Anonymous #2 1d

it’s in reverse

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Anonymous #4 21h

i want an equal partnership, a feminist man, i dont want to be led or told how to dress, etc. the traditional values of christian relationships just dont align with me bro

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Anonymous OP 21h

why is this being downvoted😭 nothing i said was incorrect

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Anonymous OP 21h

That’s self imposed bullshit

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Anonymous #5 21h

what specifically did i say that was incorrect or not able to be found in the bible

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Anonymous #5 21h

Ur giving a property u assume to a subject that doesn’t necessarily do that, its like saying all women are left handed, yea maybe some women are left handed but its so far and few

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Anonymous OP 21h

Show me what you said is correct that is found in the bible or in any modern religion (except Islam or Muslim regions or identity)

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Anonymous OP 21h

“Modern”

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Anonymous #5 21h

Shit back in the day they use to have sex with kids I don’t see normal ppl doing that, are you gonna justify that normal ppl do that bc they did it back then? I don’t think so.

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That shit doesn’t hold in a normal church setting, it’s all translated too, most churches will never go off of literal meaning of quotes they go off of what they perceive the meaning is

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Anonymous #5 21h

im just not interested in dating christian men, because female submission is definitely mentioned THROUGHOUT the bible. i dont want to "submit". therefore me and a christian man would be incompatible. AND i gave sources😭 not sure why im being downvoted for speaking the truth

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Anonymous #5 21h

MANY churches do not want women leading dude. so i give multiple direct sources, and you just rationalize them or discard them. im not interested in any religion that doesnt put men and women at an equal playing field. again, nothing im saying is factually incorrect.

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Anonymous OP 21h

Ur not being downvoted for speaking the truth, ur being downvoted for being a moron, it’s discriminatory and based off of claims yea maybe somewhat true but hold no value, you may not believe in god and that’s a boundary yo7 want for a partner sure that’s fine, but ur still an idiot, and I’m not even Christian, I’m Jewish

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Anonymous #5 21h

so you pick and choose which parts of the bible you follow?

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Anonymous OP 21h

Christians are notorious for picking and choosing whatever benefits them the most

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Anonymous OP 21h

Yes you literally have too, and it’s not pick and choose, you have to give meaning to things because it won’t make sense bc language norms where different at creation and different at translation and other translation and other translation, it’s also known that King James Bible is known for changing words. It’s all what you believe and I know most Christians would probably agree, it’s abt just being a good person.

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Anonymous #5 21h

im discriminatory and a moron... for not wanting to be with men who follow a religion that puts me at a lower position than men? what

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Anonymous OP 21h

Ur changing my words I said it’s fine for you to have standards but atleast base them off of something not fucking dumb as shit

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Anonymous #5 21h

bruh so if the bible is the word of god... why would a true christian pick and choose what he listens to? isnt that arrogant? isnt that being lukewarm? isnt that refusing the word of god?

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Anonymous #5 21h

how is it dumb to not want to be with a man who follows a religion that places me as a woman beneath him? tell me how thats dumb

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Anonymous OP 21h

Word of god, it got translated and changed multiple times by multiple people historically. Once again I’m not Christian, I couldn’t tell you abt arrogance, I just know historically that’s why you have to perceive the Bible and not read it.

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Anonymous OP 21h

Refer to my second comment

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Anonymous OP 21h

another verse commanding women to be submissive. this is a repeating theme throughout the bible, and me pointing it out isnt a bad thing

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Anonymous OP 21h

Refer to my last three other comments

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Anonymous OP 21h

Ur confusing necessary and sufficient condition

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Anonymous #5 21h

i did. still, nothing i said was untrue or baseless, therefore you calling me an idiot holds no weight. why am i dumb? did i say something that doesnt make sense? did i lie? did i say something without proof? no, no, and no. so i ask, do you have a REAL reason why you oppose what im saying without any personal attacks?

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Anonymous OP 21h

We can go band for band all day, read all the comments I’m reanswering questions, let’s not make this something it’s not read but read correctly.

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Anonymous OP 20h

No personal attack here if you’d actually read 😭

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Anonymous #5 20h

tell me how "ur still an idiot" isnt a personal attack buddy

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Anonymous OP 20h

You quite literally are because you didn’t read and instead stuck to being spiteful

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Anonymous #5 20h

you just said there were no personal attacks... yet u called me an idiot. did you forget what you typed? ive been keeping it cordial man if you actually want a productive convo without insults, lmk.

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Anonymous OP 20h

Yea I’m here let’s have a cordially conversation no double backing no circular reasoning full fledged discussion using “logical reasoning” and no spite

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Anonymous #5 20h

ok so. i feel as though christianity isnt compatible with feminism because of the repeated themes of female submission and an imbalance of power between men and women throughout the bible. i gave some verses to back this up. would you disagree?

