Anonymous #3 11w

I ask it in good faith

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Anonymous #4 11w

So you like ice? 🤨

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Anonymous #2 11w

Good answer

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Anonymous #10 11w

It’s a problem everywhere!

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Anonymous OP 11w

I don’t think your actively asking in good faith with this response

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Anonymous #5 11w

My mom used to work for them and the stories she brought home weren’t pretty, like, maybe I’m not hungry for dinner anymore not pretty. There’s a lot of immigrants and some of them do some fucked up things and need to be deported, human trafficking, rape, murder, all of the above involving children, its an individual basis, not an entire minority that does these things, but not everyone who works for ice does the masked bullshit that this horrible administration is (partially) responsible for.

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Anonymous #5 11w

*Small percentage not some

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Anonymous #13 11w

Everyone who works for ice is complicit in the “masked bullshit” and a system that sends people to concentration camps. Idrc if your mom isn’t personally beating and raping immigrants tbh, she’s facilitating fascism by contributing to the functioning of a rogue agency that breaks domestic and international law on a daily basis

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Anonymous #7 11w

That’s why I said the administration is partially responsible, also she works for uscis, not ice, reread the first sentence

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Anonymous #12 11w

Fr, OP dropped an obvious bait post and I tried to be the voice of reason. 🤷‍♀️

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Anonymous #13 11w

Complicit is the word here. Not responsible but complicit

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Anonymous OP 11w

The word I read was “works” when I wrote “worked”

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Anonymous #13 11w

I read just fine, the first sentence says “them,” in reference to a comment and pst about ice. And my point still stands. The Gestapo who filled out paperwork were still part of the Gestapo.

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Anonymous OP 11w

I’m not arguing that the people who didn’t leave when asked to do complete bullshit aren’t complicit

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Anonymous #7 11w

I’m not completely in the loop, but did it happen in every state? Each state has their own office

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Anonymous #13 11w

It was always terrible and never should have existed in the first place.

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Anonymous OP 11w

Ice?

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Anonymous #13 11w

Fair enough, but that also directly contradicts your defense of people who still work for ice at the end of your comment. There’s other agencies where the “not everyone” thing can hold up but ICE specifically is a de facto secret police force. Idc what capacity it is, if you work for them you are complicit in human rights violations

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Anonymous #13 11w

That’s the topic title, yes

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Anonymous OP 11w

It is important to make sure the US has a correct census, we can’t let people go around on accounted for that leads to a slurry of other problems. It’s just it’s not being gone about the right way at all

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Anonymous #5 11w

Confused where the census is coming in??? /gen.

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Anonymous #7 11w

Yeah I have no idea what they’re saying

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Anonymous #7 11w

Just had to check my facts real quick, there is significant disparity in the amount of ERO plainclothes raids on non-criminal targets in different states, my mom was the field office director for USCIS (they grant (citizenship) for my state and in those positions, where you report to people who report to people who report to the president you can only dig your heels in so much before chain of command brings in someone who won’t.

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Anonymous OP 11w

I can tell

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Anonymous OP 11w

But don’t group us together

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Anonymous OP 11w

Look I really don’t like what some ice agents are doing in some states, I also really don’t like generalizations, but at the end of the day I do like arguing, so we can keep going back and forth like this, but I probably won’t feel bad or learn something here

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Anonymous #7 11w

You haven’t heard of the census before?

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Anonymous #13 11w

Sorry, *not just ICE agents, there’s definitely more people who are happy to admin situations that enable horrible things in certain states, I meant some people within ICE

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Anonymous #5 11w

The census is important, but good data doesn’t require unlawful removal of people with visas or a political stance the administration doesn’t agree with. On the other hand, HSI has a specific job that DEA and FBI don’t. Transnational crime requires specific training and authority, and leverage for informants can center around immigration law.

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Anonymous #13 11w

I wasn’t talking about people with visas or political stances the administration doesn’t like

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Anonymous #5 11w

You weren’t, but if it were a scale, that doesn’t really outweigh much. You can probably extrapolate data somewhat accurately for most use cases of census data that are important. It just feels somewhat arbitrary in the face of what ICE has been doing in some states. I’m not super supportive of non-criminal deportations, but if something were to change my mind it wouldn’t be the census.

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Anonymous #5 11w

I know what the census is, it’s just the comment about it was a complete nonsequiter. Generally trying to understand the point you were making

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