Anonymous #1 7w

i just think that you can’t fully say you believe in science if you believe in miracles/ fantastical events and other things in the bible. i get what you're saying about miracles, by definition, they're supposed to be supernatural. but that's exactly where the contradiction with science comes in. science is based on observable, testable, repeatable evidence. shit like a talking snake, a woman made from a rib, or someone walking on water directly violate the known laws of biology and physics.

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Anonymous #1 7w

so if someone believes those stories happened literally, then they’re choosing to accept things that are fundamentally unscientific. that’s not necessarily wrong from a faith standpoint, but it does mean science and that kind of belief system are operating by different rules. u can believe in both faith and science in some ways, but not without acknowledging that they sometimes contradict each other, especially when it comes to literal interpretations of religious texts

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but if they’re violating the laws of nature that means it’s not scientific and it’s not possible. to believe that there can be violations is to deny science. because the point of scientific laws is that it’s law, there are no exceptions.

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don’t patronize me. its not possible unless there’s a god that made it so. and i believe there is no such god, and therefore none of that actually happened. you are free and welcome to have your own beliefs, but i am on the side of scientific evidence

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Anonymous #3 7w

a talking snake isn’t scientifically impossible ??😭

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Anonymous #3 7w

all of these events are impossible by laws of nature and science. they are stories.

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Anonymous hellraiser 7w

More believable than black holes and the Big Bang

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Anonymous hellraiser 7w

Virgin can get pregnant from IVF Water can be converted into wine; how do you think winemaking works!? Even without grapes it can be chemically converted into alcohol. Walking on water is possible by having a shallow floatation device or very shallow water or desert mirage hallucinations. Being resurrected is possible it’s called Lazarus syndrome or a defibrillator. The talking snake is hard to believe but still makes more sense than “big bang 14 billion years ago”

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Anonymous #3 7w

this is not a strong argument at all. mary did not get ivf. jesus did not use any winemaking methods to turn the water into wine, he didn’t have any flotation devices, he didn’t have lazarus syndrome and wasn’t resurrected with a defibrillator. if you genuinely believe that a talking snake is more believable than the big bang which is believed by the majority of scientists then that’s on you ig and we have very different understandings of science.

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most notable modern scientists, esp in fields like physics, biology, and cosmology, are nonreligious, agnostic or atheist.

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a lot of early scientists were religious because religion was nearly universal in the Western world. and einstein was not traditionally religious

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einstein was ethically and culturally jewish but he did not believe in a god

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Anonymous hellraiser 7w

Darwin known to be a Christian

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Anonymous #3 7w

yall im not saying that there are no religious scientists. just that there are parts of religion that directly contradict what we know to be true because of science

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yeah i think he was more spiritual than traditionally religious. he was critical of a lot of aspects of religion and said that a lot of religious beliefs were naive. he even describes himself as agnostic.his rejection of traditional religious dogma was deeply rooted in his scientific worldview and his experiences with science

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he didn’t believe that any of those fantastical things happened in the bible

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Anonymous #3 7w

darwin started out christian but he later said he viewed religion as a tribal survival strategy and moral framework stemming from human fears, not divine truths. he came to reject literal belief in the creation account (Genesis), miracles, and supernatural/ fantastical aspects of the Bible

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Anonymous #3 7w

he explicitly said he did not believe in revelation, and that the bible’s supernatural stories were “untenable as literal history”

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Cool, doesn’t mean religion is any more real.

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Anonymous cucumber_dude 7w

YikYak doesn’t like even the slightest bit of criticism against organised cults.

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that doesn’t really answer my question. i’m not religious, but my mom for example does not believe the bible is meant to be taken literally. instead she believes a majority of the stories are metaphors for people to interpret in order to be closer to god. i’m asking how hellraiser believes that pairs with science!

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i believe you’re more so talking about the parts of the bible that are literal events, such as people were stoned in jesus’ time. that’s not what i’m trying to discuss here. sorry if i’m reading what you’re saying wrong :)

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Anonymous #7 7w

i think that definitely is more accurate.

