Anonymous #2 6d

one day you'll have the emotional fortitude and self awareness to distinguish yourself from the abusers people are discussing without putting that emotional burden on the survivors; who are already burdened by both abuse and by the self-centered men who want to make women's expressions of suffering abuse from men all about themselves

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Anonymous #4 6d

If I said all women love raping men just because I’ve been raped by a woman, you’d say “not all women.” Almost like being accused of a literal crime just because of your gender is wrong.

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Anonymous #2 6d

It can’t even be a majority of men because it isn’t even a majority of women who are raped.

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Anonymous #7 6d

if you have 10 men and 10 women, and 6 of those men rape 4 of those women, you could have a majority of men rape a minority of women

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Anonymous #2 6d

~1/5 men report cheating, ~1/8 women report cheating. if you said "women ain't shit" over cheating it would make no sense because men do that 50% more too...

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Anonymous #2 6d

if the only difference between one not being a whiny dweeb is the word "some" being placed before "men", one is pathetic and self-absorbed. like use your head for a second to see how fucking ridiculous that sounds "she said 'men suck' instead of 'the men who r*ped me suck' and now i'm taking it personally awww boo hoo wah wah wah it's all about me not the survivors. everybody should make me feel comfortable and welcome when discussing their abuse, trauma and suffering!"

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Anonymous #2 6d

"idc if most of the people i'll see speaking like this will be strangers online - they should factor my feelings in when venting about the horrors they've suffered at the hands of men! next time say 'most men' or i'll cry!"

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Anonymous #2 6d

the world would be a better place if men stopped centering themselves in survivors' conversations and posts about surviving men's abuse

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Anonymous #2 6d

generalizing is neither good nor bad. generalizations are an unavoidable and often useful part of language. there is a difference between generalization and "faulty generalizations" (look it up). some generalizations are valid and valuable

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Anonymous #7 6d

Me when I have no clue how math or statistics work:

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Anonymous #2 6d

"Women should say 'most men' instead of 'men' when discussing being harassed, assaulted, raped and stalked by men so that I can feel better about myself" Dude you're so self absorbed that you're trying to micromanage women's language (a literal one word difference) when talking about some of the worst experiences of their life. PATHETIC

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Anonymous #2 6d

This is maidenless behavior and you will struggle to engage with women in a meaningful, deeper way as long as you cling to this selfish mentality NOT EVERYTHING IS ABOUT YOU NOT EVERY DISCUSSION ABOUT MEN IS ABOUT YOU

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Anonymous #9 6d

I think you can support an overall point without generalizing like that. This happens in debates everywhere and it’s toxic to generalize every time imo. It’s also true that you shouldn’t let the anti-generalization argument over the rest of the conversation, which is debatably more important. It annoys me every time. “The libs-“ which one, all of them? “Christians-“ every single one? “The gays-“ every single one? Honestly just correct the generalization and get back to your main point

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Anonymous #9 6d

The statistics show that most men are not rapists and the ones that are typically rape multiple women because it’s usually a PATTERN of behaviour

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Anonymous #9 6d

It can’t even be most men

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Anonymous #6 6d

The odds actually point towards the opposite scenario, where men rape multiple women because it’s usually a pattern of behaviour

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Anonymous #9 6d

Btw, please don’t make this about gender, it’s seriously not. No one should generalize anyone. It’s not a ‘micro’ thing, even if it is one word. Slurs are also one word, lol, but they matter too, right? I’m a girl btw. Just say ‘most’ or ‘some’ and you’ll be taken that much more seriously, it’s got nothing to do with your gender. It’s about human respect, which everyone deserves.

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Anonymous #6 6d

I don’t see how generalizing a whole people group in a negative light is helpful or valuable. It’s like saying Germans are horrible vs Nazis are horrible. There’s a difference.

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Anonymous #3 6d

false equivalency

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Anonymous #6 6d

It’s the same thing. Over generalizing is not gonna do anything

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Anonymous #3 6d

no. national identity and political identity do not map onto gender. false equivalency. your argument was stronger while talking about men and women bud

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Anonymous #3 6d

also you just generalized nazis. you clearly understand that it's valid and valuable to generalize at times

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Anonymous #2 6d

Whoever you’re talking to is someone I must have blocked, and I don’t block ppl, so they must be a major troll

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Anonymous #1 6d

same but I haven’t blocked anyone so I think they blocked me

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Anonymous #1 6d

They just aren’t replying. Theyre commenting as a regular post comment

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Anonymous #2 6d

Thank you. I figured it was these easiest example.

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Anonymous #3 6d

That’s weird, are you sure? They sure look to be having a conversation

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Anonymous #1 6d

Yes, they’re talking to me and number 6

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Anonymous #1 5d

"this happens in debates everywhere" when women are expressing frustration with their abuse at the hands of men it's not a debate "it's toxic... imo" yeah that's your opinion tho. nobody cares about your opinion in regard to women expressing frustration with their abuse at the hands of men if a woman is clearly talking about a case of abuse/mistreatment and says "men" and you can't figure out which men it's about that's a skill issue on your part, not a communication failure on hers

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Anonymous #7 5d

#2 claimed it was most men. #9 never did. #9 was simply mocking #2 when they said that

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Anonymous #1 5d

don't make women talking about being abused by men a gendered issue?

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Anonymous #1 5d

and i'll say again: if all it takes is the addition of the word "some" before "men" when women are talking about being abused and mistreated by men for you to stop being a whiny dweeb, you're pathetic and self-absorbed

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Anonymous #7 5d

Never claimed most men are rapists. That would be #2

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Anonymous #1 5d

If you don't take women seriously when they talked about being abused by men because they don't say "some", those women are better off without you involved at all. If anything I hope they do this more to repel people like you who care more about their own opinions and comfort than the lives and wellbeing of the women who were strong enough to speak out about their awful experiences

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Anonymous #1 5d

*Everything I said goes whether you're a man OR woman. Idgaf what you have between your legs or how you identify

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Anonymous #2 5d

go ahead and place these under the thread we were on or i'm not bothering to read them (:

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Anonymous #3 5d

#2 keeps starting new threads and confusing everybody instead of just continuing the thread they were on

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Anonymous #6 5d

keep in mind that when you start a new comment the order in the thread is based on vote count so these will quickly be out of order. use the thread you're already under (so it can be chronological) or you'll just be arguing with yourself (;

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Anonymous #6 5d

these people didn't pay attention when learning about context clues in their literature classes. you could say "this man beat me senseless. men suck!" and one of these hobgoblins would crawl out of the woodworks to whine about how they're taking it personally because they can't distinguish themselves from abusers... which is telling in and of itself

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Anonymous #2 5d

who are you saying this to? you have like a dozen standalone comments that are clearly meant to be replies but are being ignored because nobody knows who you're talking to. you're speaking into a void. reply to the threads or continue being ignored

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Anonymous #7 4d

straw man. nobody said men "love" raping women in the first place and i wouldn't feel compelled to say "not all women" at all. i'd probably be curious where you got that idea

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