Anonymous #2 1w

But my dad doesn’t want to take away my rights and he’s conservative. My ex relationship didn’t want to take my rights away and he was also conservative (actually got upset that I would accuse him of such a thing). This guy could quite possibly be the same as them

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Anonymous OP 1w

Also he’s treated me with more respect then some other men have ever

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Anonymous OP 1w

I think ur mistaking republican with conservative. Conservative values in themselves mean that they do not want things to progress and want shit to go back to as they were. 50 yrs ago women couldn’t even get a credit card. If they want shit to go back to the way it was, they want it to go back to that

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Anonymous OP 1w

Also, ppl getting upset of being accused of something doesn’t mean anything. It can mean they’re uncomfortable w being confronted with what their values actually mean. That they don’t like that you’re acting like what they believe is wrong.

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Anonymous #2 1w

No because they are conservative republicans except one hasn’t said they are republican because he wants to have his outward persona neutral. And not my dad, not all conservatives think with every single ideology under the sun of conservatism.

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Anonymous #2 1w

I would trust that man with my life he also has a huge power dynamic against me and can fuck up my life so he would have already done that if pushed.

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Anonymous OP 1w

I mean he wouldn’t because he’s a very kind man

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Anonymous OP 1w

U weird af. Hope down the line ts works out for u bc giving a man all that power over u fs will💀 also, conservatism literally means that so idfk what ur on abt. What values r these ppl trying to conserve if u can explain to me how it’s so different. What part of past history has been so good for women or minorities

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Anonymous #2 1w

I think you are mixing those up. Conservatives just mean they hold more traditional values pertaining to home and lifestyle. Republicans just tend to subscribe more the the traditional values while also being more business minded

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Anonymous #2 1w

My father has never tried to take over my mother’s life in all honesty she’s very independent and in fact is left leaning and my mother allows her to be the independent bad ass she is. That’s like saying a liberal leftist believes every ideology that comes with everybody who is a liberal leftist. Conservatism isn’t justifying every part of the past you’re being extremely silly if you think that.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Sorry my father allows her to be and also he wouldn’t even have the power to “allow” her to do anything she’s doing her own shit

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Anonymous #1 1w

What are those specific home lifestyle values you are talking abt? Can you please specify.

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Anonymous OP 1w

You saying ur dad “allows” ur mom to be independent is a tell in itself. Ur mom is a whole ass person who has always had the ability to be independent and do wtv tf she wants without ur dad’s “permission”.

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Anonymous #2 1w

My answer to this is that it’s different for everyone. People pick and choose there isn’t aren’t specific instances. Sure some are definitely racist but others are not. Sorry #1 answer of you’d like.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Racist, sexist, etc

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Anonymous #2 1w

I’m sorry did you not see my second message. That was a mistype of mine.

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Anonymous OP 1w

I explained myself

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Anonymous #2 1w

Yk like they tend to be more family oriented, they are generally hard workers to provide and support their families.

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Anonymous #2 1w

They also tend to want their women to be able to have the choice on whether they work or stay at home because they want to be the provider of the family so their women never have to if they don’t want to.

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Anonymous #2 1w

So women like OPs mom can have the freedom to live their lives in any manner

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Anonymous OP 1w

I saw ur clarification just now. I appreciate that you did. But my perception of the conservative home values is a woman staying at home and having no financial power. Financial power is something that is very very easily abused. I am very glad ur parents have a good relationship where they are able to make this type of dynamic work. However, others not adhering to this specific dynamic does not hinder others ability to partake.

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Anonymous #2 1w

Being politically conservative, SPECIFICALLY politically, means that you want to make it so that others also have to live in a situation like that despite not wanting to. Progressive ideology allows for ppl to make those choices for themselves. It doesnt stop anyone from partaking if they’d like

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Anonymous #2 1w

Stay at home moms often have their own businesses. I was homeschooled and went to a co-op and MANY of the moms made an income from various things. It’s all about freedom. And a good man is going to support a woman’s dream and not hold power of them. And that is what I’ve personally seen from conservative men

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Anonymous #2 1w

Thank you and yes they have a beautiful relationship. I assure you I wouldn’t stay in a relationship in which I have no freedom of my own! Heck that’s why I’ve had a hard time with men because I want to stay myself and not force time for a man (no offense men).

