Anonymous #1 1w

Terminating a pregnancy is also a choice, so glad I have it available to me.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Which is exactly why your post makes no sense lmao

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Anonymous #1 1w

Some people make it their life’s mission to endlessly shame women for choosing to end a pregnancy they don’t want

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Anonymous OP 1w

The shaming has moreso to do with the fact they are ending a life when they chose to get pregnant I’d say

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Anonymous #1 1w

Forcing women to continue their pregnancy could result in their life being ended instead, which is what my post is about. Why not shame men for not getting vasectomies instead?

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Anonymous OP 1w

You mean the same way the woman could also get herself tied or not have sex? Lmao

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Anonymous #1 1w

It’s much easier for men to get vasectomies than it is for women to get hysterectomies, plus vasectomies aren’t completely permanent. We should start blaming men for not getting the reversible procedure that saves women from experiencing nonconsensual pregnancy

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Anonymous OP 1w

Vasectomy reversal failure rate grows exponentially each year. Most people who reverse it still need Ivf. Again this is about women who care about getting pregnant not men so those women who care so much should either not have sex or get tubes tied. We don’t know if the men care only the women you speak of

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Anonymous #1 1w

It takes two to tango, it’s the man’s fault just as much as it is the woman’s fault. Men whine about women not wanting to have sex with them, and when they do, everyone complains about how they should only do it if they want to raise a child, tells them they’re not allowed to seek abortions, and doctors tell them they can’t get a hysterectomy on their own. If women aren’t allowed a way out, it’s time to put the blame on men

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Anonymous OP 1w

It’s both of their faults. But if the woman who doesn’t want to get pregnant decides to have sex then she is willingly accepting the risk

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Anonymous OP 1w

If anti-abortion folks want to find a doctor near me who can do a hysterectomy and want to pay for the procedure and my recovery care, I’d be down!

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Anonymous #1 1w

True, she is accepting that risk. Which is why it’s important that safe access to abortions is possible, so that she can quickly stop things from progressing. The same way we save people who risk driving and get in accidents, or call exterminators when people risk opening their window and end up with an insect infestation. Taking a risk doesn’t mean you HAVE to suffer the consequences, unless you love the idea of punishing women for things men go unpunished for

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Anonymous OP 1w

You don’t need to have sex. All the other things you said are people doing tasks in daily life that are in many cases required to function. If you don’t want to get pregnant so badly don’t have sex

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Anonymous #1 1w

We don’t need to do anything that isn’t consuming nutrients, respirating, and sleeping. Yet people do other things all the time that result in consequences they didn’t want. And they find ways to get out of that problem… like abortion. Sex is a fairly important aspect of life for most people, and they should be allowed to do it without being punished for a mistake. Pregnancy is a very serious medical condition that comes with many risks and side effects.

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Anonymous OP 1w

If you’d like to help me get a hysterectomy, we can try to plan something out. That way I can have all the sex I want and I wouldn’t have to worry about pregnancy or abortions ever again. But even then, it comes with a commitment of hormone supplements, which I’d rather avoid considering there are less extreme ways of preventing pregnancy during sex with males

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Anonymous OP 1w

Less extreme ways like not having sex? You guys spend all day telling men how they don’t need sex on here so idk why you can’t just abstain

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Anonymous #1 1w

Condoms, IUDs, and birth control pills exist. You can have sex in ways that reduce the risk of pregnancy to almost nothing. Still, accidents can happen. Idk who “you guys” is but you’re not talking about me. You don’t need sex to survive, but that doesn’t mean nobody should do it or that people are wrong for wanting to experience it, either for reproduction or pleasure. Humans are not the only animals who have sex for fun.

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Anonymous #2 1w

Not trying to insult them but ofc no one wants anybody to be depressed or commit acts against themselves. Saying that someone shouldnt be allowed to kill their fetus/child/baby shouldnt be considered “driving them to depression and worse”

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Anonymous #2 1w

Oh that was me, the comments are still up. Pregnancy isn’t a beautiful to everyone, some of us would rather stop living than to experience that for nine months. It’s okay if you can’t comprehend that, just as I can’t comprehend wanting to be pregnant, but counseling wouldn’t save me in that situation. It’s more serious than you try to make it out to be.

