Anonymous #1 3w

Ugliness inside radiates outside. Nuff said

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Anonymous OP 3w

The projection is crazy. Pot calling the kettle black right there

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Anonymous #1 3w

facts beat feelings

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Anonymous #3 3w

I support women not being forced to carry

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Anonymous #2 3w

That’s actually funny since yall bring up feelings in almost every single issue when the facts state otherwise. For example, abortion is killing the fetus in the womb because the facts state that it’s alive from conception. Or do the facts not apply to that scenario?

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Anonymous #1 3w

You don’t seem to understand how science works.

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Anonymous OP 3w

The science that argues human life begins at conception? That science? I understand it quite well, thank you

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Anonymous OP 3w

Okay so then when does human life and development begin?

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Anonymous #1 3w

Biology, development, and legal personhood are three different concepts. Biology says a zygote is a living human cell, the same way sperm and eggs are living human cells. Human development begins at fertilization but that doesn't mean personhood begins there. Science can describe development, but science cannot decide legal rights-that's a philosophical and legal question, not a biological one.

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Anonymous OP 3w

So what we just don’t value human beings because they aren’t considered a “person” yet? Yikes

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Anonymous #1 3w

If biological life automatically had the same legal value as a person, then miscarriages would require homicide investigations, and IVF clinics would be committing mass manslaughter every day. We clearly don’t treat it that way in law or medicine.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Miscarriages would require homicide investigations? What are you talking about bro? A miscarriage is nowhere CLOSE to being the same thing as abortion. And frankly, the argument that a human being in the womb doesn’t have value (or the same value) because it’s not a “person” yet indicates that there’s a difference on how we should treat a human being based on age/stage of development which by definition is discrimination

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Anonymous OP 3w

Let’s talk about sex. Look at the basic reality of human reproduction. Sex is the natural act that can create new life, that’s just a biological fact. So when two people choose to have sex, they’re engaging in an act where pregnancy is always a possible outcome, even if the intention isn’t to conceive.

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Anonymous #4 3w

That means responsibility starts before conception. You can only create a baby by having sex, so choosing to have sex while assuming pregnancy ‘won’t happen’ is like pressing the gas pedal on a car and being shocked that it moves. The possibility is built into the action.

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Anonymous #4 3w

So even if people want to debate the exact scientific moment life begins, the need to debate it shows there is something significant happening at conception, otherwise the argument wouldn’t matter. At minimum, conception is the point where a new, unique human organism starts developing. But the responsibility for that begins earlier, at the moment you choose to engage in the act that can naturally lead to it.

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Anonymous #1 2w

you’re just saying “nuh uh what about this and this and this” just assuming people’s political stance.

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Anonymous OP 2w

If we are deciding personhood for unborn children as personhood is ridiculous the same logic was used for slavery 💀💀💀

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Anonymous OP 2w

“Forced to carry” brother nobody forced you to fuck (before you go rape even pro life supports the three exclusions rape, incest, and threat to a mothers life - I’ll add I think minors should be included here) able minded adult women should be wise enough to know consequences to their actions

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Anonymous OP 2w

That being said abortion is bad and murder but I can’t stop you from doing it just knows it is wrong and it effects your body for a reason negatively it’s because you’re supposed to have that kid

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Anonymous #1 2w

how you so randomly started an abortion argument out of nowhere ..

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Anonymous #7 2w

It’s much more likely for pregnancy to cause death or serious long lasting side effects than a first trimester abortion

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Anonymous #9 2w

14 times more likely for giving birth to cause death than an abortion pill

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Anonymous #9 2w

Not if you properly take care of your body during pregnancy… also

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Anonymous #9 2w

Where are these statistics from because I fact checked this and the first things I see very much disagree? I’m not saying your lying btw I just would like to see where this information is from

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Anonymous #9 2w

Published by national library of medicine

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Anonymous #9 2w

Another one

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Anonymous #9 2w

This might be what you’re looking at

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Anonymous #9 2w

This and the last picture are from the World Health Organization btw

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Anonymous #9 2w

And these are mainly about procedures and not the pill so the numbers just for that would be even lower and they’re getting lower and lower vs what year the study is from

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Anonymous #9 2w

And about 65% of abortions now are very early from the pill and the numbers are very quickly going up and surgical is going down. I know I’m going on and on but i don’t even care rn

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Anonymous #1 2w

Ever cummed into a sock? Or down a drain? Of course you have. Congrats!!! You’ve killed millions of people by your logic. You shed cells constantly as a human. Each of those are equal to a fetus at conception. You are a human graveyard. Learn something before you make every point about you MORE obviously true

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Anonymous #11 2w

🤦🏼‍♂️ Surely I’m not gonna have to explain the absolute stupidity of what you just said

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Anonymous #1 2w

aww man 😂 no grief about “murdering thousands” huh

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Anonymous #2 2w

Again, please tell me I don’t need to explain the ignorance of that argument. Google is free

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Anonymous #1 2w

I do think you need to. Prove to us you know that the internet is something you use.