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Anonymous hellraiser 7w

We rely on observation to define the rules and limitations of reality, we assume that everything we observe is real and that which cannot be observed is most likely not real. Still, we’d be fools to completely disregard the possibility that there are forces behind what our senses can perceive, or our machines can detect. If such things exist, there could be others that we simply can’t measure yet. What if other such real-yet-invisible forces are the basis behind miracles?

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Anonymous #8 7w

Quantum physics moment

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Anonymous hellraiser 7w

IVF is a complicated procedure for the time period, but if you’re looking for a scientific explanation for virgin birth, there is a very real thing called “parthenogenesis”. It’s rare overall, and mainly occurs with insects or plants, but it does happen across many species

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Anonymous cucumber_dude 7w

it got restored somehow but idkk

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Anonymous #7 7w

i def believe the bible demonstrates the morals we should be going off of and there are lots we should not take literally. the bible says to stone your child if they’re disrespectful and to gouge out your eye if it causes you to sin and i’m not seeing any of that (thankfully). why cherry pick these rules yk

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Anonymous #8 7w

Parthenogenesis doesn’t happen in humans. That would result in tumours.

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Anonymous hellraiser 7w

Why did Anton Lavey, the founder of the satanic church, cry out for God on his death bed? He was so sure of himself like you his whole life, good luck

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Anonymous #1 7w

“Science deals with the natural world”

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Anonymous orange_joyful_cat44 7w

Dang

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Anonymous orange_joyful_cat44 7w

Amazing how your god would focus on a YikYak post but not on the numerous genocides happening around the world. Priorities, I guess.

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Anonymous #5 7w

5 ur just talking out of ur ass and no don’t say this and that is happening maybe god did just save a few people just now just like how he took care of something small just now 🙂

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Anonymous #5 7w

Are we serious? Also this like canonically happens cuz god promised not to like nuke humanity again but really

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Anonymous orange_joyful_cat44 7w

Cool, I wasn’t referencing just Palestine. The Uyghur are suffering, the Congolese are suffering, the Amharas, the list goes on. But sure, your “all-loving” god sure is happy to let it all happen.

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Anonymous #13 7w

Still waiting for any evidence of your little sky daddy. Still haven’t seen any reason to even want to worship it. 🥱

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Anonymous #5 7w

True if god was real he probably would of saved me from your insufferable ass

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Anonymous orange_joyful_cat44 7w

Remember, this is “all a test of your willingness to be an eternal slave or suffer for eternity! Because you’re loved so much!” 🙄 Imagine being a dumbass who thinks that there’s a god.

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Anonymous #15 7w

There isn’t “both sides” to it, though. We have evidence for and have observed evolution time and time again. We see it actively happening every day.

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Anonymous #16 7w

for example, i think scientific theories such as evolution are entirely possible and even likely. i doubt the creation story told in the bible is a literal seven days. however, i also think that god’s hand guided evolution

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Anonymous #5 7w

yes but there’s also evidence of biblical events so people have the right to choose what they believe. there’s no right or wrong, it’s just simply what you prefer to believe is correct

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Anonymous #5 7w

I mean, when it’s shoved down your throat from birth, it can be difficult to come to that revelation that early in someone’s life

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Anonymous #15 7w

You mean a flood? Like I don’t know, the ice age melting?

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Anonymous #11 7w

2 different things lol

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Anonymous #15 7w

damn yall hating for WHAT. just let people believe what they want to believe, my goodness

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Ok let me raise you this. If we do, in fact, have an all powerful being who rules over everything, why are disasters a thing? Why would a child go homeless? Why would genocides, wars, famine, etc all happen?

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Anonymous #20 7w

«Insert dumbass excuse about “free will” or some “divine plan” or scapegoat in the form of some imaginary evil»

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Anonymous #3 7w

Yet we have observed black holes and evidence of the Big Bang…..

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Ok so, why do we have natural disasters if this god is all loving like yall say he is?

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Anonymous #15 7w

Nah not when their beliefs reject scientific constructs that help the world and hinder us from helping people, IE fighting against the truth that climate change is real

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Anonymous #20 7w

You’ve never observed a black hole. You don’t have evidence of the Big Bang. Other people told you this. These are blind faith items.