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Anonymous OP 20h

I can justify yes, direct translation it holds merit. But that isn’t what happens in churches or modern Christianity, it is what is perceived due to the translations and changing of words throughout the bibles history, therefore, I disagree, because those verses aren’t values held by modern Christians.

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Anonymous #5 20h

Once more, my background is very limited because I am a Jew. So if u ask me abt direct meanings, I couldn’t confidently answer, but I can answer based off of what I know talking to Christians and logic based off of history.

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Anonymous #5 20h

i understand that. but can u see how that can sound like cherry picking? EVERY christian can have their OWN interpretation of the bible, every denomination, every church, etc etc etc... do u see how that can be difficult to pin down? so instead of referring to millions of anecdotes, i looked directly at the source material that their faith is based on, which we can both refer to. based off of the source material alone, im sure we can agree that men & women are not equal.

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Anonymous #5 20h

someone choosing to not follow specific verses doesnt make the verse go away. people deciding to ignore it doesnt change the fact that it WAS followed, and often is STILL followed

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Anonymous OP 20h

Yes but u can then argue that u are basing your belief on direct translation it when you even said your self is loosely based in modern Christianity and interpretation. Cherry picking isn’t the right word, when in fact you can’t make the assumption that because something is identical when something else is based in it.

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Anonymous #5 20h

I also cant give you a really good answer for this, I don’t fkn know 😭

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Anonymous #5 20h

Yall stfu I keep getting notifs

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Anonymous #3 20h

Smd lil bro eat my fucking shorts

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Anonymous OP 20h

Ur confusing verse with law sorry I didn’t see this

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Anonymous #5 20h

i see the point ur making. yes, most christians BASE their faith in the bible without following every verse line by line IDENTICALLY. my point being, is that its a gamble. theres so much variety. someone may only follow 2 verses, someone may follow just the new testament, or just certain books- but the common denominator is that they all follow the SAME BOOK. yes, that is a generalization of millions of people. but it is not baseless. because their book LITERALLY says these things.

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Anonymous OP 20h

therefore i dont believe its unreasonable for a feminist or egalitarian person to be wary of christians (or any religion for that matter), because their foundational texts EXPLICITLY STATE sexist beliefs MULTIPLE TIMES. do you see what i mean? furthermore, nonreligious people are statistically more likely to be feminists than christians (unsurprisingly)

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Anonymous OP 20h

I see what your saying, but that would mean your whole argument is flawed, The fact that this is a generalisation of modern Christians or religious people is based off of a direct translation (of which you took the direct linguistic meaning of) which you agreed to say is baseless in their beliefs or at least most beliefs for all Christians. When it isn’t true, not all Christians believe in the “anti feminist” direct teachings of the Bible, it is some. - better said, you say all when we both

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Anonymous #5 20h

Agree it’s some, so what you should say is, “I don’t like men who uphold anti feminists values”

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Anonymous OP 20h

Sure I see what you’re saying and you’re valid told your own opinion, but it is in fact discrimination, it assumes all religious ppl are bad ppl when in fact it’s some.

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Anonymous #5 20h

To hold*

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Anonymous #5 19h

i feel like dating is inherently discriminatory- we all select for people who share our values and click with us the most, among other things. and im sure many christians also wouldnt want to date atheists- but i wouldnt call that discriminatory, moreso just knowing what does and doesnt work for you

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Anonymous #5 19h

yes i said most christians dont follow the bible word for word, but i dont believe the sexist verses are baseless for most christians- the statistic i provided proves this claim.

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Anonymous #5 19h

i dont like men who uphold anti feminist values- and MANY of those men have OVERLAP with religion, which i proved. it just isnt smart (statistically) to for a women with feminist values to get with a man whose foundation of his faith, aka the bible, is in opposition to feminism but are there outliers? yes. are there cherry pickers? yes.

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Anonymous OP 19h

The statistic said “more likely” it doesn’t say anything about percentages or actually give me evidence to prove correlation. It could be 1% more it could be that they interviewed 3 ppl. Check your sources. From the snippet I was shown it could’ve been taken from rural parts of Tennessee (old boys state) Trust me, I’m not tryna be like that but that seems to be an inherent problem with most ppl and sources they find online. 😭

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Anonymous OP 19h

Exactly the point I’m making it’s cherry picking and discriminatory based off of something that isn’t necessary true for everyone in a category. The point I’m making is you can’t justify hatred for another person for a non exclusive category they fall in, when the problem isn’t the category, it’s the subjects on belief. One can be Christian and not hate women one can be Christian and hate women it’s not exclusive. Many also does not mean more than average, it just means the ppl you’ve been near.

