As a Christin who believes all those things while also going into neuroscience and the medical field, I believe those things happened because he was Jesus. He is the epitome of âmiraclesâ or âdefying scienceâ I mean fuck, heâs JESUS! Like ofc heâd do thing science canât explain. I also am open to the possibility that those things didnât happen but the only person who could prove it didnât happen would be god or the universe. I believe all science tho. Because Science trumps religion.
not sure if someone has said this already bc theres a lot of comments but heres my view on it. i am a christian and believe that most things in the bible happened in the literal sense. however, i also believe science and all its intricacies were created by god. sometimes he uses science for his will (shoutout modern medicine). other times, he uses his supernatural power to display his glory
i just think that you canât fully say you believe in science if you believe in miracles/ fantastical events and other things in the bible. i get what you're saying about miracles, by definition, they're supposed to be supernatural. but that's exactly where the contradiction with science comes in. science is based on observable, testable, repeatable evidence. shit like a talking snake, a woman made from a rib, or someone walking on water directly violate the known laws of biology and physics.
so if someone believes those stories happened literally, then theyâre choosing to accept things that are fundamentally unscientific. thatâs not necessarily wrong from a faith standpoint, but it does mean science and that kind of belief system are operating by different rules. u can believe in both faith and science in some ways, but not without acknowledging that they sometimes contradict each other, especially when it comes to literal interpretations of religious texts
Virgin can get pregnant from IVF Water can be converted into wine; how do you think winemaking works!? Even without grapes it can be chemically converted into alcohol. Walking on water is possible by having a shallow floatation device or very shallow water or desert mirage hallucinations. Being resurrected is possible itâs called Lazarus syndrome or a defibrillator. The talking snake is hard to believe but still makes more sense than âbig bang 14 billion years agoâ
this is not a strong argument at all. mary did not get ivf. jesus did not use any winemaking methods to turn the water into wine, he didnât have any flotation devices, he didnât have lazarus syndrome and wasnât resurrected with a defibrillator. if you genuinely believe that a talking snake is more believable than the big bang which is believed by the majority of scientists then thatâs on you ig and we have very different understandings of science.
yeah i think he was more spiritual than traditionally religious. he was critical of a lot of aspects of religion and said that a lot of religious beliefs were naive. he even describes himself as agnostic.his rejection of traditional religious dogma was deeply rooted in his scientific worldview and his experiences with science
darwin started out christian but he later said he viewed religion as a tribal survival strategy and moral framework stemming from human fears, not divine truths. he came to reject literal belief in the creation account (Genesis), miracles, and supernatural/ fantastical aspects of the Bible
that doesnât really answer my question. iâm not religious, but my mom for example does not believe the bible is meant to be taken literally. instead she believes a majority of the stories are metaphors for people to interpret in order to be closer to god. iâm asking how hellraiser believes that pairs with science!
We rely on observation to define the rules and limitations of reality, we assume that everything we observe is real and that which cannot be observed is most likely not real. Still, weâd be fools to completely disregard the possibility that there are forces behind what our senses can perceive, or our machines can detect. If such things exist, there could be others that we simply canât measure yet. What if other such real-yet-invisible forces are the basis behind miracles?
IVF is a complicated procedure for the time period, but if youâre looking for a scientific explanation for virgin birth, there is a very real thing called âparthenogenesisâ. Itâs rare overall, and mainly occurs with insects or plants, but it does happen across many species
i def believe the bible demonstrates the morals we should be going off of and there are lots we should not take literally. the bible says to stone your child if theyâre disrespectful and to gouge out your eye if it causes you to sin and iâm not seeing any of that (thankfully). why cherry pick these rules yk
Yes the fuck we have 𤣠We also can observe the cosmic microwave background radiation, we know the universe is constantly expanding, we can tell which galaxies are moving closer or farther, the list goes on. Yet not a single person has ever walked on water, there was no global flood (the incest and lack of animal diversity would be a death sentence anyway đ). Like, grow up.
i literally never said people who believe in science are mentally ill?????? when did i say that?????? obviously science has been wrong, you literally have to be wrong to find out whatâs right???? like????? who the hell am i terrorizing???? iâm literally just saying i believe in both God and science, and not pushing my beliefs on anyone??? iâm not saying âYOUâRE WRONG! ONLY THIS WAY IS RIGHT!â like come on.
because itâs His will be done. thereâs a reason for everything He does. John 13:7 âyou do not realize now what i am doin, but later you will understand.â and sinnature causes people to be evil. thereâs evil all over the earth. as for science, global warming, politics, etc etc. thereâs a reason on both sides, and you have the freedom to chose which one you believe, which is amazing!
