Anonymous orange_joyful_cat44 14w

There are definitely different experiences between genders and social norms and treatments, but it is a separate issue to the loneliness epidemic. Not that they don’t necessarily intermingle or exist at the same time, but that this issue is consistent between genders regardless of sexist treatment or not.

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Anonymous mother_russia 14w

• lack of community. People don’t have families or at least not as large are humans are used to, villages or smaller groups of people they regularly interact with, people commonly go days without any social or human interaction and it’s a major factor

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Anonymous mother_russia 14w

Just because women and guys get to point D at the same rate, doesn't mean their experiences through points a-c were in any way similar

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Anonymous mother_russia 14w

• lack of nature and animal interactions and spaces. Existing in nature (not heavily controlled and sculpted golf fields or indoor wall garden type things) and being able to interact with animals and plants has been shown to dramatically help reduce and prevent loneliness and isolation.

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Anonymous orange_joyful_cat44 14w

Sure. Experiences don’t have to be the same for the solutions and the issue to be resolved. Problem is universal loneliness, so what has changed now that didn’t exist before that affects everyone? What groups are less likely to experience it? When did this start and how quickly did it spread? Was the growth linear? Etc. are all relevant questions that have shown very positive correlation between loneliness with everyone and what I’m listing.

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Anonymous orange_joyful_cat44 14w

I’m not saying this as a theory or to brush off any negative experience or stereotypes people have had happen. This is a proven fact about loneliness and it’s helpful to reorient from sexism or gender wars (which is more likely to cause larger divides and discord) to a universal struggle and understanding that we can all work to improve together and individually.

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Anonymous mother_russia 14w

It's a only a gender war cuz people r weird, we don't gotta twist this to appease them

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Anonymous mother_russia 14w

• consistent interaction on social media. While phones and social platforms are great and extremely important, they also contribute to many mental health issues and can just as easily hurt you. So much media is based solely on rage, sadness, fear, etc. and has been increasing turmoil between groups, making further wedges between communities.

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Anonymous mother_russia 14w

• also a huge reminder about this one that seems so unrelated: a large majority of the USA population has dietary deficiencies which impacts your brains ability to function and your mental health greatly. Especially with things like vitamin D, magnesium, calcium, etc. as they directly correlate to your brain’s ability to function and feel joy and motivation.

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Anonymous mother_russia 14w

So over all, if you are struggling a lot with loneliness, try working at a farm or moving to a smaller town/community, join volunteer groups and teams or clubs that regularly meet up, join a support group, try to keep interactions with people positive as much as it relies on you, maybe get a pet or go visit with an animal shelter or something, try growing something yourself outside, and make sure you are eating enough good food for your body

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Anonymous #2 14w

You go to a post making conversation about how it’s not just the male loneliness epidemic and decide to compare which is literally what we are against.

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Anonymous #2 14w

Ah this is where a lot of people don’t have the full picture. The full stat for suicides by gender is actually that men COMPLETE suicide more often because they tend to use more lethal methods like guns where as women ATTEMPT suicide more often and fail because the methods women are more likely to choose is overdoses

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Anonymous #2 14w

But ultimately the range of suicides being attempted at higher rates in women (to specify, this isn’t counting repeat attempts by the same woman) and mental illnesses like anxiety and depression being higher in women or women being twice as likely to have ptsd than men, etc.

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Anonymous #2 14w

But please, keep trying to tally up who is just slightly more effected by this epidemic men or women. Because my point is that the problem is about how our culture is set up to divide and detach each individual from the world and the people around us and the way to combat it is together rather than gender wars or trying to say one group has it worse than the other or point blame at one group over another.

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Anonymous mother_russia 14w

just looked and the only statistics was for girls 9-12 being higher in attempts, through AI, and when looking at those sources, it didn’t back that info up. every other source say men r more likely to be a victim of it in any aspect of suicide, including attempts. how about we focus on men, during men’s mental health, as it doesn’t get talked about tab

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Anonymous #2 14w

ya?*

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Anonymous mother_russia 14w

we do it with race, y not with gender. fight for the under represented. period.

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Anonymous #2 14w

oh, cuz it’s men, that’s y!

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Anonymous #2 14w

Dude the AI overview? This is literally the first thing that came up when I looked it up

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Anonymous #2 14w

What is your AI overview telling you

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Anonymous mother_russia 14w

ah yes, AI overview which has been proven to be accurate!! u clearly didn’t read what i said babe

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Anonymous mother_russia 14w

i legit alrdy told u. how about u read next time

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Anonymous #2 14w

What Russia is saying is correct though and I will absolutely grab the stats for it. Literally learned about it in school but yeah pretend you’re correct.

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Anonymous #2 14w

https://cams-care.com/resources/educational-content/the-gender-paradox-of-suicide/

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 14w

cute to think imma open a link from someone on yy😭😭

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Anonymous #2 14w

…. You can see it’s clearly a .org. If you don’t want to open a link that’s fine, but that’s a showing of your willful ignorance.

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 14w

.org doesn’t mean it’s safe but okay!!

