Anonymous #1 8w

Why the heck am I downvoted for acknowledging it’s likely misogyny that clogs men’s own viewpoints. Which is why women likely are noticing more bad than good. It’s not like we think men are bad in general since there are good parts. A lot of men let the societal patriarchy and misogyny block them from truly having the most potential for ppl to see the good. A lot of bads will project more than good if you only show the bad online. Especially in this forum

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Anonymous #1 8w

And then saying it’s only on progressives is kind of weird. I don’t think it only relates to progressive activism. Even a lot of traditional mindsets are likely noticing it. He’s not wrong but a lot of women have looked at the good. It’s more on the surface of why are ppl noticing more bad than good. Especially if you only push the bad online as the majority take or ppl are only giving you bad takes on yourself, it would make it difficult to speak on the good things

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Anonymous #1 8w

I love how when there’s societal pressure and influence on young girls they’re described as victims of it and when there’s ‘societal patriarchy and misogyny’ as you say, ‘men let it block them’. You’re getting downvoted because you’re clearly only interested in defending the progressive narrative and don’t give a shit about young men because as far as you’re concerned, everything they’re dealing with is self inflicted.

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Anonymous #6 8w

Uh clearly not. How are ppl defending “progressive narrative”. It’s progressive narrative for a reason. I care about anyone’s mental health. Just bc ppl care doesn’t mean they can’t acknowledge both sides of it. There’s nuance to it. That’s like saying “oh what men say to you doesn’t happen you’re being a victim”, what raised patriarchal standards? That’s dumb. As if women aren’t also dealing with self inflicted things and inflicted things on others. A lot of it is also self inflicted so saying

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Anonymous #1 8w

It isn’t is also stupid. So you don’t think a lot of the things men face are bc of societal standards? Bc the reality of it is women ARE investing in men. MEN don’t invest in themselves either for a personal reason or a reason that was inflicted by someone else. We talk good about men all the time. It’s men that have ignored it to say women are lying. It’s men that won’t take it seriously

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Anonymous #6 8w

You get ppl that have loving families but bc they can’t get women attention or the female gaze they don’t think women actually care. Women are just as empathetic

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Anonymous #10 8w

Then we’ve got the right side feeding them extremist rhetoric about how they should above women and essentially own them. And even with life they say it should all be handed to them for being a man. So we have a large group of them who don’t even know half to take care of themselves. A refusal to better themselves. And that I do feel for cuz they cannot being doing well mentally Shit maybe Obama should be the new male influencer and give them something sorta positive to look up to.

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Explain? Bc I see both sides

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Anonymous #1 8w

Bc to say the most progressive era of women aren’t speaking highly of men is probably for a valid reason. You must act like men don’t do things wrong. A lot of you really do skip the point of reading to comprehend. Women are likely the most encouraging of both genders, to other women, men and minorities

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Anonymous #1 8w

You’re downvoting but not explaining which is funny. Idk why we’re the ones who are always put at fault for something we’ve been doing for decades. I don’t think women should constantly be at the forefront in a world catered to men. It’s up to men to also be there for themselves just as much as women are there for them. The phrase “we haven’t been intentional to invest in the boys”, is something that isn’t only a women’s issue when men don’t also invest. It’s a mutual effort

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Now you’re just trying to put words in their mouth because that’s literally not what they said. They said that the responsibility for men’s issues doesn’t just lie on women it lens on other men who also need to help fix the problem.

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Uh…no? Women are usually the most progressive for a reason. That’s why I said in my initial comment what do you want us to do when it’s ppl like you that will just call us liars no matter how much we seem to care and encourage guys? That’s why even to Obama it seems women don’t invest anymore. The problem is we do it’s just not as noticed bc the bad is pushed to the public more

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Anonymous #1 8w

Even in voting, women likely vote on more emotion and with the thought of others in mind. Like ppl were to think we voted with the thought of only abortion in mind, when elderly, the LGBTQ community, and minorities were also at risk here. Even men were at risk ofc, and those with disabilities

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Literally nothing I said equals “men bad women good” unless you look at it on a surface level and always take offense to the proven obvious. Literally investing in men is not a woman’s problem when incels exist. It’s a mutual issue. Even men don’t take themselves seriously and it then pushes to “women don’t care about men unless it’s for xyz reasons”

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Anonymous #1 8w

“You get ppl that have loving families but bc they can’t get women attention or the female gaze they don’t think women actually care” this! This! The 4chan redpill incel thing online for this generations literally is all about this. Unless they have a woman they can “claim” they are not succeeding. We need to be shutting down the extremist groups sharing this sentiment. It isolates men in extreme ways instead of teaching them the joy of community.

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Anonymous #12 8w

Obama is a mass murderer and war criminal but how is he genocidal? And no, voting for one of two relevant candidates who both support the same thing does not make you complicit in that thing in any way

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Anonymous #13 7w

By sheer numbers, he killed hundreds of thousands of people. He committed a planned famine in Yemen, hundreds of thousands of children starved to death

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Anonymous #13 7w

And yes, you are complicit. Your reasoning is circular. They are the “relevant” candidates BECAUSE people vote for them. If everyone decided genocide was a red line, it would be unelectable.

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