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Anonymous OP 1w

a beautiful gift**

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Anonymous username4444 1w

So if a twelve year old girl is raped and has an abortion she should never have kids when’s she’s an adult?

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 1w

Day after pills exist

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Anonymous OP 1w

At the end of the day they consent to the risk of pregnancy hence the criticism of ending a life

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Anonymous username4444 1w

And what if she isn’t given access to that? What if she doesn’t even understand what happened to her? The youngest mother was 8. You would want that?

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 1w

Well then give her access

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Anonymous username4444 1w

Forcing people to give birth and forcing them to abort are equally horrible things. There are many cases where women become pregnant on accident before they’re able to give a stable home to a child, so they abort, and get pregnant intentionally later down the line.

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Anonymous #1 1w

i want a hysterectomy. do you know how expensive that is, even with insurance? i have sex because it’s fun and it is no longer needed for every sexual act to result in offspring. i take precautions to protect against pregnancy, but accidents happen, condoms break, birth control fails. pregnancy is not always a choice unfortunately. and for those who got pregnant on accident, abortion allows them to have a choice.

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Anonymous #5 1w

Not only is it expensive, but there is a very widespread trend of doctors refusing to allow a hysterectomy, telling women that they need to keep their future husbands in mind, and that they’ll end up changing their mind about having kids. Many won’t do them without permission from a man. The debate around abortion and reproductive healthcare is all about controlling women.

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Anonymous username4444 1w

I’m not gonna take advice from someone who uses fucking kalshi dawg

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Anonymous OP 1w

And like, if someone’s begging for an entire organ to be surgically removed to prevent pregnancies, I feel like that’s enough to prove that she knows she doesn’t want to have biological children.

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Anonymous #5 1w

You choose to bear that risk to have fun.

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Anonymous OP 1w

There is a public list of doctors who will do one regardless of age no hassle. The only reason it’s hard to find is because ironically women themselves who regret it have sued doctors lmao

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Anonymous #1 1w

When you go swimming for fun, you bear the risk of drowning. Should they be left to suffer and drown if they couldn’t keep themselves afloat as easily as they anticipated? Should we shame them for asking a lifeguard to end their drowning?

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Anonymous OP 1w

Do you have to kill someone in the process of saving the person drowning?

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Anonymous OP 1w

Wut

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Anonymous #1 1w

So first it’s about how women need to take accountability for their risk-taking (funny that the men are never blamed for causing pregnancy), and then it’s about how all life and genetic material are important and should be protected. If those were really the case, you’d tell me lifeguards and exterminators shouldn’t exist and people shouldn’t ask for help when drowning/in an accident/dealing with unwanted organisms inside their personal space (which you already push)

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Anonymous OP 1w

lol wait a second wdym by a lifeguard ending their drowning and getting shamed for it

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Anonymous #2 1w

This guy claims abortion is wrong because women should take accountability for a risk they decided to take. By that logic, we should also shame people who risk drowning by choosing to swim for fun, and end up accidentally drowning

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Anonymous OP 1w

Oh they had disappeared for me for a while on my end lol

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Anonymous OP 1w

I’m ngl that logic makes little sense we have people who don’t even agree with me questioning it 💀

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Anonymous OP 1w

Don’t get me wrong it’s perfectly okay if you don’t want to be pregnant. I just don’t think that someone’s desires should be more important than an innocent humans life. Like I view it as equal to murder, and with murder it doesn’t matter how much the perpetrator wants to do it it’s wrong to do because it still ends with an innocent person dying

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Anonymous OP 1w

Side note on that I know a lot of controversy is around that, but i do believe the laws need to be changed to help protect the unborn because I don’t believe their lives should be as frivolously thrown away like they are now

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Anonymous #2 1w

I don’t care to read this whole thing but along with abortion being wrong I also think it’s wrong for the man to leave after causing pregnancy. I personally think sex should be for marriage only but if a child is born out a wedlock then the man responsible shouldn’t just be able to leave

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Anonymous #7 1w

Maybe don’t have sex with these men and find ones that don’t think this way

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Anonymous OP 1w

Also the difference between swimming and sex is the natural result of sex is a child, whereas the natural result of swimming is not drowning. Drowning is just a risk of swimming you mitigate. While people can frame pregnancy as just a risk of sex, that is its biological function so that’s not a valid comparison

