Anonymous #1 14h

especially if the ‘alternative’ to not wearing something is burning in hell forever. not much of a choice then :/

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Anonymous #1 14h

Attributing the word of God to man is the first biased misconception. God gives us guidance, whether we follow it is up to us, there is guidance for men in how to cover as well, in fact traditional Islamicate societies see men cover up quite a bit too

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Anonymous #2 14h

You seem to want a wrathful totalitarian conception of God that simply does not exist, at least not in the Islamic paradigm. To place limits on God, His mercy, is to declare yourself greater than God

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Anonymous #3 14h

I mean dawg I don’t believe in any form of organized religion all those books were written by men for men fr

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Anonymous #1 14h

You’re free to think that if you’d like, you’d be wrong in the case of the Quran, but again your own choice

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Anonymous #3 13h

ohh i was talking about the social pressure from men. idc what another man wrote

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Anonymous #2 13h

Gotcha, I was moreso addressing the idea that you go to hell for “not wearing something” bc God is pretty chill in Islam, the guidance is for our own benefit. It’s a big sin to claim somebody is going to hell in Islam bc that’s not something humans get to decide, so that’s why I gave the example of the prostitute who’d go to heaven as an example of someone who ppl would think might go to hell but God having other plans

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Anonymous #3 13h

again idc what a man had to say. at the end of the day it’s still a man choosing which women are good enough for heaven and which aren’t

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Anonymous #2 13h

Ig we just have very diff views of what God is then, I don’t believe God has a gender personally, I think God is existence itself

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Anonymous #3 13h

the fact you think i’m talking about god and not the human man that actually wrote it down and decided which women are worthy and which aren’t is crazy

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Anonymous #2 12h

Well ik God and His word exist/are true. Ig you don’t believe in that, so it isn’t too crazy for you to then hold that view then imo. I don’t think ppl can be compelled into religion

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Anonymous #3 12h

if you don’t think god is a man why do you use he/him

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Anonymous #2 12h

It’s just an English grammatical limitation and cultural affect, it’d be weird and disrespectful to call God an it imo. Islam repeatedly clarifies God is not human and beyond our limited conceptions all the time

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Anonymous #3 12h

why not she/her? the options aren’t just he/him or it lol. if god isn’t human why use pronouns at all?

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Anonymous #2 12h

This gets into philosophy and nature of language itself lol. Revelation and thoughts themselves are language dependent. God does reveal aspects of Himself through experience though—that can’t really be fully communicated, it’s more the more spiritual/mystical side of Islam that can be reached through self actualisation of revelation and is somewhat ineffable. The Quran wasn’t revealed in English

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Anonymous #2 12h

It was revealed in Arabic, which is a fully gendered language where every noun is grammatically masculine/feminine. There are no gender neutral pronouns like "it" for non-human or abstract entities. In Arabic, the masculine pronoun "Huwa" serves as the default, unmarked gender in Arabic grammar. It is used for males as well as for general or unspecified entities that have no physical sex

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Anonymous #2 12h

Translators use "He" because using "it" would imply an inanimate object, which is viewed as disrespectful to the Creator. Using "they" is also avoided to prevent any misunderstanding of plurality, which would contradict the core Islamic belief in the absolute oneness of God. God repeatedly says He is transcendent and free from any human attributes, including physical form or gender. This when knowing the pronoun is indicating unknown makes it pretty clear to the reader. God didn’t turn into a

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Anonymous #2 12h

Human man as Jesus peace be upon him either so there’s no human masculine association at all as there would be in Christianity for example. God being wholly beyond such categories and being independently one is pretty much the main message

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Anonymous #3 12h

do you really think it’s a coincidence everything just defaults to being referred to as a man? really?

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Anonymous #3 12h

and yet despite being beyond those categories god still falls into them

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Anonymous #2 12h

? No, He doesn’t, you can put Him into those categories if you want, but you would be wrong to do so. Language itself is a limiter if you make it one, not the actual essence of God. When you read poetry I’m assuming hou don’t just read it like a textbook, there’s deeper actual meaning behind the words we speak. I just tried telling you the actual meaning which is not gendered at all, as repeatedly enunciated by God

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