Anonymous #2 15w

More like beauty standards

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Anonymous #5 15w

They’re not saying that women can’t be tall. Height is specifically hailed by many men to be a desirable trait when it comes to attractiveness, and is also a specific trait sought after by many women when determining superficial attractiveness. This is primarily for men’s height, and not women’s height (in FACT some men are insecure about being shorter than their partners).

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Anonymous #7 15w

Losing weight is not gender affirming care, that’s just plain old healthcare. Like no one should be 600lbs that’s not healthy.

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Anonymous #1 15w

Valid, but then what’s the equivalent for women? Also what about tall women are they just men?

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Anonymous #7 15w

No idiot

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Anonymous #7 15w

To me the equivalent of height for men is boob for women, women all have them but not all of them are great so maybe need a boob job.

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Anonymous #1 15w

Okay okay totally valid

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Anonymous #1 15w

Height isn’t sexualized unless you’re pedophilic. Western culture sexualizes breasts, however. Which leads to much greater societal and human suffering and impact than just a few men getting their feelings hurt over a height comment.

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Anonymous #6 15w

So are you saying women on dating apps are pedophilic? They absolutely sexualize height on those apps that’s why they have height sliders so it wont show people of certain height that they are sexually interested in

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Anonymous #7 15w

Arent*

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Yeah as a 6’4 guy that’s the one thing I’ve been sexualized for most (by both men and women but especially women) and it’s not even remotely close. You’ve ALL lost the plot tho

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Anonymous #6 15w

#6 shut up lol, height is absolutely sexualized the whole point is for better genes and reproducing.

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Anonymous #10 15w

Nope. No social implications for you. For instance, dress codes :)

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Anonymous #1 15w

lol males wanna be oppressed so bad😂

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Anonymous #6 15w

As a male I’ve been dress coded at school so whatever lol

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Anonymous #7 15w

Me too

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Anonymous #6 15w

GIRL BYEEEE

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Anonymous #6 15w

Who the fuck you calling a dude dick, I’m a woman and also yeah I know what it’s like to dress coded. As a woman, some of you bitches are fucking annoying not everything needs comparisons. Like holy fuck.

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Anonymous #1 15w

#1 you’re real asf I love you, (but not in a weird way lmao)

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Anonymous #7 15w

🫶

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Anonymous #6 15w

I never said I faced discrimination for it or that it was even inherently harmful, I literally just said that I get sexualized for my height. If you read what I actually wrote you’ll see I didn’t even so much as complain about it either, I was purely stating an objective fact

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Anonymous #4 15w

No way you just said working out is gender affirming care

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Anonymous #11 15w

I did, because it can be.

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Anonymous #4 15w

I mean yeah, but that’s a stretch

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Anonymous #9 15w

The point is I don’t see how height increase could be considered gender affirming care. What men think is attractive to women isn’t really based in gender. Like if I dye my hair black because more women like brunettes, that wouldn’t be gac. I guess facial hair supporting products would be gac but women can still grow that.

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Anonymous OP 15w

Not really. When it comes to bodybuilding, or working to get a specific figure, that can be labelled GAC.

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Anonymous #5 15w

It is, when men care about it so much. It’s affirming their gender

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Anonymous #4 15w

That is a bit of a stretch. I don’t think taking care of yourself would really qualify in that sense

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Anonymous #4 15w

I disagree. Tons of the things you mentioned have nothing to do with gender. Looking fit and muscular is popular for both genders. Having a fashion sense that aligns with personality is also not gender specific. Etc etc

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Anonymous #11 15w

Taking care of yourself is different than trying to build a specific body type. When it’s aimed at building a look and presentation, that’s when it’s GAC.

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Anonymous #5 15w

Cool, they all play into how people present their gender and feel comfortable in their expression and that then ties into GAC. It’s not always medical.