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Anonymous #11 2w

Sperm cells are simply gametes. It is NOT an individual and separate organism like the fetus is nor does it have the ability to grow and develop like the fetus does. Did you skip biology class?

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Anonymous #1 2w

Sperm cells do in fact grow and develop. But conception is just where two gametes interact, it’s still two different gametes when you look and say it’s a human person. But honestly? I’m impressed to speak to someone arguing against abortion that knows what a haploid cell is.

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Anonymous #9 2w

Are you aware that you switch between percentages and other stats very often it’s a way media attempts to deceive people if you’re 11x more likely to die to pregnancy you’re not 11x more likely to die if you choose to stay pregnant then get an abortion more people are choosing to stay pregnant by such an abundant number worldwide that this statistic becomes easy especially if they take that data from overseas

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Anonymous #11 2w

But see you just contradicted yourself because you correctly stated that conception is where two gametes interact. This indicates there’s a separate process (which there is) and separate environment necessary (which is also true) in order to create a new living organism that’s classified as a human being

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Anonymous #1 2w

There is an environment necessary to raise an infant and it not die too

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Anonymous #1 2w

… what? I understand that conception is in fact a process. I understand that a fetus develops INTO what can be called a person. But if at conception it is already a person legally, then that would mean that anytime the two cells that haven’t combined yet (conception is just before they combine into one thing, its first contact) are equally “people”. As such, that person status MUST also include haploid cells.

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Anonymous #11 2w

Incorrect conception is the process and if ur argument is an abortion will take out conception my friend plan b does that you’ll probably not be doing an abortion till post conception 🙏😭

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Anonymous #7 2w

You are correct, this is true

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Anonymous #11 2w

Luckily this isn’t the case because a sperm cell CANNOT develop into a new organism on its own. It does not meet the biological requirements. However, as soon as it combines with the egg, that’s when it meets the biological requirements to be considered a human being

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Anonymous #1 2w

It can’t. Your right. But saying it “doesn’t grow” was wrong, and wanted to correct it. I have realized at this point that I can’t convince you in argument. So this has become about convincing other people you are morally wrong. Which I assume you have done yourselves.

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Anonymous #11 2w

My meaning behind it doesn’t grow was “on its own,” I should’ve specified. Still not sure how protecting innocent human life is morally wrong though

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Anonymous #1 2w

Start with children. And teens. Have the kids that are born be the ones you protect. This way you simply restrict people’s choices. If there were fewer reasons to abort, then people would do it less. If you wanted to save innocent lives you would focus elsewhere. That isn’t the point.

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Anonymous #11 2w

First of all who says I don’t advocate for that as well? Secondly, there are no reasons to abort. And no, I would also focus my attention on abortion because of how prevalent a problem it has become

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Anonymous #1 2w

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/03/25/what-the-data-says-about-abortion-in-the-us/ The problem is so prevalent that it’s at a low since the 1980s. Please understand that it’s somewhat difficult to find data more recent than this. Please let me know if you find something disproving this

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Anonymous #11 2w

There were over 1 million abortions last year. And it was an increase from the number in 2023, and studies are saying that the number is still on the rise despite the bans that are being put in place. That’s prevalent. That’s a problem

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Anonymous #1 2w

And let me clarify by saying that’s the United States alone, not even counting the rest of the world

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Anonymous #1 2w

Well, if they weren’t being banned, if assailants were held responsible instead of celebrated, if we had actual liveable wages, if healthcare were free, education more accessible and totally standardised, if food deserts weren’t a thing, that number would drop significantly.

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Anonymous #10 2w

Oh I certainly agree, but it’s still not a good enough reason to end a life

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Anonymous #1 2w

Well, it’s not “ending a life”, so…

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Anonymous #10 2w

All you need to do is scroll up to find out that, yes, it does in fact end a life

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Anonymous #1 2w

When you restrict them and use people as incubators, yes.

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Anonymous #10 2w

How does that relate to what we’re talking about here? Feel like that just came out of left field

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Anonymous #1 2w

Nope. You want to pretend that abortions end lives when that’s not true. Restricting them does.

