Anonymous OP 5d

Also could possibly be the constant reminders that everyone hates you and thinks your life is a joke and people laughing at your suicide rates

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 5d

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/KJztjLzu82w

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Anonymous twirling_tornado 5d

Yeah no that’s not true. The most a 13 year old would get is puberty blockers. It’s illegal to do any sort of surgery like that until at least 18. That’s just bullshit.

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 5d

THOUSANDS of minors have gotten gender reassignment surgeries. why are you lying? and ignoring the testimonies of kids whose lives were ruined by it?

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Anonymous twirling_tornado 5d

As in top surgeries** etc

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Anonymous twirling_tornado 5d

Your response to actual evidence is a YouTube video. Think about that

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Anonymous twirling_tornado 5d

There are absolutely ZERO cases of minors getting gender reassignment surgery. Please give the evidence and not a conspiracy YouTube video, you do know YouTube isnt a credible source right?

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Anonymous #12 5d

There are thousands of cases of minors getting top surgeries. The “conspiracy YouTube video” is literally her giving a testimony after suing the doctors and hospital who did that to her.

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Anonymous #12 5d

Why don’t you do a simple google search? Around 5,000 to 6,000 girls underwent “gender affirming” double mastectomies in the US from 2017 to 2023, according to the Manhattan Institute, and at least 50 of those patients were younger than 12-and-a-half years old.

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Anonymous twirling_tornado 5d

Also see: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9555285/

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Anonymous twirling_tornado 5d

Still waiting to see the thousands of kids who had their lives ruined. Oh, wait… we’ll be waiting. And waiting. And waiting. Just admit you’re transphobic and an ignorant POS. It’s much simpler than embarrassing yourself.

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Anonymous #3 5d

Why don’t you take a look at that YouTube video to hear her testimony about how it ruined her life and why she now advocates against top surgeries etc for minors? And why she sued the doctors and hospitals who did it? I can post LOTS more testimonies of kids whose lives were ruined by this exact same thing too. It’s not just her. You just don’t care about the kids, only your stupid agenda

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Anonymous twirling_tornado 5d

Maybe you should listen to the 99.9% of people who have had quality of life improvements. 😊

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Those studies were done about full grown ADULTS. Not CHILDREN. Second of all it is nowhere close to that high of a percentage. Third of all, survivorship bias.

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Anonymous twirling_tornado 5d

Thousands of cases you say. So show us some actual proof. Not videos but actual statistical evidence. Just admit you’ve been swayed by conspiracy theories.

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…disgusting predatory agenda? what? do you not think we advocate for GAC because it’s what saves lives? I’m sorry, but you showed a single anecdote as proof while mentioning that thousands received this care. the regret rate is, in fact, less than 1% even when there isn’t an entire team of doctors and the parents there. GAC isnt predatory, and I’m lost as to why you would ever think that.

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 5d

i’ve posted multiple links in this chat multiple times. minors ARE getting top surgery. this is NOT a conspiracy theory.

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Anonymous twirling_tornado 5d

again, those surgeries only happen as a last resort and, even then, only after multiple stages of informed consent by parents, child, and an entire team of professionals. you’re acting as if these surgeries are inherently wrong when they’re saving lives.

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Anonymous OP 5d

just wanted to put here that this is extremely wrong. In the case of mastectomies being done on kids. That’s what the statistics I posted here were for.

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Anonymous twirling_tornado 5d

I appreciate you keeping the facts right, even if I vehemently disagree with you on whether or not GAC is necessary care. top surgery is, in fact, performed on minors under an extensive set of circumstances.

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Anonymous OP 5d

I simply don’t think a child should ever be allowed to have a permanent surgery, hormones, etc that will impact them the rest of their life. We have age limits on things like entering a legally binding contract, getting a tattoo, voting, driving a car, flying a plane, buying alcohol, etc. Those age limits are there to try to help protect the kids. Kids are very impressionable and usually agree with their parents and what they see on social media and at school.

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Anonymous twirling_tornado 5d

If a kid has gender dysphoria, the very first thing that should happen is checking for other mental diagnoses and past trauma and treat those first and that is not what happens. those are the type of kids who going to either get worse because the root cause is still untreated and/or detransition later

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Anonymous twirling_tornado 5d

Or the first thing that should happen is you let them cut their hair, or wear appropriate clothes they want, and get a trans positive therapist

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Anonymous twirling_tornado 5d

I would agree if the numbers supported it, but this does not happen for over 99% of the children getting these surgeries. additionally, dysphoria is often the root cause of other mental illnesses, which is why it must be addressed before others can be treated. I have treatment-resistant depression, and it was resistant because it was induced by dysphoria.

