
pink_baddie8
Yeah misandary and misogyny both are bad, but one is kills women and other one pisses men off. There is a difference.This is 99% true. The one exception I think is male mental health, which is actually a genuine crisis. That being said, its almost always red pill men dragging down other men who need help. Most of the answers to male mental health are indirectly (or sometimes directly) found in feminist literature.
This is disingenuous and undercuts the actual problem. Patriarchy is responsible for both misandry and misogyny with too many situations to even list. They both cost people their lives and livelihoods, their freedoms and safety. And both men who perpetuate these flawed systems, and those who try not to, are impacted whether they want to believe it or not. Specifically I can think of family court as a matter where biased judges, either way, can ruin lives.
No itâs fine, I struggle with stuff like this but I get what you have been saying, it isnât really wrong even if it is hurtful. I just hate how people make hate normalized. So many people say I hate men and usually itâs playful and not really the fully story, but it really hurts, and adds to self-hate, when I try so hard to be a good person and to never make anyone uncomfortable only to hear itâs impossible to be trustworthy and good because of my gender.
Yeah itâs gotten better since i better understood their povâs, I hate to say it but I think it might be a me issue. I rarely see gendered hate either way in my real life but the online stuff does drag me down at times. Pulling women isnât the point, itâs more about being a trustworthy and good person in general, someone who doesnât make people uncomfortable or overstep on their boundaries. I appreciate your care alot though, I donât mean to bash you if it sounds like i was
Then youâre clearly a man who hasnât experienced it. Lucky you, that or youâre just lying, all men and women experience misandry and misogyny in their life, youâre not exempt. If you donât realize thatâs what youâre experiencing, then thatâs on you, I canât help you.
Yall got so triggered in these comments please donât think your pathetic attempt at bait is gonna work. My job here is down, more sad little men upset that someone didnât feed into their delusional facade so you donât have to own up to the fact that you did nothing with your lives and itâs YOUR fault. Nobody elseâs. Have the day you deserve đââïžđđđđ
Misogyny by definition does not mean anything physical, itâs social oppression. And even if it was physical, youâre completely wrong. There is a current viewpoint that women can hit men, but men canât hit women. Neither should happen, but the viewpoint that if a woman hits a man, the man canât hit the woman back to defend himself is also Misandary, not because of the physical violence, but the double standard that weâve set for women
thatâs just not supported by research at all. men report feelings of loneliness and isolation due to not having strong bonds with male friends and not feeling comfortable sharing emotions/ asking for help. a large part of why so many men struggle with mental health is because of the patriarchy and the standards it holds men to. society tells men they need to be manly and strong all the time and shames them for being emotional.
You do realize you just gave the meaning of Misandary, right? The standard that men need to be manly and not share emotions? Much like the vice versa, women being told they should be seen and not heard? Is that not misogyny? Because if thatâs misogyny, then what you just told me right now is Misandary.
I didnât say men donât hit women, donât twist my words. I said that the difference between men hitting women and women hitting men is vast. If a man hits a woman, itâs a crime, but if a woman hits a man, itâs probably because he deserved it. Thatâs the standard set, and thatâs misandry.
i would definetly call that an unfair gender based double standard. (not really much evidence to the claim that men are as oppressed as women) i have conducted research on intimate partner violence, its a topic i take very seriously. male victims of IPV are not taken as seriously and it is a huge issue. one that stems from patriarchal norms is argue, not oppression.
in social science, oppression usually refers to systematic and institutional patterns that consistently disadvantage a group across many areas of life. men are not systemically oppressed by women in the ways that women are in society. that is not a matter of opinion, it has been researched extensively
bc men arenât oppressed for being men holy fuck đ men obviously are oppressed for their race/sexuality/etc but itâs not bc theyâre MEN. literally every issues youâre listing thatâs âmisandryâ is either a side effect of misogyny or the result of another system of oppression. men are not oppressed bc theyâre men
I agree, and I think thatâs an OK way to end a conversation like this. Thereâs an infinite number of viewpoints on matters like this, Iâm not necessarily saying yours are completely wrong or untrue, Iâm just saying for the most part I donât personally see it the same way.
