Anonymous #3 3d

Most people are only for first trimester abortions, not late term unless for health reasons

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Anonymous #4 2d

Also pregnancy literally sucks the life out of a woman! Ive seen babies take their mother's hair, skin, and teeth! Let alone how they might die from childbirth

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Anonymous #6 2d

Okay fetus then. But just because the fetus might not have an ideal life does it really deserve to just die?

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Anonymous #5 2d

Does this logic also apply to people in long term comas?

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 2d

I mean you can also describe a child as a clump of cells that takes away energy nutrients sleep and harms you lol. Like a fetus or fertilized egg is alive it’s more a question of is that life to be valued which there is some controversy on rn

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Anonymous OP 2d

It doesn’t have a conscious to even make decisions what are you even talking about?

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Anonymous #6 2d

You’d rather kids be born into abusive homes or possibly in poverty instead of ppl getting rightful abortions

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Anonymous #2 2d

I mean tbh I have rather strong views because I’ve seen what an abortion looks like especially a late stage one is brutal and barbaric. Also I can’t see a line before conception that allows me to say that life is worthy of just elective termination without being inconsistent as to how I treat any human life. And if I do believe that their lives have value it would be morally corrupt of me not to care.

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Anonymous #3 2d

It depends on the stage of the fetus although it’s hard to tell. But I also don’t believe in destroying a fertilized egg although that’s a more controversial take with more reasoning than I’ll get into unprompted lol

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Anonymous OP 2d

late stage, by which im assuming you mean third trimester, abortions are rare and only done in dire circumstances. no woman is going to put her body through the literal hell that is pregnancy for 8-9 months only to get an abortion in the third trimester. not to mention securing access to a third trimester abortion is incredibly difficult.

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Anonymous OP 2d

women having the right to choose what to do with their body, their womb, and however they exercise autonomy doesn’t concern you. you can mourn the fetuses you would never even know in the first place, i don’t care, i won’t stop you. imposing that belief on women by restricting access to abortion is only going to result in women seeking out back alley solutions and DYING as a result, disproportionately so for black and brown women. this has been the case for centuries!!!

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Anonymous OP 2d

Yeah that’s ridiculous. A child can breathe and eat and isn’t essentially a parasite on the body. And that’s from someone who wants children. A fertilized egg is not alive. It cannot feel any pain. It’s brain is not developed enough for any pain to be understood. Because it is a clump of cells. I suppose under this logic a cancer is alive and we shouldn’t get rid of it right? Because it has the right to human life? Even though it could kill you? Do you see how ridiculous that is?

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Anonymous OP 2d

People in long term comas are already alive, they had lives before. They had memories and families. That’s not really a valid comparison

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Anonymous #5 2d

I mean those fetuses have families too. And as for memories, what about a coma patient who got amnesia? Like I guess my point is there is really no differentiation that allows someone to say that fetus life has no value that also isn’t problematic for others

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Anonymous #8 2d

I mean I got my views mostly from a couple women I know as well. And they way they look at it is there really a point where you can morally kill a baby because it MIGHT have a less than ideal life?

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Anonymous #8 2d

And of course not that I think you mean this but if you can morally kill babies that might not have an ideal life what’s stopping you from killing other people who say are in hopeless debt or serving life sentences or homeless? The chances of them leading even a good life is fairly close to zero but that doesn’t mean other people can make that choice to “put them out of their misery” or “save them from a terrible life”

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Anonymous hellraiser 2d

Well I mean personal freedom is a really important right, but it always has limits. Like my personal freedom doesn’t allow me to kill anyone I want even tho that might open up a spot in an internship I need. I know that’s an extreme example but I wouldn’t view it as “forcing someone to carry out a pregnancy” and more “preventing someone from killing a baby”.

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Anonymous hellraiser 2d

And I should probably mention that I believe that women shouldn’t bear this alone the father needs to be responsible as well.

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Anonymous hellraiser 2d

And if someone is asking “what about just casual sex”, if you want just to get your orgasms then do it in a way that doesn’t require you to support a backup plan that involves killing a baby.