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Anonymous #10 2w

The definition of abortion from Yale Medicine is the termination of a pregnancy. That pregnancy, being the fetus, is biologically a human being and is biologically alive. Therefore, pregnancy = a life, and termination of pregnancy = termination of life. So unless you want to claim that basic science is incorrect, abortion ends lives

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Anonymous #1 2w

Well, that depends entirely on semantics as to what is considered “life”, but a foetus is not a complete human, it’s not a baby, and if you were so focused on being “pro life”, what are you doing for Palestinians, the Sudanese, or Congolese? How about for those who have no food? Healthcare? How about for protecting Queer kids and immigrants? Or are you just concerned with pretending to be morally high when you actually don’t care about someone’s suffering or that abortions are healthcare?

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Anonymous #10 2w

If you really want to get into the science of it, it’s not a complete human until it’s fully developed, which isn’t until around 25 years old. But of course, we wouldn’t kill other human beings simply because they aren’t fully developed yet, so why are we killing human beings in the womb? There’s no difference. And why are you assuming that just because I advocate for pro life that it means I don’t advocate for other issues? Now you’re just making baseless claims and assumptions

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Anonymous #1 2w

This is not a human. This is not a baby.

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Anonymous #1 2w

This is a human. This is a baby. If you think those are the same, you’re insane.

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Anonymous #1 2w

And we know y’all don’t actually care about keeping people alive. Same group that’s against abortions want Queer and disabled people erased, work to cut support programs, work against education and free lunch programs, do nothing to advocate for paid parental leave, liveable wages, none of it. You just want to feel morally superior while being the most selfish and hateful ilk out there.

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Anonymous #12 2w

When those harmful beliefs don’t actively take over and aim to suppress science and minorities.

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Anonymous #12 2w

I don’t think that can exist. Nor if facists are allowed to be equals. I’ll also throw the words rapist and pedophile in for good measure Prove he isn’t. There is plenty of proof he is.

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Anonymous #10 2w

Both of them are humans. If you think that is wrong, you need to go back to Biology 101

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Anonymous #10 2w

Again, another baseless assumption. This might come as a shock but you don’t know me, you don’t know what my daily life looks like, you don’t know how I spend my time, you don’t know what else I advocate for. Just because you don’t see me doing it doesn’t mean I don’t do it. You’re just making yourself look silly at this point

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Anonymous #10 2w

You disagree with other beliefs and that’s okay, but the whole point of America is that we’re allowed to have different beliefs. And you’re not gonna change someone’s beliefs by shaming them so you’re wasting your time

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Anonymous #11 2w

I’m not trying to prove or disprove anything it’s just astounding to me that people think they could even change someone’s else’s beliefs…ur not gonna change the way anyone thinks by just shaming them😭

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Anonymous #12 2w

“Different opinions” bitch, human rights aren’t “opinions”.

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Anonymous #10 2w

And which human rights are you referring to in this context

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Anonymous #10 2w

What human rights??? If we are talking about abortion is a human right it’s not if so let the fetus determine its life… ohhh wait it wants to live that’s why it’s trying to birth, before you say a fetus can’t want that it literally does so do animals and I don’t think you wanna say you support animal abuse anyway ☺️

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Anonymous #7 2w

That certainly is a word salad. Dumbass.

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Anonymous #10 2w

It’s harmful beliefs when they oppose yours? What minority is being suppressed can you provide any actual evidence? Any actual factual basis or are you so brainwashed you believe everyone who opposed your beliefs are evil

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Anonymous #12 2w

Housing, food, education, healthcare, autonomy, just to name some of the most basic and essential.

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Anonymous #9 2w

No there are multiple he seen that disagree actually but your statistics seem fairly valid you can just find whatever statistics you want online ig I will say yours does specify first trimester

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Anonymous #10 2w

Will you list specific examples? Just curious because those are constant issues in America under each presidency, but were you attacking Biden for not solving them?

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Anonymous #12 2w

Anyone who opposes them is a piece of shit, it’s really simple. Not once did I ever say I accepted biden and his bullshit.

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Anonymous #12 2w

Actually yes many did. I still think the entire current American system need to be changed to lead to real change. Biden didn’t do good with Israel. He wasn’t good in terms of housing. But just saying “bUt BiDeN” dosen’t fix the harm trump is doing. And the harm you personally are doing.

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Anonymous #10 2w

That’s fair if you’re holding everyone accountable. I was more so commenting towards the people who don’t say shit about Bidens mistakes and just blame everything on trump

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Anonymous #12 2w

Everything he is doing is his fault. And he is making every aspect worse. The worst Biden did was not fix anything.

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Anonymous #12 2w

I don’t think any president has been good. Some have done some good things, yes, but as a whole… no. Not even close.

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Anonymous #10 2w

Never said they did. But some are far worse. I’d say trump is worse for America in EVERY aspect that Biden, if Israel is included as “public relations”

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