Anonymous #1 21w

So then reform it if you want to ban abortion?😭

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Anonymous #2 21w

Did I ever say anything about banning abortion? No In cases of rape, and incest I think abortions should be an option available.

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Anonymous #2 21w

And trying to get politicians do reform something that fattens their paycheck is like trying to force a horse to drink water

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Anonymous #1 21w

You just contradicted yourself, having abortion banned in all scenarios except rape and incest IS an abortion ban. One with exceptions, but a ban nonetheless…

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Anonymous #2 21w

And my point still stands if you believe the foster system is shit why tf would you advocate for an abortion ban? Even if it have exceptions

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Anonymous #2 21w

The correct term is abortion restrictions. A ban is saying everything about it is illegal.

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Anonymous #2 21w

Also it’s has…not have🤦🏼‍♀️

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Anonymous #1 21w

Babes first of all: what you described would be considered an abortion BAN with exceptions. Abortions restrictions are like gestational limits or waiting periods🥴 abortion restrictions do not make abortion illegal for the vast majority.. they are still obtainable in a certain timeframe

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Anonymous #1 21w

How are you gonna correct my grammar just to go on a semantic argument of ban vs restrict 💀💀

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Anonymous #1 21w

if you believe in abortions for rape then you should believe in unrestricted abortions since it’s well-documented and well-known that many cases of rape can’t be proven.

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We as a church acknowledge the atrocities that have been committed, there is evil in the world, but there is also good

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Because it’s the exception not the rule

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Anonymous #1 21w

I actually do realize this I am literally also a former foster kid but the point of the post is about anti choice ppl doing nothing to support children

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Anonymous #4 21w

people who do either (actively help or harm) are both the exception. the large majority of pro-lifers aren’t. a minority doing good deeds does not absolve the majority of their apathy to the situation they created.

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Anonymous #3 21w

That’s true, but it’s harmful to say that there’s no one, and if I can convince one person to save the life of their baby, that’s a win for me(I want to also note that I believe in medically necessary abortions, and in cases of rape and incest)

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Anonymous #3 21w

No<3

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Anonymous #8 21w

now thats a strawman

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If u are going to use those few evil priests as an example of why the church is evil, then maybe consider that a far higher percentage of teachers rape their students. Do you consider schools evil?

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Anonymous OP 21w

Honest question if you can call out how that’s a straw man, do u also think that your argument isnt in bad faith?

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Anonymous OP 21w

Would rather have been aborted than be sent to foster care? Also I’m sorry if you’ve only run into pro life people who are against foster care but I can guarantee u that they are an extreme minority

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Anonymous #10 21w

No literally me and my siblings are adopted and my parents are pro life

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What about doctors who assault their patients

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Anonymous #9 21w

Tell me u don’t know any pro life people without telling me u don’t know any pro life people

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Wait are you against parents raising/teaching their own kids? Just because public schools exist doesn’t mean it’s evil to teach them yourself, and you shouldn’t be accountable to a government for it, that’s crazy

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Also sounds like you just hate religion more than anything else. Catholic priests never claim to be better than anyone they are human just like the rest of us. And just because the vast majority are great holy people doesn’t mean there arent evil ones, and the presence of those evil ones doesnt nullify the existence of the holy ones

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Anonymous #14 21w

Ok

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Anonymous #12 21w

they’re wasn’t a “few” bad priests. what some many of you fail to do is take proper accountability. this has been a huge problem in the church for decades probably more considering how the church likes to cover these up

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Anonymous #12 21w

this is the reality of many “pro life people” they aren’t actually pro life when they don’t care abt the actual lives that are being lived right now* it’s abt controlling women

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Anonymous #14 21w

what does that have to do with most prolifers not nactualy caring abt the lives of children and instead really just wanting to control women

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Anonymous #12 21w

no said that “pro life” people were against foster care. and with the state of the foster care system, some people being in there until the are adults, living in fear of being assaulted, food insecurity, living somewhere unsafe, etc the list truly goes on. the point is people who claim to be pro life don’t even actually care about the living life here today, just abt controlling women

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Anonymous #12 21w

What have pro-life people done to feed starving children, make healthcare more affordable instead of people going into debt just to afford healthcare? Oh I know, nothing! Since they only care when kids are born, and then that’s it.