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Anonymous OP 2d

Well that’s the difference isn’t it? Does the fetus deserve the same rights as a person when it comes to their body. If so, does that then mean that any point past conception is equal for all humans? If earlier, then is every single egg a human, with rights?

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 2d

No cancer doesn’t have its own distinct bodily system and the DNA of different people. And also cancer isn’t a person. Nobody is arguing whether it’s alive or not the argument is whether that life is value. And as for it not feeling any pain, there are some people who cannot feel pain. Is it okay to kill them?

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Anonymous OP 2d

my personal freedom, as per the laws in my state, allows me to terminate a pregnancy up until 12 weeks of pregnancy. i will take full advantage of that if i happen to become pregnant and i don’t want to be. it’s laughable that you think your opinion matters on this subject as pregnancy is never something you will face. respectfully, fuck off.

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Anonymous OP 2d

what women do with their bodies is none of your god damn business

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Anonymous #6 2d

Rightful? First of all most people get abortions electively so thinking “if I don’t get an abortion imma abuse this kid” doesn’t justify you killing them to avoid you abusing them. Secondly just don’t have sex with people you don’t think would make good parents. It’s not that hard. Besides killing a child because they MIGHT be poor is very prejudiced

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Anonymous #6 2d

Fetuses develop forms of consciousness far earlier than most think, and even jf they aren’t conscious it loops back to do coma patients deserve to live?

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Anonymous #2 2d

So you want black and brown women to not have children and get more abortions? Think about what you are saying there I’m sure you didn’t mean that. Also, yeah murders happen everyday and it would be morally wrong of me to turn the other way. I support children already born and everyone else to live as well

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Anonymous #4 2d

Then just don’t have sex if you aren’t ready??? Like do you need to have sex so badly you’d be willing to kill a baby if it came down to it?

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Anonymous #8 2d

In that case then just don’t have sex. Plenty of people are celibate. Yes parenthood isn’t for everyone but killing your own child isn’t the solution to avoiding parenthood

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Anonymous hellraiser 2d

When it kills babies I respectfully disagree. Also just because something is legal doesn’t make it moral. Also do you really believe that others can have a say? For me that’s like if I saw someone kill someone in an alley and they go “none of your business you don’t know me”. And true maybe there’s context I don’t have but the act is still objectively wrong

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Anonymous hellraiser 2d

How can you support the killing of babies? I know that’s a harsh way of putting it but seriously how can anyone justify it? It’s not part of the woman body that is a distinct person with their own value and dignity

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Anonymous OP 2d

Do yk how many kids rn are waiting to get adopted or fostered? Why aren't you doing it? Why should people have kids just to soothe YOUR conscious? Do you even care about the kids we have now?

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Anonymous #4 2d

I care about all kids just because I don’t want to murder some kids doesn’t mean I don’t care about foster kids???? I’m waiting until marriage until I have sex and am ready for kids but when I do I hope to have whatever size family I’m blessed with

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Anonymous #4 2d

Maybe that includes foster kids who knows. Also it’s not just my conscious, I’m literally just saying I want babies to not be killed because it’s inconvenient

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Anonymous OP 2d

Or not be killed for any reason but most of the people here seem to be arguing that the baby should be killed because they aren’t ready or they don’t feel like one. That to me is incredibly messed up to be willing to kill a baby over that

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Anonymous OP 2d

Its not because it's inconvenient, its because thousands of kids rn are currently suffering for absolutely no reason but that again is NEVER talked about. I rather not introduce those innocent children to such a cruel world bc of my selfish feelings

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Anonymous OP 2d

But ig thats okay to you because at least your conscience is clear huh

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Anonymous #2 2d

“no material impact on the world” you have zero way of knowing this. here are just three examples: Steve Jobs, founder of Apple: his young single mother considered abortion, but chose adoption instead. Celine Dion: her mother considered abortion since she was her 14th child, but a priest convinced her not to. Andrea Bocelli: doctors advised abortion due to mother's illness/medications, she did not listen.

