Anonymous #1 4w

So do yall actually believe in tearing down the patriarchy and that matriarchy would work better/best in society ?

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Anonymous #4 4w

The issue with our society, as a whole lies not among the working class people like us, but at the very top rungs of our way of life. The rich and powerful pit us against each other using idiotic debates like “patriarchy vs matriarchy” or “republican vs democrat”, ect. they create two sides for people to be on when in reality every government and every group have a good and evil, but mainly evil. The world needs a reset

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Anonymous #1 4w

I understand that but in theory. I believe there’s a scenario where there can be a patriarchy that successful respects women fully. Doesn’t mean you have to completely do away with it.

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Anonymous #4 4w

there isn’t a patriarchy to begin with, maybe in the past there was but there definitely isnt now. At least in the United States for example, everyone has the same access and equal rights, protections and opportunities. The only people who have more opportunities are the rich and powerful. That’s why this topic in specific frustrates me because it literally is a nothing burger compared to the larger issue.

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Anonymous #1 4w

There is most definitely still a patriarchy in the United States. Your inability to recognise it as such is an issue. The wealthy remain in power partly due to the patriarchy.

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Anonymous OP 4w

in a patriarchal government woman are purposefully excluded from government, which is not the case. The recent female candidates to have ran have lost because they were terrible candidates, which isn’t saying a lot, because any person who ran in the past 50 years has been a terrible candidate and or bumbling idiot, but still. We live in a class separated, society not in a gender, separated society. We can’t have a patriarchy and matriarchy, even if we wanted to.

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Anonymous #1 4w

Who said anything about it simply being a patriarchal government, or about replacing it with a matriarchy? Patriarchy is a social institution, and is thus perpetuated by social actors.

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Anonymous OP 4w

(resent for spelling) I just assumed you were talking about the government because that's the only point that could be made for patriarchy. more so in a normal societal way. Now, if you go look at backwards countries like places in the Middle East and Africa those are patriarchies. I have to agree because the males run the families, businesses and the governments. But in any other facet of social life, it is completely equal when it comes to gender terms. Other than making a blanket statement

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Anonymous #1 4w

I fear people are becoming dumber and dumber by the ages. Your take is very lackluster in every way. Can you cite evidence from an academic journal, before you make a claim so board and uneducated.

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Anonymous #1 4w

I don’t understand the point you’re trying to make here. Patriarchy is a SOCIAL institution, but in every other facet of SOCIAL life, does it not influence anything?

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Anonymous #3 4w

iv made multiple points which one do you want me to cite? about the rich using benign/non existent societal issues to keep us against each other and stop us from communicating? or about there being no patriarchy

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Anonymous #3 4w

Do you understand policy, how they actually affect minorities within the united states of America?

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Anonymous OP 4w

and i asked you to explain how it what ways if life it is a social institution? like give examples. The point i just made is that, if you live in the first world (i,e, the Us) and not some backwards country, culturally and socially there is absolutely nothing putting man in power over women, you cant even name a point to take from when i asked

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Anonymous #1 4w

Everything you claim. If you try to present an argument you must always have sufficient evidence to back up your claim. Are you still in highschool🧐?

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Anonymous #1 4w

First, you never asked me that. Second, do you want me to define what a social institution is? A social institution is essentially social norms. Women expected to do a disproportionate amount of housework, even when working, is a social norm.

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Anonymous #3 4w

youre a cornball for thinking adding that little condescending ahh jab at the end was gonna do anything😭 theres short a character limit so i cant fully explain but go read what i said in this thread earlier about it being physically impossible for their to be a patriarchy (iv made a couple messages saying things) you cant cite something that is apart of abstract thought so just read what i said, look up what patriarchy means and think for yourself, and fo

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Anonymous #3 4w

for the rich and powerful argument you have to know the geopolitical state of the world. For example the united states, it logically makes no sense to have a 2 party system in place, other than keeping specific people in power. Go look at Israel, where the idf are murking people and terrorists are bringing civilians into it. They want you to pick a side when in reality every group there is in the wrong, (except for the humanitarian workers) Or even the Epstein files splits us, out of space to wr

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yea you are a cornball, this is an informal messaging site twin, i dont care about my grammar here obviously. And i never said i cant cite anything i said you cant cite abstract thought. L ragebait 0/10

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I called you a cornball for speaking condescendingly, you resorted to using ad hominem first so you cant call me out for using it back. That doesnt even make sense. Also if youre all about grammar then you should know you just said “percent” instead of “present” in that post. The fact that you need something that requires basic abstract thought and reasoning proves to me that you have never made a thought for yourself. Not everything had been researched into.