I dont have a fairytale. I have love and grace. As a reminder, I donât owe you a response just bc your personal ego wants me to respond. Especially if youâre being rude. But if you would ever like to have a respectful conversation, you will be met with one I hope you have a good night my friend.
When I say âreligion hit or missâ I mean the concept of what some call âorganized religionâ And by âhit or missâ I mean following some organized path. Life isnât organized. God knows that. Thatâs part of why he gives us grace. He loves us. He wants to make life easier. What humans do in his name is not necessarily what he wanted. People using the Bible to justify slavery was complete BS and they had to know that if they actually read in context. But alas, people are lazy and want to satisfy
Themselves. I said I donât have the knowledge on the topic you asked, just in case you feel like throwing out âI thought you said you donât know the Bibleâ I know some. Cause I have been in my loving and healing young adult church group. The first truly loving group of Christians I have been active in. My youth one was filled with bullying and a pastor that instilled fear instead of love. Heâs been fired now. Thank God, God placed me in this group a year ago and I have grown so much.
As he called people dogs, killed off trees for simply existing as they do, calls people hypocrites and then says that if you do that youâll go to hell, encouraged disease spreading by not washing hands, told his followers to steal a donkey just because, got pissed at a leper for wanting to be healed, intentionally spoke in parables to cause confusion, told someone to ignore his fatherâs burial to follow him- some stranger, lied about the efficacy of prayer⌠oh! And how he normalised slavery!
I would answer but you wonât hear it. You have chosen to be deaf to the truth and mock it. Short answer: âin contextâ means in the historical, socioeconomic settings, the theological studies, the deep dives. The words alone can be cherry-picked, but Gods word is the truth. It is understood in whole, not by cherry-picking.
Ableism? Itâs figure of speech. đ. I have ADHD and partial deafness lol. âAbleismâ đ God doesnât justify slavery. Talk to a pastor about genocide cause my best answer is elementary level about that is the Old Testament. I donât have the historical knowledge. I promise we donât just cherry pick. self-proclaimed Christianâs do. But God calls us out of that.
Cool, itâs still ableist. Hi, Iâm actually Deaf. And yeah, your âgodâ did so in your own fairytale. So did your (non-existent, by the way) Jesus. Parables werenât about servantsâ the Greek âduolosâ refers to enslavement. Not ONE passage in your fairytale speaks against genocide or slavery.
Exod21:2-11, Lev25:44-46, and then since yâall like to pretend the OT is just âmetaphorâ and only the NT applies⌠Eph6:5-9, Col3:22-4:1, 1Tim6:1-2, Tit2:9-10, 1Pet2:18-20. Owning slaves was a âblessingâ- Gen12:16/24:35, Isa14:1-2⌠Exod21:21 âthe slave is the ownerâs propertyâ. They could be beaten: (see Exod21:20-21,1Pet2:18-20), forced to be concubines (raped): Gen16:3-4,Exod:21:8-11, and then without consequence to the assaulter:Lev19:20-22. Not ONE passage speaks out against it.
Yeah, no, it doesnât âproveâ it. Definitely not the little lich you seem to think is real. Donât even try to say Tacitus is âproofâ either 𤣠decades after the supposed âdeath and resurrectionâ sharing some hearsay. Didnât even get Pilateâs title right. Also, Portuguese sailors learning about Japanâs Shinto beliefs doesnât mean those are real either just because they shared them elsewhere. See how that works? đ
Never said OT is just metaphor. It happened. NT did away with some stuff and God gave us a way to connect and he saved. For an extremely short answer. Now Iâm actually getting off. I donât have energy. But when I am caught up in school maybe I can come back and research thoroughly.
So your god threw a fit and committed atrocity after atrocity instead of being benevolent and using its supposedly infinite power to do good? And, no, your book even says that the OT was not done away with. If your options are 1) eternally satisfying an abuserâs ego or 2) eternal torment, thatâs not really free will. Itâs not love. Itâs abuse and manipulation.
Youâre literally reposting a picture without any deeper understanding of theoretical physics or universe. You just believe what youâve been told. And itâs no different than believing stories from the Bible. Iâm not saying black holes arenât real. I just have no evidence to believe that they are real.