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Anonymous #16 21w

The post is acting like the determining factor of whether or not people care is whether they’re willing to foster children. Which is inaccurate

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Oh

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Anonymous #18 21w

yeah its horrible

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Anonymous OP 21w

Really

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Anonymous #12 21w

as someone who was in foster care yes i would rather have been aborted

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Anonymous #4 21w

then you don’t believe in abortions for rape dumbass 💀

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thats why im not catholic. all men are equal

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Anonymous #3 21w

Hey so you can’t tell me what I believe

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Ill first try to agree with u a bit and say that its important for children to have social interaction. However if parents do homeschooling right, they do, they getting them involved in sports, co ops, and plenty of other activities that children in normal school wouldn’t be able to do due to being stuck in class.

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Also idk about the percentages for home school about the raw milk and vaccine stuff but I’m sure neither of us know for for sure. Personally I don’t agree but also it’s not like anyone else is any better. With so many people smoking and eating deli meat and drinking, raw milk is just another thing people do with risks, maybe less so.

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And as for vaccines I don’t agree with just dismissing them like maybe the people you came across in the internet do, but it’s also not wrong to be cautious about things like that. Vaccines are not devoid of potential side effects like any drug and nobody should be forced to take anything they don’t want.

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Also u obviously haven’t met many priests or others if you think that. They don’t. And in Catholicism everyone is called to do something in God’s plan, it’s not a conceit to stay they were called to be a priest any more than another’s vocation is to be say a parent. And also they again do not claim to be anything other than another perfectly normal flawed human. However I will agree with u that mega churches are scam, but Catholicism is very different.

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Anonymous #4 21w

hey so your beliefs are founded on incorrect information. if you’re genuine about this then I beg you to do basic research about something you purport to be passionate about.

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Anonymous #14 21w

it’s also pointing out how little pro-lifers gaf about the foster care system. if you’ve want to take it that way then you can even if you’re wrong ig

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Anonymous #19 21w

Also one of the most fundamental values of Catholicism is that all humans are made equal in the image and likeness of God. Your position in the church doesn’t matter in this respect in the slightest.

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Anonymous #3 21w

My views are slightly different than both of yours. Since I believe that a fetus needs to be classified as a human with all the rights associated with one,I don’t believe abortions should be performed under any circumstance other than a last resort medical procedure to save the mother. It’s can be a difficult position to discuss because I think some people would find it offensive, but since I do believe that’s fully a baby it shouldn’t die for others’ crimes or conveniences.

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Anonymous #16 21w

I’ll discuss in good faith and admit that yes there are some like that. But I’m my experience there are so many more that do truly value life. They donate their time and money to help support single mothers or mothers in need, and even open their own homes to foster children.

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Anonymous #16 21w

Most of the pro life people I know are women, especially the outspoken ones

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Anonymous #9 21w

The internal monologue doesn’t make u sound smarter. Also don’t confuse pro life people who republicans in general. Just because republicans are against abortion doesn’t mean they fully align with the pro life viewpoint.

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Anonymous #4 21w

downvoting and refusing to respond bc you know I’m right 💀 strong opinion w/o looking into literally anything makes you seem like the type of person to get into fights abt Santa being real.

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Anonymous #3 21w

I’m sorry that I’m protecting my peace and attending my classes, my beliefs don’t have to align with what’s going to happen for example in the case of rape. Life begins the moment that sperm enters the egg and removing even a “clump of cells” for no good reason is murder. The church will always have bad people in it, any church will, but it was built on good.

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Anonymous #9 21w

Ok

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Anonymous #4 21w

idk how you expect to be taken seriously when you straight-up just said your beliefs don’t have to align with reality. that’s the definition of delusion. I’m genuinely disgusted that a college student has such little care for educating herself on the hills where she chooses to die.

