Anonymous #1 2d

I’m a guy, but I assume by dehumanizing OP means slut shaming, viewing them as less as a person, or respecting them less. Like I don’t think OP is saying it’s dehumanizing to look, or that there isn’t any level of vulnerability in wearing revealing clothing, but a lot of guys, at least online, seem to have less respect for women who wear revealing clothing, or assume they’re up for anything and don’t seek consent.

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Anonymous #1 2d

Like if you view a woman embracing her sexuality or displaying parts of her body as a loss to her dignity, then how are you supposed to have a fulfilling intimate relationship with someone when you view being vulnerable with one another other the way that you mention as an indignity?

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Anonymous #1 2d

2 put it nicely. Dehumanization in this case is lack of respect. It’s a mindset thing. If you think of someone as less than human or inherently less valuable because of their clothes, that’s dehumanization. Or if you stop caring what happens to them after seeing their clothes.

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Anonymous OP 2d

Ok so I can think less of her just as long as it’s not to a dehumanizing level?

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Anonymous #1 2d

No you idiot

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Anonymous #4 2d

It’s really not. And a partner that respects his gf and knows it’s the men that are the problem will be okay with what his gf wears. My bf has never had an issue with what I wear outside. Bc he knows it wouldn’t be my fault if I ever got harassed. Ppl need to learn to stop thinking of women as objects of sexualization

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Anonymous #3 2d

This is such a contradictory line of thinking because what you’re saying is “women dressing slutty isn’t sexualizing themselves and it’s the men who are doing the sexualizing of them” bro if you’re dressing to show your body off in a sexually provocative way for a party, that’s all good you do you, but don’t try to claim you’re not sexualizing yourself

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Anonymous #4 2d

I’m not sexualizing myself. Clothing ≠ sexualizing. If I’m not sexualizing myself then you are. Bc I’m doing it bc it’s cute and I’m confident not for your horny attention. Not everything is about you or your sexual needs

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Anonymous #3 2d

CLOTHING 👏🏽 IS 👏🏽 NOT 👏🏽 CONSENT

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Anonymous #3 1d

It’s not about me nor my needs, the sexualization is coming from the person who dresses sexually, and the amount of mental gymnastics you’re doing to avoid accountability for that is heavy - if your confidence comes from your ass cheeks hanging out, it’s 100% a sexualized source of confidence. And of course clothing is not consent, that goes without saying - just not hard at all to understand that you are sexualizing yourself by dressing slutty

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Anonymous #4 1d

Yk the anus is not a sexualized part of the body right? It’s porn and men that MADE it sexual. What about the body part that spews shit is attractive? Women have always been on swivels for how they dress bc of men like you that associate clothing with sexuality. But if a woman went outside in sweats all day she doesn’t care about her appearance in public. But once it’s revealing she doesn’t respect herself and wants to get sexualized. That’s provocative and honestly creepy predatory behavior

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Anonymous #3 1d

Why would anyone willingly WANT to be sexualized for being themselves? That’s a blasphemous assumption. The only accountability here is you taking accountability for being a creep and sexualizing ppl for what they wear. Women have been harassed in any amount of or little amount of clothing they have. Sexual harassment never stops at the clothes and never has

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Anonymous #3 1d

“Would anyone willingly want to be sexualized” of course - that’s literally the entire point, people like to have sex. I wish you were as thoughtful about this topic as you are passionate about it

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Anonymous #4 1d

wtf does ppl enjoying sex have to do with you sexualizing them? SEX IS STILL CONSENTED. HARASSMENT and SEXUALIZING is not

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Anonymous #3 1d

I can tell you’re a pervert from your viewpoints

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Anonymous #3 1d

I think perhaps you and #4 have different definitions of sexualizing or sexualization? I don’t think #4 views the term as necessarily implying a nonconsensual act or objectification. I think #4 perhaps means that they consider showing certain parts of one’s body in a certain context to be an inherently sexual act in and of itself, even though they don’t view it as an invitation for harassment or further sexual acts.

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Anonymous #4 1d

In the event a woman is single or if their partner is okay with it, then why would it matter if they’re sexualizing themselves by wearing revealing clothing that shows a part of their body? Why would you respect someone less for sexualizing themselves or embracing their sexuality, as long as they aren’t being deceitful about it towards anyone who they are intimately involved with?

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Anonymous #2 1d

But that’s not a sexual act…

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Anonymous #3 1d

Fair, but I was more so explaining #4’s perspective. What constitutes a sexual act is somewhat cultural and context dependent, and a matter of intention and interpretation. Like in some cultures, kissing isn’t viewed as a sexual act but in the United States it typically is. Anyhow, this post is quite literally sexualizing revealing clothing, in so far as it makes a makes a comparison between viewing body parts displayed by revealing clothing and viewing body parts during sex.

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Anonymous #1 1d

Think less of her how? What specifically about her is “less”?

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Anonymous #4 1d

If a naked person fell out of the sky, would they be sexualized? Last I checked, nakedness is our default setting. A naked person is just a person. We are all so used to seeing clothed people that we forget that sometimes

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Anonymous OP 1d

We as a society have values that a person falling out of the sky or acting on their default setting does not. I really would not want to live in a society where everyone is operating on “default settings” and there are no norms for communication or respecting the people around you

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Anonymous #4 1d

Neither would I. Personally I prefer a society whose values stem from empathy, honesty, and altruism. My point is: human bodies are human. There is nothing inherently sexual about a person existing. We only pretend there is because we’ve been conditioned to think that way. If you grew up in a nudist society, I guarantee you would think nothing of it.

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Anonymous OP 1d

And yet, we did not grow up in a nudist society, and in our society nudity is sexualized, which is the society the people who dress this way grew up in - unless they fell out of the sky, they’re sexualizing themselves

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Anonymous #4 1d

The ppl who dress that way aren’t nudists 😭

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Anonymous #4 1d

Or maybe they just aren’t as narrow-minded as the rest of us. Maybe they have the capacity to see past blind obedience to human sheep behavior. Maybe they look at a social standard and ask “why?” instead of blindly following it. Maybe their moral code is better examined and truer than yours.

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Anonymous OP 1d

#4 is the kind of person to think booty shorts are meant for him to look at when in reality if he was an actual woman he’d know it’s men that made the world sexual. We fought for freedom of expression in clothing yes but even before then men specifically made women’s clothings hella tight and form fitting and with revealing clothes for their gain. Even now it’s hard to find shorts with long inseams that aren’t denim that look nice without buying kids clothes

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Anonymous #4 1d

If we COULD have grown up in a different world and gotten different values, that proves that our values come from the influence of others. Others who might be wrong. Appeal to tradition is a logical fallacy. Instead of citing actual reasons to behave a certain way, appeal to tradition says “well our grandparents did it, so we should too”. Just because old people do something, doesn’t mean it’s right. Ancient people did human sacrifice and slavery.

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