It kind of is, misandry is a response to women dealing with a lot of violence and hatred imposed on them by men (as a class) through the patriarchy, misogyny was the perpetuation of that violence initially Itâs the same way a queer person might be distrustful of someone who isnât queer or how any person of color in America might be distrustful of white people Itâs not about being a man, itâs about having been part of the oppressive class
I disagree, if youâre referring to the male loneliness epidemic thatâs not an issue caused by women hating men, from personal experience it comes from lacking a community, as soon as you find a community (and especially mixed gender communities) it does genuinely get a lot better If youâre suffering bc you feel like all women hate you Iâm sorry and I hope it gets better
Menâs mental health has been an issue far longer than misandry has been popping up on our screens. And the original post makes perfect sense, it might just seem hard to hear. Misandry is horrible no doubt, but misogyny has been KILLING women. Deadass look at afganistan, women arenât allowed to even show their faces or go to college? The Salem witch trials? Men donât face that same discrimination? Who gets killed more in relationships? Who gets raped more?
Like bro Iâm a guy and does it suck hearing women say they hate men? Sure. But comparing that to what women go through is the most out of touch shit Iâve ever heard. Even men that get raped or boys that get trafficked are for *majority* other men. And lets not try and pretend it isnât true because how many of you would hire a 21yr old guy to babysit your 6-16yr daughter?
Source? I bring up misandry more than when just misogyny is brought up. Nice strawman. Systematic oppression is when boys clubs (boy scouts of america) allow girls but girls do not have reciprocation. Or when girls get their student athletics paid for by the boys programs. Or when girls donât have to sign up for the draft to recieve fasfa
you are just being sexist by grouping all women or people who try to understand womenâs issues together and labeling them as bad, as if we canât address both at the same time. there are different types of feminism btw and experts disagree with each other all the time on how to handle the issue of gender stratification. What justinian said is a really good point. I highly recommend looking into feminist literature, you might really resonate with some of it
Thatâs, like, exactly what some yall women do though. You expect men to take care of YOUR mental health and expect us to always find the solution to YOUR problems. Why, cause weâre a âmanâ and weâre supposed to handle it all? Itâs not you guys needing to âhandleâ menâs mental health, you just need to do your part in not fucking it up by abusing these traditional gender roles yall take too far.
Thereâs been a rise in conservatism with people like andrew tate and charlie kirk that have people esp men wanting to resume back to gender roles. And I agree that each gender should not provoke the other, but statistically women are killed and raped disproportionately and you want us to what? Smile? Women also rely on friends and therapy for mental health more than men so maybe thatâs something men could try to help theirs, remove therapy stigma and teach men to be able to talk to one another.
Actually men who pursue custody of their children are successful 90% of the time. The reason for the disparity is that women are just more likely to pursue custody. Also, that isnât the point of this post. The point is that a lot of people seem to think women do not face any worse discrimination than men do on the basis of sex. We literally couldnât vote 100 years ago, we couldnât have our own bank accounts until 50 years ago. The mindset that put that system in place doesnât just disappear.
How is it absurdly ridiculous? Have you looked up femicide rates in different countries? Rape stats? Child marriages? Oh and by child marriages its just girls almost never young boys. Thereâs literally an entire country where women cannot pursue higher education and have to be covered head to toe to even step outside. And you think women arenât oppressed more? Deadass just try talking to your mother, sisters, female friends and colleagues for their personal livid experiences.
Why are you trying to make it seem like the oppression women face isnât that bad? We couldnât even have our own bank accounts legally until 50 years ago. That is systemic oppression of women. I can also say that men have been oppressed by war but thatâs is a totally different topic and isnât something that I feel takes away from or undermines the oppression I have experienced as a woman. Also, the war thing has not been perpetuated by women (we couldnât even vote on that stuff until recently)
But its not just people. Women get killed more, women get raped more, little girls and boys too. If we can change that by raising people, especially men to be less violent then why dont we? And men benefit from it too, fostering a community that takes everyoneâs emotions seriously means less suicide for guys Like its so sad and I cry for the people we cant help
I dont wanna bum you but look into the statistics. Look at videos of child marriages, the prison break in congo, the women in Afghanistan, the women in south africa, look at how many kids go missing in the US and ask yourself where those kids go? And I HATE that I always have to do this but it could be your sister, your mother, your daughter and your friends. Like genuinely look at them in the face and how vulnerable they are.
70-90% ignoring the fact that most men will only directly contest these things when given exceptional circumstances such as abuse because most lawyers will advise you to settle AND that includes equal custody meaning in some courts there is a 30% chance you are treated as less of a parent. MY point is your last point, the system/mindset that created these problems is the patriarchy, which hurts men and women in different ways.