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Anonymous #2 14w

No dude there are so many stats that come up when you click on the link 💀 like seriously. Also the girls “9-12” is their grade. So the school student reporting for being suicidal and attempting suicide was 13% in girls and 9% in boys, which is actively saying girls attempted more.

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Anonymous #2 14w

Dude if you don’t want links to articles that you can read about information and studies, why are you even arguing about this

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Anonymous #2 14w

Ah yes claiming women attempt suicide as a way to get help is just so fucking wrong on so many levels. As someone who has attempted before you are the kind of person who makes light of it. And using AI after you dismissed it? Seems like you are trying to backtrack.

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 14w

it’s called giving the same energy babez. j admit u can accept reality

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Anonymous #2 14w

I didn’t give any AI information. You are just ignoring the evidence I’m giving you. If you don’t want to learn or have a productive conversation why are you even here?

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 14w

Shit makes 0 sense so women try to kill themselves 3 times as much as guys but guys kill themselves 4 times as much. Which means a dude is 12 times more likely to succeed like how is that possible.

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Anonymous orange_joyful_cat44 14w

Because men choose more violent methods than women do. Ingesting pills for example has a higher chance of living than shooting yourself in the head.

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Anonymous orange_joyful_cat44 14w

I'd guess guys just grab a gun and women do some poisoning shit that doesn't work

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 14w

and there was a reason behind those attempts. and what does it classify as an attempt, considering rates r different in each source, it contributes different things. ur the kinda person to go “all lives matter” huh

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Anonymous #2 14w

Dude the statement about maybe women are just doing it for help is crazy. Women are less likely to use a gun and less likely to own a gun and guns are the most effective way to kill yourself, as well as the theory that women continuously specifically to choose the least traumatizing method of killing themseleves for the people that find them (less blood, less violence, less disfiguration, etc. type things)

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Anonymous mother_russia 14w

men do it for a sign for help sometimes too, so no, it isn’t crazy, it’s called ✨reality✨

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Anonymous orange_joyful_cat44 14w

Yep that’s more of it! Men are more likely to do more violent attempts and that’s what causes the disparity in stats.

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Anonymous orange_joyful_cat44 14w

Yes men are much more likely to use a gun or hang themselves where as women are much more likely to try to overdose or poison themselves

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Anonymous #2 14w

Now you are just arguing for sake to argue without making any points. I gave you the link, I showed you the image. You can go do a modicum of effort yourself. Because every single source agrees that women attempt more. This is not a comparison this is cold hard facts. Man complete suicide more and women attempt more. You quite literally said women attempt for attention.

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Anonymous orange_joyful_cat44 14w

Poison and overdosing is a very unreliable method of suicide and much easier to recover from like pumping their stomach or antidotes, whereas there is no cure for a headshot and hanging only gives a minute to be found and saved.

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Anonymous orange_joyful_cat44 14w

So yes, men are much more likely to succeed. It’s is a large difference between the men that succeed and the women that do specifically due to methods.

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Anonymous mother_russia 14w

Idk if that can make up for the 12 times difference though

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 14w

i actually didn’t, AI did, i ALSO said men do too. forget that part? and using it as a sign for help ≠ seeking attention, but thanks for showing ur true intents of trying to dismiss men

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Anonymous orange_joyful_cat44 14w

You can look at that stats yourself then and see why the contrast is so large. I’m not going to try and force you to believe the numbers and reasonings for things. This isn’t new information so there has been plenty of studies and articles talking about and examining data.

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Anonymous orange_joyful_cat44 14w

There are multiple factors with why some methods are more preferred by some people and why they are less effective like recovery time, likelihood that they mentioned the attempt to someone, access to methods, mental state, etc. and so the gap makes sense why women fail suicide attempts so often

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Anonymous mother_russia 14w

just looked into what classifies as attempted suicide. a lot of it doesn’t even require action, so those rates r reality. even if those numbers were somewhat accurate, we need to attack the bigger issue, men with results. obvi all suicide is bad, no one is saying that. but that’s like saying all lives matter vs black lives matter. we need to fight the bigger fire

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Anonymous #2 14w

In reference to your comment about men’s mental health awareness month, I’ve actively discussed the issue and what has proven to be effective to help and how we as individuals and a community can improve this. I’m not denying men’s struggle with loneliness, just that this is an all around epidemic that is effecting everyone and the solution involves everyone.

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Anonymous #2 14w

That would make sense but the 2nd half of this is wild

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Anonymous orange_joyful_cat44 14w

how? it’s the same exact thing

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Anonymous mother_russia 14w

it lumps it all into one, y can’t we do it race, but we can with gender? hypocrisy and sexism

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Anonymous #2 14w

Oh wow. I truly don’t even know where to begin on deconstructing what you just said. First, what do you think is classified as an attempted suicide? Because the medical definition in the USA is “suicide is caused by self-harming behavior with an intent to die. Attempted suicide is a self-directed, intentional behavior with an attempt to die that does not result in death”

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Anonymous mother_russia 14w

that includes stuff that doesn’t require action

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Anonymous #2 14w

behavior≠action

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Anonymous #2 14w

You see with the Black Lives Matter movement, it was because black lives were the ones being consistently abused and hurt directly because they were black. In this case, the only reason men are committing suicide more is because they are more likely to have access to a gun and choose violence methods themselves. It’s not being done to them or forced upon them at higher rates or being targeted because of their gender, and the studies seem to imply the opposite of that is true.