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youre talking to me about proper grammar but still are making grammatical mistakes, im saying with the limit on here i cannot accurately disseminate the information to you, which, if you believe yourself to be so educated on the topic, then you should already have knowledge of the things I just brought up prior about Israel and Republicans versus Democrats, and so on. You can look it up if you truly want to know that bad, obviously, there’s not going to be something stating verbatim abt the gvt

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Anonymous #7 4w

yeah thats what i thought, you know nothing about society or world politics

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Anonymous #3 4w

I’m saying look it up because most of this information is common knowledge, the only thing separating the average person from knowing it is thinking about it

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Anonymous #3 4w

obviously, I couldn’t put the most credible sources here with only one .org but considering again, all of this information should be common knowledge I didn’t think I would have to be citing it

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which, by the way, if something is considered to be common knowledge in which is already prior know, you don’t have to stay on a research, paper or essay

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I already told you in a different comment that I am a psych major

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Anonymous #3 4w

Men don’t even have bodily autonomy until circumcision is outlawed for men the same way it was outlawed for women in 1996

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Anonymous #1 4w

I’m also a psych major, I am very much aware of bodily autonomy issues effecting men and women separately. Our society is messed up. It’s not just women being oppressed. It’s everyone in the working class.

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Anonymous #10 4w

wah wah circumcision boo hoo, women are being forced to have kids without their consent…

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Anonymous #10 4w

I don’t agree with circumcision but genuinely like in comparison…. Just be quiet

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Anonymous #12 4w

maybe keep the legs closed

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Anonymous #16 4w

maybe stop raping us

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Anonymous #16 4w

i’ll actually expand further, there is a difference between non consent and consensual sex. obviously. if you’re raped, yeah, i support abortions. but if you’re fucking to fuck without thinking about the consequences…boohoo you have a kid now

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Anonymous #16 4w

No need to explain dummy I’ll see u in 72 hours

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Anonymous #14 4w

The patriarchy is a social construct therefore it can be dismantled!

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Anonymous #18 4w

1. unrealistic body standards: men are expected to be bigger and taller and if they’re not they’re considered less manly. 2. male loneliness epidemic: men are taught to never share emotions or cry because it makes them ‘feminine’ 3. The pressure on men to be sexual: patriarchy assumes that men always want sex which leads to so many men and boys being sexually assaulted and staying quiet about it because society says “men are supposed to want it” 4. Toxic competition among men: men must compete

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Anonymous #13 4w

- with each other for the validation of women and other men. 5. Fear of being feminine: masculinity and femininity exists in all people but women are given more opportunity to be masculine whereas we demonize any sort of femininity and men and call them “gay” for everything. These are just a few things I could come up with off the top of my head but I hoped it helped you to understand what we mean when we say patriarchy is an enemy to us all. We are all victims

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Anonymous #13 4w

thank you friend we must unite against these forces instead of being divided

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Anonymous #1 4w

who even are you

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Anonymous #7 4w

mb i clicked on the wrong comment and replied twin😭

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Anonymous #1 4w

that’s so funny BYE

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Anonymous #1 4w

This cracked me up so bad

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Anonymous #20 4w

feminism isn’t about men being equal to women. It’s about liberation from the patriarchy.

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Anonymous #13 4w

Feminism: the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes -Merriem Webster. Took like two seconds to look up. Use your brain

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Anonymous #1 4w

LMAOOOOO

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Anonymous OP 4w

My mom never even raised me, she sold all of my stuff for drugs and never paid child support and never even showed up to the custody hearing. So I don’t really think she did any house work. So much for social norms.

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Anonymous #10 4w

The whole patriarchy argument doesn’t really make sense to me when my mom abandoned me as a baby and had numerous attempted murders against my own father

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Anonymous #10 4w

it’s because that’s not how patriarchy works, patriarchy doesn’t mean women = good, men = bad. Women are still more than capable of being evil. I’m sorry your mother was

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she sold her sons stuff for drugs do u think she’s a good person lmao

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Anonymous #10 4w

Social norms don’t mean social law. Just because certain things didn’t happen to you doesn’t negate the fact that billions of women still adhere to those norms every day.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Patriarchy is evolutionary necessity.

