Anonymous #1 1w

well according to dating standards and “conventional attractiveness” it does follow white beauty standards. preferences are most definitely subjective i agree, but even the subjective perspective is heavily influenced by what’s societally attractive, and what society typically find attractive is the white man

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Anonymous OP 1w

I mean if by society u mean like dominantly white society like Europe/Australia/USA/Canada then sure but like Asian countries like china have vastly different beauty standards/preferences

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Anonymous #1 1w

no… asian countries still have those white standards that were left over from colonization, hint is improving in many places more, but “fairness” of the skin is a very desirable trait still in asia

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Anonymous OP 6d

Fairness of skin was a desirable trait in asia way before westernization. It was a symbol of high status and wealth (not getting tanned from working outdoors). It wasn’t about being “European” white

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Anonymous OP 6d

Understandable misconception tho

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Anonymous #1 6d

you’re not wrong, but the difference is that before westernization it was abt money and power as it did signal less laborious work being done by a person, but that desire for fairness got reinforced and more standardized across all the countries, and it also got connected to beauty without a base in some practical sense (as it was before tho it was wrong either way) the argument isn’t abt how it started anyways, it’s abt stopping this perpetuation of trying to achieve eurocentric standards

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Anonymous OP 6d

The standard is from a traditional fashion standard from Asian culture. Trying to stop its perpetuation, even if it’s done with the intention to try to remove a “Eurocentric standard” is working against actual Asian culture. It doesn’t matter how it started yes the only thing that matters is that it’s not a Eurocentric standard it’s an Asian standard (particularly the fashion standards I’m referring to is I believe Chinese).

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Anonymous OP 6d

If it is reinforced by Eurocentric standards that doesn’t change that is is an Asian standard. Yes it’s base is no longer directly in wealth or status, but in the fact it’s been a part of their culture for a very long time

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Anonymous #1 6d

just cuz smt is part of a culture for a period of time doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be changed, if we followed that logic then my ppl would still be colonized, black ppl would still be slaves, jewish ppl would still be in concentration camps. that logic is flawed, and again the original point i was making has nothing to do with culture, it’s abt stopping beauty standards (specifically in the usa eventually globally) from being euro/white centric.

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Anonymous #1 6d

also it’s not asian standard anymore, very much eurocentric, we just talked abt how colonizers changed it from standard derived from some level of factual info, to one solely based in racism and pushing the idea of superiority of the white race

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Anonymous OP 6d

Just because westernization *maybe* reinforced it or emphasized certain parts of it doesn’t mean that it’s not part of their cultural heritage. You can’t just say something like that is no longer okay because westernization happened the foundation of what that standard truly is remains Asian.

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Anonymous OP 6d

Nobody looks at historical representations of the white makeup predecessors in Asian culture and does “oh they obviously are just white supremacists”.

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Anonymous OP 6d

Also this is completely different that what u are mentioning about slavery and colonization and the holocaust. Those were awful historical events, not sure how they relate to a fashion standard

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Anonymous #1 6d

1. it’s not a fashion standard 2. i’m not comparing them im simply using ur own logic to show how it’s flawed in saying “cuz smt is part of a culture, it automatically has to be respected and is ethically and morally right” 3. westernization didn’t “maybe” reinforce or introduce new and old eurocentric standards, it’s a widely studied subject and every study has resulted in the same result, that it DID influence the colonies

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Anonymous #1 6d

and yes nobody says they’re white supremacists cu they’re not white…they do acknowledge that past thinking of fairness representing beauty is flawed and isn’t correct

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Anonymous OP 5d

1. Yes it is how is it not 2. That’s not my logic never said anything even close 3. Honestly I didn’t read these studies but my point is that doesn’t matter. If pale skin is an Asian fashion statement white cultural influence shouldn’t just be able to hijack and destroy that part of their culture. I highly doubt that when for example Chinese women dress in traditional styles they believe that they are now submitting to westernization or supporting something like slavery or colonization

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Anonymous OP 5d

Honestly, retaining previous cultural styles and facets is a way to COMBAT colonization and reverse it. Refusing to look at a traditional style in any way but a westernized colonized lens is actually more damaging to preserving the parts of a society’s cultural heritage that is morally good or neutral

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Anonymous #1 5d

Ofc cultures evolve and can learn but they shouldn’t be shamed to give stuff like that up just because u think they are now only doing it because they want to look like white people

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