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Anonymous #12 21w

I’m glad that you’re honest about your opinion, I respect that even though I heavily disagree. I doubt we’ll come to an understanding in a YY comment section but I wish you the best

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cool, dude. still happily blocking you <3

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Anonymous #12 21w

Parents should have a right to decide what to teach their children, I don’t think any government should dictate exactly what is taught. But also homeschoolers follow curriculums too it’s not like the parents just make the textbooks themselves. The concerns you have over vaccines or etc are beliefs the children would be exposed to anyway by virtue of living with them.

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Also no I’m not talking about improperly prepared food. Deli meat was recently classified as a class one carcinogen on the same level as arsenic, cigarettes, and asbestos. And again people do stuff that is way worse for you all the time like smoking and drinking alcohol where the comparative risk is far higher. I’m pretty sure even driving a car is more dangerous, although most people need to so I won’t use that as an example of a risky leisure activity like the others.

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Also no, the priesthood is not considered a “higher calling” in the sense that is it better for salvation. It is seen “higher” only in the sense that the priesthood is a total dedication and imitation of Christ through celibacy. However that does not many priests any better in value than anybody else, they are still humans with all the flaws and same ability to sin as the rest of us.

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No what I take issue with is when people try to draw lines between “this human has value but not this one” due to any factors involving ability or development. Any time anyone says “a fetus isn’t a human with worth because ___” always ends up being morally problematic in a bunch of other ways as well. No human should be denied the right to live. And yes that means no death penalty either before anyone tries to call me a hypocrite.

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What’s why many parents don’t teach sex ed? I would say the vast majority of parents give some version of “the talk” lol. But regardless parents have the right to raise their children as they see fit. That’s a basic familial right, that can’t just be taken away that’s a huge ethical violation.

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And I’m talking about normal deli meat. Look up how it’s made, but essentially it’s so processed that it wrecks havoc on your gut which causes a ton of issues including cancer. Same level of threat as asbestos and other bad substances. But as I was saying raw milk is no different then drinking or smoking in terms of risk either, it’s something people choose to do with risks, except one so vilified and the others aren’t for some reason.

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I believe all humans have value, don’t straw man my argument. This is the same as if I asked u if you would save a baby or an 80 year old from a burning building. Most people who choose to save the baby, but that doesn’t mean the 80 year old doesn’t have the same rights and value. That also doesn’t mean if I see the same 80 year old on the sidewalk I can’t just kill them randomly.

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I understood your view the first time, but just because I would choose the person who killed in self defense doesn’t mean the other person lost all value or suddenly doesn’t have rights. Those rights are unalienable and that person still has value. Just because someone committed vehicular manslaughter while drunk doesn’t mean anyone can just kill them because they feel like it.

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If an 11 year old is getting abused and raped by her brothers that isn’t so much an education issue that’s a terrible parent issue. Yes kids should be told about private parts and have that concept explained to them, but lack of accountability over homeschooling is not why that girl was raped. That is because her brothers are seriously mentally twisted.

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you’re on a roll for getting mad bc you wildly misinterpreted something

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no you just misinterpreted it, literally everyone else got it but you. ik it’s YY but you’re choosing a goofy hill to die on

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I suppose the values thing is more semantics, when I say value I mean value inherent to human beings, not just losing privileges or being shamed

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Plenty of non homeschooled people get away with atrocities all the time, this is not an Amish or homeschooled issue it’s an abuse issue. Plenty of rape and abuse happens in schools as well and plenty have gotten away with it too.

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Anonymous #16 21w

Yea it was an evil few, but any other interpretation saying it’s more is objectively wrong. Teachers have a higher abuse rate than priests. Also the church acknowledges that it mishandled cases and has implemented strict measures to ensure it doesn’t happen again, which is the definition of accountability, despite those cases also just being some church officials and not “the church” as many people seem to like to just say without reason

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