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Anonymous OP 1w

And also I’m not sure how the value of human life still gets mixed up with like bugs lives. Ofc humans are more valuable and human lives should be saved what’s with all this lifeguard exterminator stuff

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Anonymous #2 1w

We’re both entitled to our opinions, if you mistakenly get pregnant and want to keep it that is your choice, I however wouldn’t make the same one. Pregnancy to me is much more than just “creating life”, I would view it as body horror, disgusting, and comparable to rape. It’s a nonconsensual invasion of my body, making changes to it that are possibly irreversible. Not everyone is as okay with the idea of it as you are, and that is why women should be able to choose whether or not to continue

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Anonymous #2 1w

The natural result of sex is not producing children when you have safe sex and take all possible measures to avoid pregnancy. Most people don’t know this, but humans aren’t the only animals who have sex for fun as well as for reproduction. Having sex for pleasure is just as biological as having sex to produce babies

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Anonymous #2 1w

The fact that you only value human lives and not other animal lives is unbelievable to me. But we’ve already learned that we just see the world differently, and that’s ok. I can’t force you to abort just as you can’t force me to birth.

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Anonymous #2 1w

laws that “protect the unborn” harm the born and alive women we already have on the planet

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Anonymous #8 1w

And underage girls… no girl should be forced to endure pregnancy

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Anonymous OP 1w

Thanks for the civil response, that’s much appreciated. I will reiterate, it is perfectly okay if you don’t want to be pregnant, and I recognize that you find the idea repulsive. However, the idea of using any justification no matter how strongly the conviction is held to kill an innocent baby is not morally sound. Taking that action to end that life inside you is a conscious decision you make that is morally wrong in any circumstance unless it is part of an emergency lifesaving procedure.

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Anonymous #2 1w

I’m sorry but a fetus is not a baby. The earlier stages of development are not human yet. Yes it has human DNA but we are not our DNA—we are the expression of it.

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Anonymous #2 1w

Now if oh were talking about the later stages of development, I could agree. But the earlier stages are no different from a tadpole

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Anonymous #2 1w

For me, it would be an emergency lifesaving procedure. I am already horribly mentally ill, and I would not be able to make it through an entire pregnancy, nothing will change that. Knowing that my life would end if I were forced to endure pregnancy, would you still shame me for trying to protect the life I have already built? Would you shame a fully sentient, conscious, person in emotional and physical distress for prioritizing their health over a fetus?

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Anonymous #6 1w

There needs to be a defined line, there is no such thing as “maybe a valuable life”. Also please link where you got that stat because it’s wrong. The vast majority of all abortions are elective including later ones after the first trimester. And also fetuses develop “human features” and small organs much earlier than most people think, although judging someone’s worth over their features has never ended well in history so I wouldn’t try starting now

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Anonymous OP 1w

I also appreciate that you are being civil with me, but I don’t think you understand how serious of an issue the concept of pregnancy is to me, or to other people like me. For many, it is a lifesaving procedure.

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Anonymous #2 1w

There just isn’t a defined line. That’s the uncomfortable reality. Best we can do is give everyone access to sex ed and birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancies, keep girls safe from rape, and provide abortions as early as possible so we’re not killing more well-developed fetuses

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Anonymous OP 1w

Obviously you couldn’t force me to kill anybody. But I think the law should prevent people from killing their unborn children. And yes some animals have sex for fun but children is still the biological outcome of it.

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Anonymous OP 1w

not only this but pregnancy in general is TOLLING, hormone changes, body aches, nausea, the mental toll. u r quite literally sacrificing ur being for 9 months. And on top of that birth is even crazier. it can be traumatizing. it can leave the mothers w post partum depression or other mental ailments bc of the intensity of it all. Just for the baby to be put into the foster system which is quite frankly a horrible exploitative system. Abortion not only protects the mothers physical and mental-

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Anonymous #8 1w

wellbeing (and even possibly her own life), but also protects children from ending up in abusive systems without families.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Honestly your second comment doesn’t make sense animal lives don’t have the potential for consciousness.

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Anonymous #2 1w

I was going to respond to you but if you genuinely believe animals are just sacks of flesh that don’t think or feel anything, I think I’m done.

