A lot of men don’t see women as people. They see us as a prize to be won. What you see as “living for women” is just social expectations. Plenty of men who act like that truly hate women. They harass us, they talk down to us etc. If men truly did live for women, we wouldn’t have these systemic problems.
Most men live for women because they’re made to believe that their life can only be complete if they’re in a relationship, it doesn’t feel good to only be an enjoyable person if you’re returning romantic interest in someone, men don’t typically entertain the idea of having women as friends like they’re equals to men
It’s interesting… I think there’s a distinction between men seeing women as normal, interesting people to be around (while possibly appreciating their beauty as well) vs. wanting to be around women because that’s the next best thing to having sex or being in a relationship with one. Both of those mindsets are out there.
And while the following may not apply to you at all, some men enjoy spending time with women in a way that feels creepy to women. I’ve experienced it myself - where a man isn’t doing anything inherently wrong, but I can’t shake the sense that he’s expecting me to provide entertainment or validation to him by conversing. This isn’t all the time, but happens enough that women make sure not to look too open to conversation in settings where they don’t want that to happen.
While some women are materialistic or make it too much of a game/hassle, I think some of that is a (not super mature) attempt to filter out men who want sex easily, cheaply, and immediately - when the woman herself may want an actual relationship. I don’t wish to play games, but I hope that gives some insight into why some women do.
You are justifying men’s poor behavior with the idea that women do something to deserve it. You do realize women can be sexual beings but they are still people right? I’ve been lovebombed and I don’t do sex without a relationship and I make it explicitly clear I only want a serious relationship.
and not once did i say women do anything to deserve that. i said when women make it a chase, men treat it as a game/challenge. pls dont put words in my mouth. im saying men do these things to manipulate women or to play the game, NOT that women r deserving of it or ask for it
Oftentimes what men think is a game is more of women not wanting to be approached in that way, like the concept of “playing hard to get” comes from men who aren’t secure enough to take no for an answer and justify their more aggressive attempts at getting them with the “game”. The days of grandpa showing up to grandma’s work everyday and them being married for 60 years is over, because now we call that stalking