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Anonymous #5 19h

Also I’m at the gym so ignore my last two comments for now just dm me

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Anonymous #5 19h

ur kinda nitpicking now. heres the source if you want to verify for yourself. and if you google "are religious people less likely to be feminists?" your answer is going to be yes basically every single time. there are PLENTY of other sources that back up my claim.... would you really argue that religious people are MORE likely to be feminists? if so, id like to see ur evidence 😭 https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/02/26/religion-and-views-on-gender-parenting-and-workforce-participation/

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Anonymous OP 19h

How so, this is a complete a valid argument, questioning a source? Any lawyer any teacher any attorney would agree that is a valid thing to ask. Also regardless, still doesn’t justify saying all people in a category believe the same, when each interpretation is individualistic and different, as you’ve agreed. Shit you might be right some ppl are more likely to be anti feminists but category isn’t the determiner, it’s like saying women are more likely to be left handed, shit there might be many

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Anonymous #5 19h

Left handed women, but that doesn’t mean there are more than men nor does it mean it’s more common than right handed women.

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Anonymous #5 19h

I’m not arguing anything based on the context of the argument, I’m attacking the gaps in your argument itself.

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Anonymous #5 19h

I could even continue to argue abt the context saying historical values placed in the Bible that hasn’t change don’t generally reflect current values. But that’s not what I’m doing.

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Anonymous #5 19h

sure my claim isnt true in every case, i cant make a qualitative statement about EVERY christian. but i can back up my argument with evidence- i can refer to various verses in the bible, i can refer to various studies that show that christians & religious people are more likely to be traditional and not feminists, and i can point to various christians, churches, and politicians that uphold such beliefs what evidence do you have to support your claim?

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Anonymous OP 19h

You may be able to use them sure, but that doesn’t mean they are valid and sound when pertaining to the argument whatsoever. Also politicians ? Really ? U mean actual fucking supervillains ? Ppl who will say anything for a vote? Can’t ship those ppl in to Christianity, those kid diddlers may say they’re Christian but they’re not. Same with mega-churches those are cash grabs. Either way ts is like apples and oranges dude 😭

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Anonymous #5 19h

yes politicians are shitty and evil, but they leveraged christianity and traditional values to get millions of people to vote for them and secure their spot in their respective offices. they dont exist in a vacuum

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Anonymous OP 19h

They twist the words of god to support their own beliefs and out dated traditions, not only that they leave a bad face on Christianity. Everyone can see that. There is no excuse for them. The majority of their support comes from those older and the senile who reflect those views because that’s what they were raised with. Don’t ship politics with religion that’s not fair especially when in the us there is supposed to a separation of church and state.

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Anonymous #5 18h

when politics is becoming more and more shaped by religious views, i have to ask the question- what are the values that unite the millions of voters? what do they have in common? why are billions of dollars being sent to israel? why are they so involved in our politics... and it boils down to christianity. it's not every christian, but it's always A christian. do you see my perspective?

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Anonymous OP 18h

and like i said, id love if you can give ANY evidence that shows christians and religious people are NOT less likely to be feminists. ive given multiple pieces of evidence to support my claim, but you've given none

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Anonymous OP 17h

Don’t need to, I’m being logically sound. The problem is with the argument itself. Also what about Christians who are women, are they not feminists just because they’re Christian? Regardless, of if they are or aren’t more likely to not be feminists your still mixing up sufficient and necessary assumptions and furthermore, the argument alone would be is it fair to assume all Christians and all religious ppl are anti-feminists? The answer regardless is no.

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Anonymous #5 17h

I’m too tired to argue as of now, but I will say we are arguing in two distinctly different spheres, you’re worried abt the context I’m worried about the argument itself. If you wanna say that it’s a personal preference to stay away from religious ppl that’s fine but u can’t assume that they are all antifemenists.

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Anonymous #5 17h

christianity and feminism directly oppose one another unless you cherry pick verses. cherry picking what fits your world view and discarding the rest isnt intellectually sound. can you do it? sure. someone can stick their head in the sand, but it doesnt change the fact that theres a tornado outside

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Anonymous OP 17h

That’s hypocritical, you previously cherry picked verses and you’re making an assumption based off the cherry pickings.

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Anonymous OP 17h

That depends on what unites multiple ppl. Millions of dollars are being sent to Israel for oil but that’s a different argument alone. You can be a part of a political side and not be Christian you can hold those beliefs and not be Christian too.

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Anonymous OP 17h

It’s not a. Part of the argument.

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Anonymous #5 17h

i didnt cherry pick. i gave you some verses that support my claim. now the burden of proof is on you to show verses that the bible IS in support of feminism

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Anonymous OP 17h

I’ll say this now tho, we are involved in Israel bc it’s a stronghold in the Middle East for oil, how’d it become a stronghold, ww2 decision to declare Israel as a Jewish state for rothchilds, why are they involved in our politics? Investors. Why are we fighting their battle? It’s much safer to fight Palestinians who don’t have access to nuclear weapons for oil than the Russians with nuclear weapons. It’s unfortunately a necessary evil. We don’t like Israel, Netanyahu is alr a declared war crimi

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Anonymous #5 17h

-Nal but it’s all we got in regards for gas prices. The whole Middle East doesn’t like us bc of our involvement “for democracy”.

