Anonymous #9 5w

There is literally a convicted felon as president rn but that’s just irrelevant I guess

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Anonymous #10 5w

Timmy tough knuckles over here

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Anonymous #12 5w

you want these knuckles or what😭

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Anonymous #2 5w

he just knows how to enforce the law, but i guess that’s irrelevant too

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Anonymous #15 5w

i’m planning a trip down there soon 🩷

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Anonymous #17 5w

what about the US citizens that die at the hands of the illegal immigrants? not an attack, i would just like to hear your opinion.

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Anonymous #9 5w

what about all the people who die to guns? I would like to hear your opinion. That is how your question sounds.

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This country is literally made of people from other countries. The true americans were slaughtered in the 15th century. Everyone after that is an immigrant, white black yellow brown green or blue

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Okay but ice is scooping up legal immigrants as well as born citizens.

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Did i say they were being deported? or did i say they were being scooped up? This is not the “gotcha” you think it is. I can start giving u names of americans who were arrested because of their name or skincolor despite having documentation proving they’re Americans. Leonardo garcia venegas was arrested in alabama despite having a REAL ID drivers license, ice agents ignored it. He was detained twice. 170 other Americans have been wrongly detained and had their right violated by ice.

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He was detained twice in random work raids where they have no real target. have you ever gone fishing with a casting/ bait net? Ice is throwing a casting net onto people, pulling them in and sorting through hoping they got an “illegal” Job Garcia was assaulted in Los Angeles infront of a commercial store, and then unlawfully detained by ice.

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Strawman argument. Even 1 American wrongly arrested and detained, is 1 too many.

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Ur conflating civil violations with criminal violations. How are you holding private citizens to a higher standard of behavior than feds and the government?

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Anonymous #18 5w

#6 and #16 by rage baiting and ganging up on #18 you’re only displaying your lack of morality and it’s embarrassing for you

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i think that they deserve due process before being deported. Would you like me to list the names of immigrants who were denied the right to due process before being deported? the crux of my point is that the way ice is going about this is harmful to the communities they are trying to “protect”

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Anonymous #17 5w

Tbf 16 just sounds like they havent really thought about it much, im trying to provoke lateral thinking and i believe #16 is remaining civil. #6 isnt very intelligent so its not much if an issue to deal with

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Anonymous #18 5w

i completely agree. i don’t think they realize just how bad the situations are in other countries that would bring people to consider immigrating to the U.S, both legally and illegally

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I dont think you know what force, or fascism actually is. Also. Civil immigration offenses are status issues like overstaying a visa, handled in immigration court and can lead to deportation but not jail. Criminal immigration offenses include illegal entry, reentry, or fraud, prosecuted in federal court with potential prison time. A civil case can become criminal when say, someone over stays their visa and commits a rape. Overstaying the visa doesnt automatically mean ur gonna become a rapis

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“Me me me, i i i” Are you a christian by chance?

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Anonymous #17 5w

Cognitive dissonance is strong especially when they are told from all angles “bad bad bad danger danger stay away get rid of them”

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this goes back to my point about innocent people fleeing oppressive government leaders and because of certain laws, they are considered illegal immigrants. mary and joseph fled the king with jesus because the king wanted him dead. if they tried to do that in today’s world, they wouldn’t be able to find refuge in the united states and would just get deported

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Anonymous #18 5w

literally you’ve been so on top of factual information this whole time

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Anonymous #17 5w

Appealing to #6s empathy wont work

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I am a christian. Leviticus 19:34 - The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your nativeborn. Exodus 22:21 - do not mistreat or oppress a foreigner Dueteronomy 10:18-19 - god loves the foreigner and you are to love those who are foreigners.

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my original comment was about people fleeing terrorist-run governments, not about people simply wanting more financial opportunities

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Thats what this county was founded on tho. Literally more financial opportunities and a better life was how america marketed itself in the 19th century.

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I do take care of them and i want everyone else to contribute to it as well. I volunteer on the weekends at the food for life network. As for a plan, create a workpermit pathway so they dont have to be paid under the table and can instead pay taxes like any self respecting and honest human being. Prioritize violent criminals for removal, this means we need due process to remain and be respected. Partner with other states and nonprofits for housing and transition instead of leaving cities to-

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Anonymous #18 5w

Figure it out. Make legal immigration faster, fair and more equitable.

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Ur just making things up and then getting mad at me for things ur mind conjured up.

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you realize that many people throughout history claim that their immoral actions are pure simply because God told them to do it? they weaponize His name to do whatever they please, to promote their own corrupt agenda. our current president is a prime example of that

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Thats literally what it says, verbatim. Old Testament commands about Israel in war were directed to a specific nation, under a specific covenant, for a specific era. The same Bible also commands how God’s people are to treat foreigners living among them If we apply Romans 13 to obey governing authorities, then we also apply the parts where Scripture tells us how to treat the outsider with justice, compassion, and fairness. We don’t get to choose only the verses that support one side.

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Anonymous #17 5w

Dude dont get me started on him gassing protesters so he could take a photo, holding a bible, upside fucking down and backwards, infront of a place of worship.

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You’re right that the Bible teaches respect for governing authorities Romans 13, titus 3, and hebrews 13 speak all speak to order, leadership, and accountability. But those same governments are required to uphold justice and protect the vulnerable.

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Sorry hard to respond to all of them im losing track. Which ones did i fail to respond to?