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Anonymous twirling_tornado 5d

But right now everyone is so quick to “affirm” and put them on hormone therapy instead of trying to see what is really the root cause of what’s going on with these kids and why they are thinking the way that they do (as impressionable children). It doesn’t take much effort to get put on hormone therapy and the effects are lifelong if you take it for years. Then it snowballs and they get top surgery etc while not fully understanding it or themselves. Kids are not mature. They can’t understand yet

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Anonymous #12 5d

there’s nothing wrong with kids cutting their hair or wearing different clothes etc. you can be a feminine man or a masculine woman. thats entirely different from deciding you’re a whole different gender

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Anonymous twirling_tornado 5d

again, I would agree if the numbers supported it. this narrative simply isn’t happening. I’m not sure why the testimonies of <30 override the saved thousands.

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Anonymous OP 5d

what studies were done on children getting those surgeries? of course dysphoria can lead to other mental illnesses but oftentimes they did have trauma before anything else and that is the real root cause

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Anonymous twirling_tornado 5d

You clearly do not see that gender identity isn’t just surgery, it’s cutting hair, trying different clothes. Like why are you so scared of using one different pronoun to someone else cause they want to try it? The worst that could happen is they realize it isn’t for them and they feel MORE COMFORTABLE in their own body. Furthermore, i stated that gender reassignment surgery isn’t happening in children, because it isn’t.

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Anonymous #12 5d

Top surgery isn’t gender reassignment, and to get top surgery theres minimum MONTHS of therapy and requirements that anyone ha to go through

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Anonymous twirling_tornado 5d

do you have a source for trauma being the root cause of dysphoria?

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Anonymous twirling_tornado 5d

from the government info site from earlier. I suggest you read it, it’s rather informative! here’s another excerpt from it. note that those who changed gender identities may have shifted to/from a non-binary identity, which is why this doesn’t conflict with the detransitioner statistic.

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Anonymous #12 5d

i never said anything about any of these things so idk why ur bringing them up, additionally i corrected my statement of gender reassignment to say top surgery before you even commented so not sure why ur randomly bringing that up either

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Anonymous #13 5d

However since some people have resorted to swearing and name calling just want remind everyone that nobody hates anybody here as far as I can see. We all just want to protect and care for all children and give them the SUPPORT and CARE they need while keeping them SAFE.

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Anonymous OP 5d

here is a study in which over 1,300 trans-believing youth were compared with age-matched peers using clinical data gathered from three large pediatric practices in California and Georgia, and they found overwhelming evidence that mental illness is present before the onset of transgender belief https://www.academia.edu/71876053/Mental_Health_of_Transgender_and_Gender_Nonconforming_Youth_Compared_With_Their_Peers

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Anonymous twirling_tornado 5d

still think you should read the government site I posted :) iirc it also explains how dysphoria can be present early on and before other mental illnesses yet not diagnosed until later due to limitations in diagnosis.

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Anonymous OP 5d

the government info site from earlier was only about 200 kids, which is not very many to go off of

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Anonymous OP 5d

even if it was or wasn’t, why would you not check to make sure before you try to permanently change a kid’s body

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Anonymous twirling_tornado 5d

that was a single study reference in the government website! they mention other studies as well. most importantly, they explain many of the caveats of GAC which likely answers lots of your questions. I’m done for the night, but I’d like to hear your thoughts after reading it :)

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Anonymous #12 5d

Besides bottom surgery still does happen to kids sometimes. Yes in rare cases. but it HAS happened. Kim Petras for example

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Anonymous twirling_tornado 5d

they do check! standard procedure is to have a large team of professionals who go through an extensive process before even considering gender-affirming surgery. at least one of those will be a mental health professional, as I’ve mentioned before :)

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Anonymous #13 5d

I’ll probably get downvotes for this but I’ll give my honest opinion. Right now from what I know about hormone therapies in general they all carry serious risks and I do not believe I can support children getting them before they are mature enough to understand and weigh those risks themselves. I believe every trans kid deserves LOVE and SUPPORT, and I believe that they should be cared for in ways that don’t involve such drastic medical interventions with the potential for such negative effects.