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Anonymous OP 2d

i support women getting abortions because as i said earlier i believe it is disgustingly unethical to force a woman to carry out a pregnancy she does not want. it violates her bodily autonomy. i do not view it as “killing babies” because they are unborn. it doesn’t even look like a baby. allowing women access to abortions is a good thing, and legal in many states and countries still

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Anonymous OP 2d

quite frankly i do not give a fuck about an unborn clump of cells that has no conscious or pain receptors. i care about the women who’s lives would be greatly affected by pregnancy. do you realize how life changing and serious that shit is? how much it affects your body, your mental and emotional state? not to mention the thousands on medical bills

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Anonymous OP 2d

your analogies are dog shit and indicative of your low intelligence

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Anonymous twirling_tornado 2d

this is such a pussy argument lmao ofc your pro-life. what about all the young mothers that could have gone on to do something greater with their lives but instead were held back by the financial and other burdens of an unplanned pregnancy?

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Anonymous OP 2d

aht aht aht. the “black and brown genocide” has been an anti-women, anti-abortion talking point for decades now, and you know that’s not what i’m suggesting. feminists wrote about this in the 70s during the aftermath of the sexual revolution when “leftist” men turned their political backs on women because denying women the right to abortion kept them under their control. not to mention black women already suffer from exceptionally high maternal mortality rates bc of medical misogynoir

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Anonymous twirling_tornado 2d

no i do know, because a fetus being aborted is literally a net zero. what would’ve happened if celine dion’s mother died during her birth, being her 14th child and all? is that REALLY in the best interest of 13 children? talking about “potential of the fetus” strips all humanity from the MOTHER and subsequently turns her into nothing more than a womb to be taken advantage of. notice how you didn’t care to identify ANY of these women by their own name?

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Anonymous #2 2d

lol not the finger wagging sound effects. First of all I don’t consider myself a leftist and I don’t pretend to be one. Also that stat on black women is terrible, I haven’t looked that up myself but that needs to be corrected if true. However, how is it anti woman to not want them to kill their babies? Like there’s a lot of evil things that people can do to get ahead in life but we don’t because we are good people. I think killing your baby so you have a better career is one of those things

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Anonymous #4 2d

So kids currently suffering gives women the right to kill their own babies? It’s not selfish to not kill your baby what kind of logic is that. How are these even related. Having a baby doesn’t mean you have to be against helping currently suffering children????

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Anonymous hellraiser 2d

Of course it’s life changing that’s the beauty of bringing if a life into the world. Why are you describing pregnancy like it’s a disease? Yes it’s serious but if you want to avoid it just DONT HAVE CASUAL SEX. Sex is not worth it if you backup plan is killing a baby

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Anonymous hellraiser 2d

yes of course i’m pro life and not pro infanticide like you. as far as financial burdens go, there’s so many churches and nonprofits everywhere with programs specifically made for fully financially supporting women who need it through their pregnancies and afterwards, and also help them with the adoption process if they choose to go that route.

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Anonymous hellraiser 2d

You need to frame to deeper than that why does it matter if they are unborn or not? And if something doesn’t look like a baby but BIOLOGICALLY IS that is literally blatant prejudice and bias

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Anonymous hellraiser 2d

Also not my fault you can’t define your arguments outside of saying that fetuses are worthless because ____? And how you don’t care about them and that makes it okay to kill them. Although resorting to calling me low intelligence isn’t going to strengthen your argument

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Anonymous #2 2d

Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, was a well-known eugenicist and extremely racist against blacks and minorities. Planned Parenthood clinics are purposely set up in minority communities, targeting blacks and other minority groups, and abortion is literally the leading cause of death for the black community. “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population.” – Margaret Sanger

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Anonymous #2 2d

you have no way of knowing if an abortion is a net zero. and saying a mother’s unborn child has the potential to go on to change the world takes absolutely nothing away from the mother as a person. its just a factual statement.

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Anonymous #8 2d

Every single fertilized egg, yes

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Anonymous OP 2d

at the end of the day your opinion means absolutely nothing and is not going to deter anyone from getting an abortion. i doubt you will ever have any political power to alter any kind of laws. it is still legal in many parts of the country, and your opinion on the matter means absolutely nothing. women who need abortions in legal states will continue to get them and you can stay mad! you don’t get to dictate what women do with their bodies. especially something legal. stay mad.