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To clarify, the only ones i missed are 3, 4 and 5 yes? Give me a moment

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I dont see 6:

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#6 can we pause your sermon for a sec and reflect on the fact that there have been versions of the bible written for thousands of years, translated from language to language, and passed on from culture to culture? when it comes to translating text, many languages don’t have a direct translation and many implications are lost, allowing people to create new implications in their place. it’s the very human translator who determines what connotation a passage gives

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Anonymous #17 5w

Exactly why i only reference the old testament

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Anonymous #17 5w

my point is that the bible can guide us in developing our moral conscience and relationship to the divine being(s) out there, but taking certain passages too literally can do the opposite and cause harm to others

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Scholars engage the passages that challenge their position, not just the ones that support it.

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Do you believe the commands in Leviticus 19:34 and Exodus 22:21 about treating foreigners with kindness apply today? Yes or no?

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Ur quoting Hebrews 8 to argue for Old Testament policies, but Hebrews 8 literally says those covenant commands were fulfilled and replaced through Christ. That means we interpret how we treat the outsider through Jesus’ teaching, not Israel’s wars

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If God is never for people who break the law, then we have a problem with Scripture itself. The apostles were ordered by governing authorities to stop preaching, and they disobeyed. Their response was: ‘We must obey God rather than men’ (Acts 5:29). Moses broke Egyptian law. Rahab broke Jericho’s law by protecting refugees. Daniel broke Babylonian law. Early Christians broke Roman law simply by worshipping Jesus. God didn’t reject them

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Anonymous #18 5w

Obeying government matters, but Scripture is clear, God’s support is not based on never breaking a human law, but on whether actions reflect His justice, mercy, and righteousness.

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I’m familiar Acts is attributed to Luke, companion of Paul. And both Luke and Paul teach obedience to authority while also showing believers defying authority when it violates God’s command which is Acts 5:29

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The prison break you’re referring to actually makes my point stronger. The apostles were arrested by lawful authorities, jailed, released by God, and commanded to continue the very thing the authorities forbade. When the government said stop, they responded: ‘We must obey God rather than men’ acts 5:29 againObedience to God’s higher law has always guided believers when human law produces injustice.

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I didn’t leave anything out to distort the meaning. the context shows the apostles were confronted by the governing council, jailed, ordered to stop, and continued because obedience to God came first. The same Bible that teaches respect for authority also shows believers resisting when authority contradicts God’s command. That isn’t out of context

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If the passage means only “disobey a person teaching incorrectly” then Peter would not have been arrested, jailed, flogged, or ordered by the legal council. The narrative has no meaning unless the command comes from authority with power to punish

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The Bible doesn’t use the phrase “illegal immigration” but it repeatedly commands how believers treat foreigners With justice, love, and empathy. That’s not hiding behind verses. Im quoting them.

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“Nowhere did god ever say to riss up against your government” Exodus 1… hebrew midwives disobeyed phraoh. Daniel defied the kings order and prayed anyway Shadrach, meshach, abednego refused the kings command and were vindicated. In every case, believers opposed government when government opposed God’s command.

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The Bible doesn’t teach blanket obedience to governments it teaches obedience to God first, and believers disobeyed earthly authority whenever human law demanded sin.

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The point isn’t whether the word “rise up” appears it’s whether God approved, blessed, or commanded disobedience to governing authorities when those authorities demanded sin.

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God appointing rulers has never meant God endorses every rule they create. By that logic, Pharaohs laws, nebuchadnezzars laws, and romes persecution of Christians would all be ‘biblical.’ Scripture shows God appoints rulers and still commands His people to resist when laws violate His character especially concerning the vulnerable.

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Israel had borders and still commanded love, protection, and inclusion of foreigners. Borders were never given as a reason to ignore compassion.

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If ‘God likes borders’ is your entire theology, then the Good Samaritan violated your doctrine, Jesus’ family fleeing to Egypt violated your doctrine, and the early church welcoming foreigners violated your doctrine. At some point the Bible has to shape your politics, not your politics shape your Bible.

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You’ve repeated ‘obey the government’ three times like it’s the only verse you know. The Bible wasn’t written to defend your political party, and the moment your politics need scripture edited, the problem isn’t scripture.

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Denying them the right to due process is mistreatment, putting them in aligator alcatraz is mistreatment.

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Your argument boils down to: @Obey government unless I don’t like the government, then rebel.” That’s not biblical. Its partisan with a Bible verse super glued to the front. Its gross and disingenuous

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You just changed the subject from the Bible to Trump because you couldn’t defend your theology. If this was truly “about obeying government,” then Christians would support every law, every ruler, and every administration.

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If you really believe Romans 13 the way you’re pretending to, then the American Revolution was a sin, the Founding Fathers rebelled against God, and every patriot celebrating 1776 is celebrating disobedience to God’s “ordained authorities.” So either obedience to government applies all the time, or you’re admitting it only applies when your preferred party is in power.

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Goalposts didn’t move you just finally realized the verse you weaponized has consequences you don’t like. If Romans 13 means unquestioning obedience, then the American Revolution, the Founding Fathers, the Boston Tea Party, and every militia hat you own were rebellions against God. You can’t preach ‘obey government’ and celebrate 1776. Pick one.

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Anonymous #18 5w

It’s not just guns? It’s stabbing, sexual assault, strangling.

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Anonymous #18 5w

That’s like saying “if I drive without a license but don’t break the law, then it’s fine as long as I’m not hurting anyone.” No.

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