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Anonymous #3 7w

Just as you have never observed a person walking on water or a person being magically revived after spending 3 days in a cave or a talking snake.

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Anonymous #20 7w

And yet, we have truly observed what we can see of a black hole. Multiple photos have been released of a black hole….

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Anonymous #3 7w

Yes the fuck we have 🤣 We also can observe the cosmic microwave background radiation, we know the universe is constantly expanding, we can tell which galaxies are moving closer or farther, the list goes on. Yet not a single person has ever walked on water, there was no global flood (the incest and lack of animal diversity would be a death sentence anyway 😂). Like, grow up.

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Anonymous #20 7w

well i believe climate change is real so what do you have to say about that? i’m christian and a firm believer that climate change is real and global warming is real and am an advocate for sustainability (mind you that’s literally my minor for college).

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we’re more advanced now, yes, but that doesn’t mean we know everything about what there is to know about climate change and global warming

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Anonymous #15 7w

There is a right and wrong because you’re dealing with fiction vs reality. Your bible really doesn’t have the evidence y’all like to pretend it does.

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Anonymous #5 7w

okay bud. you believe what you want to believe, and i’ll believe what i want to believe. mkay?

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i literally never said people who believe in science are mentally ill?????? when did i say that?????? obviously science has been wrong, you literally have to be wrong to find out what’s right???? like????? who the hell am i terrorizing???? i’m literally just saying i believe in both God and science, and not pushing my beliefs on anyone??? i’m not saying “YOU’RE WRONG! ONLY THIS WAY IS RIGHT!” like come on.

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Anonymous #15 7w

So, you’re actively choosing fairytales and make-believe over reality. Got it. You’re welcome to do that, just keep it out of our bodies, schools, governments, and daily life. 👌

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Anonymous #20 7w

because it’s His will be done. there’s a reason for everything He does. John 13:7 “you do not realize now what i am doin, but later you will understand.” and sinnature causes people to be evil. there’s evil all over the earth. as for science, global warming, politics, etc etc. there’s a reason on both sides, and you have the freedom to chose which one you believe, which is amazing!

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Anonymous #15 7w

Right! Fairytales and lies, or reality and evidence. I’ll stick to reality while you enjoy your fairytales.

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Anonymous #13 7w

literally 😭😭😭😭

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Anonymous #12 7w

He didn’t “cry out for “god””and y’all need to quit pushing that narrative 🤣

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no, they oBvIoUsLy weren’t. you responded to my comment.

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Anonymous #16 7w

So you think fairytales are real? You still cling to Santa?

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exactly.

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yes. just make sure your comments are going to who you mean to direct them toward, please.

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Anonymous #5 7w

i personally believe that it’s not fairytales and make-believe. i’m not forcing anyone to believe anything, like i stated previously. so defensive for what.

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Like cancer?

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Anonymous #20 7w

“Because of sin and free will 🤡”

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Which answered nothing and still don’t have any convincing stance of why your little sky daddy would even deserve to be worshipped. 🥱

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“But lean on the manipulation of those who wrote this bullshit to control you and satisfy their personal gains!” And if the bible were so perfect, so divinely inspired, so clear… y’all wouldn’t have tens of thousands of offshoots.

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Bro’s responding to his own comment

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Anonymous #20 7w

Well the difference is I don’t believe in the Christian fables. You seem to believe in some random scientist or a third party relaying what a scientist (who you’ve never met) apparently believes about the universe

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Anonymous #5 7w

You’re literally reposting a picture without any deeper understanding of theoretical physics or universe. You just believe what you’ve been told. And it’s no different than believing stories from the Bible. I’m not saying black holes aren’t real. I just have no evidence to believe that they are real.

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Anonymous #3 7w

We have this lovely thing called “evidence” that doesn’t care if you choose to ignore reality ❤️

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Anonymous #3 7w

You do, you just choose to be an idiot. 😂

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Anonymous #5 7w

so where did i say anything remotely like that? i explained how my christian viewpoint affirms and works with science

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Anonymous #5 7w

you can believe what you want, im not trying to change anyone’s mind. i was trying to participate in what i thought was an open discussion. i suggest you try to have the same respect for others

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