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Anonymous #4 15w

There’s no real reason any specific output or hairstyle should be associated with any gender. It’s all just environmental. Like men can have long hair and still be straight and cis. Women can have short hair and be the same. I get how you think scents, clothes, and hairstyles are gendered, but none of that is inherent to the expression or body type associated with gender

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Anonymous OP 15w

Is women getting a height increase non affirmative of their gender? Correlation not causation. Men wanting to be taller to attract women is not a result of them being men. What about lesbians who like tall girls, and women who want to look tall to attract them? Is wearing heals gac?

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Anonymous #5 15w

Most things can be androgynous, but they all are also aspects of people’s gender and expressions.

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Anonymous #4 15w

Well then your definition of gender is nebulous and meaningless. And therefore doesn’t really exist. There is no inherent masculine or feminine. They are just ideas based on fads. Things that affirm one’s desired sex however are real, and that’s what I’m referring to. Ie things that support your desired biology. Clothes, haircuts, etc do not impact one’s biology and shouldn’t be considered gac

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Anonymous #4 15w

Not really? I wouldn’t say that body building for competitive reasons is gender affirming care. The best argument I could offer for your stand point is intent. I personally wouldn’t say classify GAC as anything done artificially to align yourself outwardly with one sex or the other.

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Anonymous #4 15w

“Gender affirming care” refers specifically to the healthcare aspect. Clothing, hair, and working out are things that can affirm your gender identity. But they aren’t the same thing as gender affirming care

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Anonymous #12 15w

Right

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Anonymous #12 15w

Is it self care? Yes. Does it affirm your gender identity and presentation? Yes. It’s GAC. It’s not limited just to medical care. It’s anything psychological, behavioural, social, and/or medical.

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Anonymous #4 15w

Can we all just be friends? 😙

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Anonymous #10 15w

How?

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Anonymous #2 15w

Not when multiple of us (rightfully) believe they’re wrong

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Anonymous #11 15w

They got those trucks because it makes them feel manly. By definition, ANYTHING you do to make yourself look or feel more masculine (or feminine) is gender affirming care

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Anonymous #10 15w

What definition are you using? Every definition I’ve read doesn’t support that statement.

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Anonymous #11 15w

The one about GAC and from Trans people.

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Anonymous #2 15w

When people stop trying to deny how expansive GAC is.

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Anonymous #4 15w

I mean I guess you could throw it under social? Idk it kinda feels like pushing a round peg into an oval hole to me. Like sure it’ll fit but you kinda have to force it.

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Anonymous #4 15w

It really isn’t as expansive as you’re making it out to be

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Anonymous #4 15w

The way I see it, healthcare is one of many gender affirming tools. Hairstyling and clothing are a few more. I wouldn’t define every one of these tools as being “gender affirming care,” but it’s really just semantics ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Anonymous #12 15w

Devil’s in the details

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Anonymous #11 15w

It really is when it’s used for one’s identity and presentation.

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Anonymous #11 15w

If it affirms your gender then it’s gender affirming care. It can be self-care or care provided by another person, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s still GAC

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Anonymous #11 15w

It’s gender affirming care in the same way that anything with wheels that you ride on is a vehicle. The definition just happens to be super broad

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Anonymous #6 15w

Isn’t it more manly to just go bald? Like bcs of the testosterone

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Anonymous #1 15w

Ohh just realized this wasn’t my college’s discourse LMAO. I was wondering why everyone here was acting like malecentric little bootlickers lol. Yet the result of another reason why education should be free.

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Anonymous #7 15w

Good, your kind need to be dress coded more.

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Anonymous #6 15w

I hope you never get over your deep rooted feeling of being oppressed by men you genuinely deserve it ngl

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Anonymous #6 15w

👀 who is malecentric her, all the points I made were to all individuals and all I stated was facts. You being weird, miserable and sad is your business and to each their own 🤷🏽‍♀️ but I stand on mine shut the fuck up and go away

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Anonymous #6 15w

femcel spotting

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Anonymous #11 15w

Why does it upset you? Maybe you engage in gender affirming care. So what. Gender is a thing, and like aligning it with internal sense of self feels good.