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Anonymous #8 1w

All of this exactly. I’ve known people who were the product of rape of young/underage mothers, stuck in foster care, and it’s rough. So much suffering in many cases. Better to prevent two people from being miserable altogether

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Anonymous OP 1w

How did animals even get into this lol what do they have to do with abortion

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Anonymous OP 1w

And ofc animals are living and feel but they aren’t conscious or have the same worth as humans that’s why it’s okay to eat them

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Anonymous OP 1w

I’m currently watching Barbie nutcracker anyway tho I have better uses of my attention

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Anonymous #8 1w

Not to mention the US has some of the worst death rates for mothers out of the developed countries

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Anonymous #6 1w

Quite right. Cells are the expressions of that DNA tho which me as a proud clump of cells a human with worth and value just like anyone else

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Anonymous OP 1w

Ofc any lifesaving procedure for the mother isn’t an abortion, if your life is in danger any measure is allowed to save your life especially in an emergency. I’m talking about elective abortions where your life isn’t in danger

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Anonymous OP 1w

yes same here!! i know two ppl who were in the foster care system and they usually had more bad than good to say abt it…forcing young girls, girls who were raped, or quite frankly any women to go through and endure not just pregnancy but birth can be life altering and extremely dangerous. People dont realize how dangerous it is to implement laws that control and limit medical access.

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Anonymous #2 1w

You are not an undifferentiated clump of cells

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Anonymous #2 1w

And yes that’s an abortion too.

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Anonymous OP 1w

It’s not up for you to decide whether it’s better off if a person is dead for them or not. Even most people with disabilities, if asks, would say they would rather keep living. If you asked any people who went through foster care most would not say that they would be better off dead.

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Anonymous #6 1w

Neither is a fetus at any stage, learn about the types of cells that develop as pregnant progresses

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Anonymous #2 1w

It’s up for me to decide because the fetus is a part of my body and I’m lucky enough to live in a world with healthcare that is advanced enough to terminate it without causing horrible damage to my body. When abortions aren’t legal, people find other ways to abort, often resulting in the injury or death of the mother as well. This is why safe abortions are needed

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Anonymous #2 1w

You’re shifting the framing of this conversation to assume that the fetus is a person. Killing an already existing person is different from preventing one from developing in the first place. Personally I would rather not exist than go through what the other person described. These people, once they exist as humans, have value, but I personally would rather not experience that

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Anonymous #6 1w

If you want to call it that arguing semantics is boring. But an action to save the mothers life in an emergency is extremely different that thinking “I don’t want this fetus” and killing it because you want to

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Anonymous OP 1w

Again, if I were to become pregnant on accident, either through consensual sex or rape, an abortion would save my life.

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Anonymous #2 1w

You are fully differentiated. A fetus is in a weird in-between state

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Anonymous #2 1w

You are already arguing semantics to justify policies that would force girls to give birth to their rapists’ babies

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Anonymous OP 1w

No it’s in your body but not a part of it. Also not true when safe abortion isn’t available most women just don’t get it.

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Anonymous #6 1w

A fetus is a person but feel free to argue it isn’t I’m all ears

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Anonymous OP 1w

If your health is in danger and an emergency procedure is needed to save your life than any measure is allowed. Otherwise it’s elective

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Anonymous #6 1w

I’m arguing biology with a side of semantics ;)

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Anonymous #6 1w

These people don’t care about women having things done to them that they don’t want, clearly

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Anonymous OP 1w

On the contrary I care a lot about women, it just also including the unborn ones unlike some others

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Anonymous OP 1w

if you were consenting to the sexual act without protection you were inherently consenting to getting pregnant if you never want kids get a hysterectomy or use protection as simple as that.

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Anonymous OP 1w

that’s why you’re able to legally hold the male accountable for you getting pregnant… child support

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Anonymous #2 1w

Is it that controversial to be more selective?

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Anonymous #10 1w

I use protection and contraceptives so clearly I’m not consenting to the idea of being pregnant. But I think even people who don’t and end up with a pregnancy deserve a way out of it, since we have the technology to do so now.

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Anonymous #2 1w

Ur arguing with the air bro sybau

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Anonymous OP 1w

Why is someone getting an abortion a horrible thing? I thought it was just a clump of cells???

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Anonymous #1 1w

rape? incest? failed birth control? how disgustingly ignorant

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