubiquity shouldn’t shock us
The fact you are normalizing addiction so much that you think every man who has quit porn to better himself will ultimately fall back into the same pattern is crazy. I mean this sincerely, I would say all of that to a therapist. I really can’t help someone THAT deluded. If you want to speak without these crazy absolutes then fine.
I would prefer sending pictures to her and vise versa. Although that's something she's not entirely comfortable doing, she believes that past relationships have used her for her body and her taking pictures of herself makes her feel like she's being used again. But she has come around recently