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Anonymous #13 5d

No it’s more one side wants to force them into a box and is okay with the suicide rates that come from it, while the other side is okay with expression and completely reversible healthcare

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unfortunately, there are many situations in which mental illnesses caused by dysphoria is treatment-resistant. this is why many trans children receive GAC, because contemporary treatments are bandages at best. there are not many known long-term effects, yes; however, there is a well-known short-term effect of not receiving GAC: increased risk of suicide. I’d rather let these kids see the potential side effects of GAC rather than let them die, which imo is the worst outcome.

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Anonymous OP 5d

First of all thanks for responding in a conversational way :) I mean I believe there r few monsters in the world who actually believe anybody wants children to die, it’s just that they have different ideas on what that looks like. We are learning about the long term effects of hormone therapies as time goes on and the list of risks is huge. Hormones are so fundamental to the human biological system and we still barely know how to work with them safely.

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Anonymous #13 5d

To prevent children from trans healthcare is being okay with their suicides.

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Anonymous OP 5d

I just don’t think kids should be allowed to have this surgery before they can understand the risks. However, I am devastated by the suicide and mental illness associated with trans children and I want them to receive the best care they can. That is a huge problem and needs to be addressed.

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Anonymous #13 5d

I also agree, which is why there are 0 cases of gender reassignment surgeries. The main solution for preventing depression and suicide is trans healthcare, which you clearly don’t know if you think it’s just surgery

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Anonymous #13 5d

Surgeries or hormone therapy I should say. I think children should not be presented with these options until they are old enough to make the decision for themselves. So many other things in our society have age requirements and treatments differ for children and adults all the time so i dont understand how that same principle wouldnt apply here.

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Anonymous #12 5d

And also I almost forgot it is not reversible especially when it is done to children. They can put them on hormone therapy that has other effects but the risks and the development of the children are permanently altered. Also, I’m sure you want what’s best for the trans children as well but i have a hard time reducing hormone therapy to expression could you maybe elaborate on that?

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Anonymous #12 5d

Correction I’m talking about hormone therapy and surgery, but both affect hormones significantly which has the risks I am explaining.

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Anonymous #12 5d

And I know it’s difficult to not just give statements but I’m explaining that I am for trans healthcare, just not the risky and dangerous procedures that even children are being subjected to when they are not mature enough to understand what is happening or what the dangers are.

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Anonymous twirling_tornado 5d

There is not a single reported case of bottom surgery in minors in the United States. Kim Petra’s was also after years of psychological testing, and in Germany

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Anonymous twirling_tornado 5d

in the article YOU just provided, the regret rate of the surgery was 0.95%. do i need to tell you what the regret rate for knee surgery is?

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Anonymous #16 4d

Most of us (trans people) do not, will not, and have not regretted anything we’ve done. Supporting trans kids doesn’t necessarily mean I support them getting gender reassignment surgery anyways. It’s literally just supporting them on their new journey in life besides surgeries. Like using their preferred pronouns, preferred name, clothes, haircut, etc.

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Anonymous #16 4d

It’s so hard for Trans adults to get on hormones anyways, it’s even harder for trans kids. Idk man, ts just pissed me off. 🤦🏻‍♂️

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Anonymous #15 4d

source?

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Anonymous twirling_tornado 4d

Most bottom surgeries are given to the young children with intersex conditions to make them look either male or female from the outside. But I didn’t see you mention that

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Anonymous #17 4d

And we still have many unnecessary and abusive circumcisions for many kids as well that are completely overlooked on top of that.

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Anonymous #17 4d

THIS- and usually those surgeries on intersex people are done when they’re babies, so they don’t even get a choice. most doctors are moving away from that now i think

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Anonymous #15 4d

Source?

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Anonymous #3 4d

Ben Shapiro told me so. I’m not doing homework for you. If you want to find the source go look yourself

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Anonymous #15 4d

So your source is an uncredible piece of shit asshole?

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Anonymous #15 4d

Who has been caught dozens of times telling lies out of his ass

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Anonymous #15 4d

Okay well can you give me an actual source that’s not a right wing influencer? I don’t actually want to find shit, you brought it up, you have the burden of proof

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Anonymous #15 4d

…you’re going to believe the words of someone who’s job is to convince you without fact-checking anything he says? I’ve seen multiple renowned sources disagree with you, and not a one agreed. the burden of evidence is on you.

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Anonymous #19 4d

The very few who are not your political fucking pawns who deserve love and support and do not negate the 99%+ of positive transitions, you mean?

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Anonymous OP 3d

hi chat! Twirling_Tornado reposted the same bullshit after she was disproven, then said this. she is a vile person and doesn't deserve to have an opinion on trans children when she openly admits to not caring about them, only her delusions.

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