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Anonymous #10 15w

What about lesbians with modded Miata’s? I don’t think liking cars is a masculine thing lol. Y’all just have patriarchal ideas of the world (ie women can’t or don’t work on cars)

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Anonymous #5 15w

Women can like cars too but liking cars is probably the one thing that “manly men” use as gender affirming care more than anything else 💀💀💀 Like, a dude can wear a waist trainer too, doesn’t mean it’s not still trying to be more feminine. Also, key word being LESBIANS. Not to stereotype but more than plenty lesbians tend to be (and try to appear) more masculine than the average cishet man

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Anonymous #10 15w

“Liking cars is gender affirming care” is such an absurd statement

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Anonymous #10 15w

So we just not allowed to have interests now?

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Anonymous #2 15w

You probably shouldn’t be doing that it doesn’t sound sanitary, you could get an ear infection

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Anonymous #14 15w

Oh I’ll be juuuuust fine 😙 but thanks!

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Anonymous #2 15w

Aren’t there any lifeguards around in case you drown?

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Anonymous #14 15w

I’m lifeguard certified 😊

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Anonymous #12 15w

Fr, gender isn’t about what you like or what you do, it’s about how you feel. I thought we’d be past this conversation but ig not

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Anonymous #12 15w

Liking cars isn’t gender affirming care. Liking cars because you like how they make you feel more masculine IS gender affirming care. Y’all have just been so conditioned by the media to instantly think GAC=bad that you’re rejecting objective facts to avoid aligning yourself with it

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Anonymous #14 15w

It has to be wet for him to drown 😎😎😎

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Anonymous #10 15w

I’m not against gender affirming care and I don’t think it’s bad by any means! I just think you’re using the term too liberally

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Anonymous #12 15w

And I’m saying that the term IS that liberal, you only want to believe otherwise because media created by people who oppose it vilifies it in every possible context because they have opposing goals. It’s like spirituality, there’s varying levels of it. Sometimes it’s super obvious and heavy-handed like religion, other times it’s a lot more subtle like superstition. GAC doesn’t have to be as intense as surgery or anything like that, by definition it can be as simple as growing a mustache

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Anonymous #12 15w

Doing ANYTHING to align yourself more with a particular gender is GAC. That’s how it works by definition. If you disagree then I’d like to see how you suggest we define it instead

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Anonymous #10 15w

Why would you need to do anything to align yourself more with a particular gender? You can just align yourself with it, and if someone else disagrees, they’d just be wrong.

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Anonymous #4 15w

“Scents, working out, clothing, hairstyles”? Tf is that gac? Solo of those are just things that EVERY human should take pride in! Or are you saying scents and working out etc are gender specific?

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Anonymous #10 15w

Good point, I guess he’ll be fine then

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Anonymous #14 15w

That is true. Identifying as a certain gender isn’t inherently GAC, and nobody NEEDS to take it any further than that (or even that far tbh). However, IF someone chooses to take it further and does something else to reaffirm themselves as their chosen gender, then it becomes gender affirming care. For example: Self-identified man buying tools: Not GAC. The same man buying the same tools to feel/look more like a man (even if that’s only part of the reason for buying): Yes GAC

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Anonymous #10 15w

This is a sensible position. Therefore, no action can be reasonably observed to be “gender affirming care” unless the intent behind the action is made known and lines up with that definition.

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Anonymous #5 14w

The point is that their (cis men’s) individual intentions is to either appear more sexually attractive to women, or to affirm their own insecurities that are based on gendered norms. This is by definition GAC. GAC is ultimately tautological, what you do is GAC because it’s GAC, it’s self justifying. What defines GAC is different for everyone- but you can answer that by asking, does what this person do stem from wanting to feel more like a man/woman? If so, it’s GAC.

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Anonymous #17 14w

It’s very situational and depends entirely on the context and reason why. None of those things are inherently GAC on their own, it depends HOW you go about doing it that determines whether or not it’s GAC

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Anonymous #14 14w

Exactlyyyyy, now you’re getting it, except the intent doesn’t even necessarily have to be made known for it to still qualify as GAC

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Anonymous #14 14w

I’m more gonna blame beauty standards on this one

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