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Anonymous #2 14w

Men aren’t being targeted to make them suicidal or choose more violent and effective methods. The studies seem to imply if there was someone being targeted for their gender that was making them suicidal and mentally ill, it would be women. But even then all im saying is that the loneliness epidemic is effecting all of us, not trying to say we have to only focus our efforts on helping women.

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Anonymous mother_russia 14w

to say men aren’t targeted is the most ignorant statement i’ve heard. u clearly have no idea of reality. the societal pressures, the stigmas, the “man up” the lack of help there ALRDY IS FOR EVERYONE, 100% targets men. but okay. ignore that

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Anonymous #2 14w

So you are saying suicidal ideation shouldn’t be included in any stats about suicidal attempts. Well good news! It’s not. The only time discussing suicide is considered an attempt is when there is a clear plan for how someone would attempt suicide and that it’s a credible threat. Which yes, having a full plan of how to kill yourself should be actively included in attempted suicide stats in the same way any other credible threats of bodily harm to someone else would be taken as attempted assault

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Anonymous #2 14w

Yes there are societal pressures, active intent however is not to cause them to commit suicide. It’s not the goal of those pressures and it is not the cause of the increase of the loneliness epidemic as sexist gender roles have existed long before this was a specific issue.

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Anonymous #2 14w

I’m saying they aren’t targeted more than women and it’s not its own larger issue compared to the same issues in women. That the issue is shared between genders and shouldn’t be treated like one group’s loneliness of similar levels shouldn’t be treated as more important than another.

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Anonymous #2 14w

Everyone has unique experiences and struggles but the general consensus and issue and suffering lies with all of us. It’s like saying “North America is warming up!” And getting upset when someone says “The whole world is warming up” because one selective portion of one statistic shows that North America is having more wildfires than other areas even though wild fires aren’t the only sign or side effect of global warming.

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Anonymous mother_russia 14w

doesn’t matter what the intent is. what does is the result. ur showing ur hypocrisy between race and gender and ur VERY CLEAR sexism towards men. white ppl share racism, what’s the difference? oh ya, the rates at which they happen. and ur back tracking on suicidal ideation. u have a clear example of suicide ideation. attempts require action. y do u think attempted murder requires action, and not just thoughts and words

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Anonymous mother_russia 14w

so, by that same exact logic, you’d support ALM and not BLM

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Anonymous #2 14w

Attempted murder requires planning and premeditation, having said you want to murder someone and being found with the tools to murder someone makes it attempted murder, literally the exact same as suicide attempts.

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Anonymous #2 14w

I feel like you really don’t understand how these things work and what they mean. Not favoring men in an issue that affects both men and women at similar rates, even when they present differently, is not being sexist.

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Anonymous mother_russia 14w

no, u j can’t see ur hypocrisy and clear sexism here

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Anonymous mother_russia 14w

i’ve argued with u before and u act so smart but 9/10 get proven wrong and u act like u haven’t

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Anonymous #2 14w

Intent is absolutely matters. If I accidentally poison myself, that doesn’t go down as an attempted suicide, that goes down as an accidental poisoning. Intent is like the most important part

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Anonymous mother_russia 14w

ur deflecting into a different part of this topic. i’m talking by those outside forces. oh my gosh ur dumb. i legit can’t stand u nor how u think ur smart

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Anonymous #4 14w

Hard agree unfortunately

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Anonymous orange_joyful_cat44 14w

Because guys are more likely to use more violent methods with higher chance of death like a gun, where women are more likely to try things like overdose which have a higher chance of not actually killing them (and idk if this affects the data, but women are also more likely to talk about feeling that way which makes them more likely to have people in their lives who might be able to stop the attempt in the moment)

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Anonymous #4 14w

Unfortunately that is a problem that is nothing new

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Anonymous #6 14w

Oh absolutely! Covid made it so much worse

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Anonymous #2 14w

men aren't under represented first of all like u said its men's mental health month, second of comparing the two genders does nothing but divide each other

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Anonymous #7 14w

So why do you say that it’s effecting men much more when the studies about loneliness are typically equal and some show women are more lonely? And when mental illnesses like depression, anxiety, ptsd, and just mental health issues in general? How is any of that saying the loneliness epidemic is effecting men more? And also why would it matter if one group is slightly more affected when both are suffering greatly?

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Anonymous #7 14w

I didn’t type that middle sentence correctly, I meant to say all of those mental health issues are more common to women specifically

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Anonymous #9 14w

Believe me when I say that there are more lonely women out there than you can possibly imagine. Whatever ideas are sold to you about us having it easy in dating and friendships, are a lie. Life is fucking hard. But we’re all in it together. 💜

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Anonymous #9 14w

This is exactly it. There’s so many more lonely people out there than anyone could’ve ever imagined. We are told lies about each others sense of community in order to keep us jealous of the other.

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 14w

The grass is always greener type deal when we are all in the drought

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