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Anonymous twirling_tornado 2d

i care about the women who would be carrying the fetus, who’s life may be seriously altered by an unwanted pregnancy, not an unborn underdeveloped fetus that feels no pain and has no consciousness. a fetus is not an infant, abortions aren’t murder or infanticide. just because salinger was a racist doesn’t mean all women who get abortions are 😭 i care about the wellbeing of women, you cannot say the same if you do not support access to abortion

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Anonymous OP 2d

this is such a weak argument. the difference is that coma patients have already been born and they aren’t being kept alive inside of another human being, affecting her health and wellbeing.

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Anonymous OP 1d

That’s not a valid argument at all. And stop saying it’s a child it’s a fetus. They don’t have prejudice they aren’t living! And why would you compare a fetus with no brain to a coma patient who’s lived their life. They are kept breathing by medical professionals not a human being that’s still carrying them. Have you not seen women in comas forced to continue to carry in hospitals bc they refuse to abort her child? Those women and that baby can end up dying??

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Anonymous #6 1d

Telling ppl to not have sex if parenting isn’t for them is also ignorant on sex ed. Pregnancy is a risk but just bc ppl don’t want kids that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t still have sexual pleasure

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Anonymous OP 1d

The argument for you is that it’s worth potentially dying, being homeless or not having enough food in order to bring something you’ll end up despising into the world. If I’m to carry a baby it’ll be because I am ready to do so. Not because someone decided that I must.

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Anonymous hellraiser 1d

i care about the wellbeing of women as long as it doesn’t involve them ending someone else’s life! i’m not that selfish. and we don’t know for sure yet if they can feel pain but there is some evidence that suggests they do. As far as Sanger goes I am pointing out that the abortion industry was founded on the fundamental values of eugenics and racism and continues to operate that way today

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Anonymous twirling_tornado 1d

everyone has their own opinion on what is ethical. it does not always correlate with the law. i’m not saying that abortion is ethical because it’s legal. i’m saying it’s legal so his opinion on the subject doesn’t really head any weight. i think it’s way more unethical to not allow women bodily autonomy.

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Anonymous hellraiser 1d

and it was illegal before, and people’s opinions got it changed. and we will get it changed back again in the future, or at least far more severely regulated, too.

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Anonymous twirling_tornado 1d

“we” 😭 you aren’t gonna have a part in doing shit babe ur irrelevant

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Anonymous hellraiser 1d

we’ll see ;)

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 18h

It’s not about if you must carry a baby it’s not not killing a life that already exists. Despising your own baby is something you can get help for.

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Anonymous #6 18h

They are by definition living. And ofc they do have a brain lol. Also nobody is against procedures to save the mother’s life. In emergency situations if there are procedures that put the baby’s life at risk nobody ever said that was wrong. My issue is with elective abortions.

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Anonymous #6 18h

You can get your pleasure any way you want just don’t kill babies to get it. It’s not that hard. Also it’s not ignorant of sex ed it’s just that sex can have consequences that people shouldn’t try to avoid by thinking “how it’s fine if we end up having a baby I’ll just kill it”

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Anonymous OP 18h

So you think someone having IVF is basically a serial killer?

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Anonymous OP 18h

Because is abortion is murder because it’s a fertilized egg and life starts at fertilization then IVF would be mass murder

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Anonymous OP 18h

Which of you think that and think yeah, that’s just insane

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Anonymous OP 17h

By definition they are not. And it’s not your body to tell someone what to do with their pregnancy

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Anonymous #6 17h

Look up any scientific explanation they are alive lol if you don’t accept that there’s nothing I can say. And yes it’s not my body but the baby inside theirs isn’t her body either that’s a person who should have the same rights. Also I will say doing all this defending on killing babies isnt the best look

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Anonymous OP 17h

Scientifically fetuses are not living beings. Please retake bio and anatomy. They don’t become certified as living until they have all the qualities that make humans alive. In which they don’t by the time of qualified abortions

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Anonymous #6 17h

You’re arguing why ppl are wanting abortions. A question YOU asked. And arguing with their wants/opinions as if you didn’t ask them how they felt. It’s not your business. Why ask if you don’t like the answers. You’re arguing pro life stupidity

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