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Anonymous #17 4w

I call bullshit

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not everything is an argument!!! Sometimes you just wanna state things!!! I don’t argue!! I try and educate!! And sometimes I like to make lil quirky comments!!! hope that helped

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Anonymous #17 4w

since apparently I’m supposed to provide an argument, patriarchy is a societal system, and evolution depends on working together, not against each other. humanity has survived because of cooperation and connection. patriarchy exists to divide us. it’s not some inevitable force we have to accept, and we don’t have to keep upholding it. if anything, it’s destroying us. the patriarchy kills women every day, and it kills men too. that is not evolution, that’s our regression. it’s setting us back.

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you’re odd. I can comment whatever I want. wtf, if you feel strongly about something provide your own damn argument weirdo

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Quit talking to me

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Anonymous #13 4w

i’m back

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you’re the hateful one leave me alone.

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Anonymous #12 4w

You do realize you can care about more than one issue without belittling the others, right? Violations against body autonomy are NOT a contest and caring about one doesn’t take away from the other. Empathy isn’t like pie; giving some to one issue doesn’t mean there’s less to go around for others. What’s next? You gonna go, “Oh waa waa” to male rape victims because rape culture statistically affects women more? “Your issues don’t matter because this group has it worse” is part of the problem

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Anonymous #16 4w

stay gone please 😭😂😂

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Anonymous #16 4w

how was break! how you feeling

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Anonymous #13 4w

“Your issues don’t matter because this other issue is worse” is fucking wild. This shit isn’t a pissing contest. You can care about more than one thing. Genuinely, belittling one type of systemic body autonomy violation based on sex and gender because this OTHER systemic body autonomy violation based on sex and gender is worse is just preventing solidarity and spreading more division and “us vs. them” mentality. Maybe try including others in the conversation instead of shutting others out.

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next time, contribute your own argument. instead of telling someone else to. or do you lack the ability to argue for your self 😭 literally leave me…. alone

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Anonymous #13 4w

or instead of calling someone’s statement and argument and then calling said statement argument “weak” when you could just…. Speak for yourself lol

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Anonymous #13 4w

And yes, I know a lot of men only bring up these issues as a “gotcha” to shut down women, but as a comparison, what do you think is a better response to, say, a man going, “Men get raped too” as a gotcha? A. Shut the fuck up, women have it worse, thus male rape victims don’t matter. B. I know, and this is certainly another problem that we as a society need to address. What have you done to help male rape victims? Unless you genuinely believe A, in which case fuck you.

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Anonymous #14 4w

Patriarchy is not a “natural” part of human existence and has actually only existed for a short period of time in comparison to our species’ existence. Anatomically modern humans have been around for roughly 300,000 years. However, agriculture only began about 12,000 years ago. There is a myriad of evidence that patriarchy is a result of class divisions that sprouted up around the development of agriculture and that pre-agricultural humans were egalitarian and/or had no concept of gender.

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Anonymous #14 4w

You can still see traces of this today. Austronesian languages almost universally lack gendered pronouns, indicating egalitarian (e.g., non-patriarchal) social structures were the norm pre-colonization. There is also plenty of other evidence that Austronesian cultures weren’t patriarchal until European influence. And that’s just one part of the world! Indigenous peoples all over the globe were not patriarchal pre-contact with other (usually European or Middle Eastern) cultures.

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Anonymous #12 4w

The thing is pregnancy is preventable and rape is against the law. The problem here is that circumcision is not against the law, it’s a permanent scarification of genitals and it’s wide spread. Over 80% of American males have their genitals cut up at birth. This is actually really bizarre for Europeans, Asians, and South Americans. It’s barbaric. If you care about bodily autonomy, stand up for human rights. Don’t belittle me for bringing it to attention.

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Anonymous #10 4w

Just to clarify- the vast majority of earth does not circumcise anyone. Thankfully we made it illegal for women in 1996. How would you feel being born in 1995 and having your clit off because doctors convinced your parents it was “cleaner”?? Have some empathy. genital cutting only exists in America, Middle East, and Africa. Everywhere else thinks it’s abhorrent.

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