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Anonymous OP 17h

That is the definition of cherry picking. There is no need of burden of proof when an argument is flawed from the get go. ALSO I DONT LNOW THE BIBLE IM JEWISH.

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Anonymous #5 17h

you don't know how to debate then buddy. i made a claim then backed it with evidence. you then went against my claim but you gave no evidence for hours. you're supposed to give a rebuttal with your own evidence..... and now you're too tired. yawn. if you dont know the bible then dont debate it. ive read the bible, quran, torah, talmud, etc etc. because knowledge is important. i domt talk out of my ass unless i have knowledge to back it up. do you concede that ur unequipped to debate this?

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Anonymous OP 17h

I definitely know how to debate you just don’t know how to argue, also didn’t we agree on being cordial, I’ve given my response to everything you’ve said you have yet to acknowledge it, I told you I would happily debate with fair warning I’m not Christian, I told you I was going to go off what I know and what makes sense logically, there is no concede but there is a clear difference in opinion, if you want to be stubborn and tell me Christians are more likely to be whatever sure go ahead but ur

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Anonymous #5 17h

Still not talking abt ur main conclusion.

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Anonymous #5 17h

i think im being cordial. i didnt make any personal attacks like u did when u called me an idiot. im responding to u saying, and i quote "I DONT KNOW THE BIBLE" im agreeing with you- you dont know it. because if you did you would know that it isnt possible to substantiate ur point

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Anonymous OP 17h

“Yawn.” “You don’t know how to debate buddy” that’s not cordial, relying on me being Jewish isn’t exactly a fair argument either.

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Anonymous #5 17h

notice how i didnt mention you being jewish. i directly quoted you saying "i dont know the bible".. which could apply to anyone of any background

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Anonymous OP 17h

Yet you bring up the Bible every time…. As a “direct source”

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Anonymous #5 17h

because we're talking about the bible..? did you want me to use dr seuss instead?

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Anonymous OP 17h

Watch your tone. I’m arguing abt your logic based on the bible.

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Anonymous #5 17h

which you yourself claimed you didnt know..

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Anonymous OP 17h

So? You’re still using flawed arguments?

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Anonymous #5 17h

my arguments are based on what the bible says. to reiterate, i wouldnt want to affiliate romantically with someone who bases their morality from this book. because it goes against my values as a feminist. disagree if you want. not sure what else there is to be said

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Anonymous OP 16h

Its interpretation, not direct. If I told you go and eat shit, would you go and eat shit? I don’t think you would actually go and eat shit. But if you want to go ahead might find ppl more your speed. 😭

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Anonymous #5 16h

dude you can interpret it all you want to. doesnt change the fact that these things are said verbatim in the bible. in conclusion, i think that because the source material states these things, id rather not engage with someone who follows it. im not a fan of apologetics. perhaps that does make me discriminatory, but oh well. im ok with that. we're all entitled to our opinions. i encourage you to read up on the bible and expand your knowledge. you may be surprised about what you find

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Anonymous OP 16h

K. lol.

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Anonymous #5 16h

random question. are you religiously jewish or just ethnically

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Anonymous OP 16h

Ethnic

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Anonymous #5 16h

I believe in pantheism tho, so ig somewhat spiritual

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Anonymous #5 16h

what are your thoughts on the religious aspects? would u define urself as more agnostic? questioning? im curious :)

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Anonymous OP 16h

Spiritualistic ig I answered alr tho pantheism

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Anonymous #5 16h

is there a reason you dont click with judaism? what was ur journey

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Anonymous #5 16h

my bad we had like 200 comments so ur shit is lagging brah

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Anonymous OP 16h

Wasn’t raised with it other than the traditions, but even then the traditions I had were very very reformed.

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Anonymous OP 16h

Coo DMs open

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Anonymous #5 16h

FINALLY

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Anonymous #5 16h

hmmm after reflecting im kinda realizing im putting all christians into a very tiny box🤔 but i think we both made good points !

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Anonymous #2 16h

still wouldnt date one lmfao. but theres definitely some nuance

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Anonymous #2 16h

U lwk a bitch ngl

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Anonymous #5 16h

me or #2 ? >~<

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Anonymous OP 16h

#2

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Anonymous #5 15h

JUST FUCKING TAKE IT TO DMS YOU CUNTS

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Anonymous #2 15h

#jealous💅

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Anonymous beestboy 13h

Some women are educated and don’t want brainwashed religious freaks

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