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Anonymous OP 1w

But I wouldn’t mind being a stay at home mom

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Anonymous #1 1w

It is not often. Stay at home mothers have to do so much work with little to no help from their male counterparts. It is incredibly difficult to both take care of a growing person who is learning the world and adjusting as well as take care of all the home duties on top of working their own businesses. Many stay at home mothers are incredibly overworked with absolutely no recognition or gratitude. Again, this is not a singularity, but it is more often than not how this works out.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Girl same, if I didn’t have personal dreams work wise, I would be a stay at home mom and build a home.

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Anonymous #2 1w

But I counter wouldn’t democratic liberals also want people to live just how they do? I find extremists of both side idiotic with ideals

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Anonymous #2 1w

Maybe from what you assume or have seen. But coming from a family of 9, i always saw my dad helping my mother. And some of the couples I look up to are the same way

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Anonymous OP 1w

Absolutely not. Progressive ppl want freedom to make the choices they want. Sure there are a select few who shame women for their decisions, but choosing to be a mother is an incredibly beautiful thing. However one chooses to partake in that is however they chose. There is no legal way to force a woman to work, but there very much so is a legal way to force women to stay at home and be subservient to men

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Anonymous #2 1w

My mother chose to be a stay at home mom but I wouldn’t say she was overworked but I also agree that I didn’t see what was happening in the background. She also never let go of her dreams and still gets job offers to this day for her work. My dad was a surgeon but he did do the best he could with us

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Anonymous #2 1w

Hence why being politically conservative is a scary thing. Progressives literally just want ppl to be able to do things as they’d like. In what way do u believe progressives can force women to work when they can’t even force men to do that

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Anonymous OP 1w

I will piggy back of how you may not have been able to see what was happening in the background. I have so so much respect for stay at home mothers and mothers in general. I have friends who are mothers, and I see the pain and stress they go through especially when there are men who are not willing to take responsibility are in the mix. Just providing money is not nearly enough. The complexities of human relationships are not so simple. You can hate your wife and still provide for her.

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Anonymous #2 1w

Yes but I feel this goes for progressives too anyone can be a horrible father

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Anonymous OP 1w

But #2 I must say I respect you

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Anonymous OP 1w

I am not saying that a conservative man is going to be more of a horrible of a father than a progressive one. So I definitely agree with you on that 100%. There is no way to tell if any specific man will be a good father. I am saying that progressives want ppl to have the choice to choose to have any lifestyle they life, but politically conservative values directly contradicts that. They don’t want that choice. They want a traditional home style life to be the norm n not b easy to deviate from

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Anonymous OP 1w

Also I must say the man im meeting up with tomorrow does seem a little fanatical and I’m slightly worried but I want to give him a chance

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Anonymous #2 1w

Once again, I am asking how progressive ppl can force a woman to live a life they do not want to live. It is clear how it is possible with conservative values as we have seen in history, we know how that story plays out. But in what way can progressive values actually hinder a woman’s decision to live a stay at home lifestyle in the way that she would like

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Anonymous OP 1w

Glad to have been deserving of ur respect. I am also glad to be having this conversation. I really would like to understand ur perspectives more

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Anonymous #2 1w

I just think some progressives as you’ve said before can ridicule a woman who chooses to strive for being a stay at home mother.

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Anonymous #2 1w

If you had insulted me it would be a different story. And I’m glad to be giving it to you

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Anonymous OP 1w

You can fs give him a chance. There is nobody stopping you from doing so. I am mainly saying be careful. Primarily bc again, conservative values do not directly support your ability to choose what you would like to do or how you would like to live your life. I am glad you trust him, I am glad he is someone who you believe is good, but I just hope he is truly who you think he is n that he will be the same as ur father as many men will not be.

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Anonymous OP 1w

And I will stand to condemn those who do ridicule how others choose to live their life. I think many may have personally seen how that particular situation has played out in a negative way, and they prescribe that experience onto others. In no way is that how that plays out every single time. Many women can find a lot of fulfillment it living the lifestyle u speak of

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