Anonymous #1 1w

Same with Christianity on paper but centuries of war between different factions over who’s more right, morality laws affecting politics and social action, and strong social pressure from churches for citizens to act a certain way or risk social harm/shunning would beg to differ. Islam is no different. What the Quran says and how people/those in power interpret it are very different things.

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Anonymous OP 1w

So then do not judge religions based on their followers. Judge people by their actions as it should be. If the don’t act in accordance with the religion, it is their downfall and not the religions

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Anonymous #1 1w

I agree with that in a general sense. The problem is ALL religious text can be interpreted in different ways by different people. People with horrible views can get those from their religion and so can people with great ones. And there’s no way to “prove” one is more right than the other because the text can be read in different ways.

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Anonymous #1 1w

But yeah I agree most religions have messages about love, tolerance, helping people in need, and treating others fairly in their core values for a reason. So what people do with their religion is a bigger issue than any specific religion.

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Anonymous OP 1w

In Christianity that may be the case, in Islam it is not. A true believer should take his knowledge from the prophet Muhammad ﷺ and the understanding of his companions. There are scholars with chains of narrations and students that can be dated right back to those times

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Anonymous OP 1w

it is forced tho 😭 why do westerners always forget about sharia law???

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Anonymous #1 1w

That is the case for Islam. I’m not talking about the religion or the text. I’m talking about how people have USED it. Regardless of what the text says people can and do use it for bad things, interpret the text to justify those bad things, or get those “bad” ideas from certain parts of the text. Like the Bible says to “love thy neighbor” but that doesn’t mean that people agree that love means the same thing or can’t show that love in bad ways. Islam is no different.

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Anonymous OP 1w

my bad lol, I was trying to reply to #1

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Anonymous OP 1w

But basically you’re saying what applies to any legislation ever. It is subjective and can be taken in many contexts. That applies to anything, wether it’s world events, politics, fiction, religion etc

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Anonymous #2 1w

Shari’ah law though is the same compulsory level as any law of the land. An illegal act has punishments, like murder and stealing etc. But the religion itself, I.e praying, fasting, wearing hijab, are acts of worship that need to be done by choice not forced

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Anonymous #1 1w

Yeah that’s the point. ANYTHING can be interpreted in good or bad ways, used to do good or bad things, and what one person thinks is good another can think is bad. Islam isn’t uniquely bad or uniquely good for that same reason. Too many people either want to condemn it like their religion isn’t prone to the same things or defend it by ignoring the darker parts of its history. Both sides are wrong for that. In reality it’s just as muddled as everything else humans have touched.

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Anonymous OP 1w

The thing you’re missing is that the Quran isn’t “touched” by man. That’s why it is uniquely perfect. It just needs to be followed correctly. I agree it isn’t at times and that is man’s fault, no doubt.

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Anonymous #1 1w

omg ur actually in a cult. “The Quran wasn’t touched by men” pls pls pls. your prophet thought it was okay to put his hand on a child.

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Anonymous #2 1w

If you genuinely wish to seek the answers then dm me. It’s not a short conversation talking about religion. But know you’re wrong in slandering Islam without knowledge.

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Anonymous #1 1w

im an ex muslim. there’s nothing you’re going to teach me that I haven’t learned from my Muslim parents, or my Muslim community, or the Muslim country I was born or raised in, or the Islamic schools I’ve been attending since I was 2 years old. You’re utterly brainwashed I can’t have a conversation with you. You genuinely think that other religions were man made but don’t believe the same to be true about Islam. The conversation ends there lol

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Anonymous #2 1w

The fact you learned from “parents, community, country” is the foundational error you fell into from the start! Many Muslims do this and think they can’t be taught or that they know best. Learn from the Quran and Sunnah from the understanding of the salaf. NOT your damn parents or community. The Quran is unchanged from day 1. Other books are self admitted to adding an removing sections

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Anonymous #1 1w

Everyone thinks their religious text is “pure” and hasn’t been touched/tainted by men including the Pagans, Jews, the Christians, the Mormons, and Hindus even while arguing over what it “really” means and saying the other religions/sects don’t have the “real” text. Doesn’t mean shit in practice 😂

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Anonymous OP 1w

Burn every single religious text in the world and you will only ever get one book unanimously agreed upon and rewritten word for word; the Quran. Facts.

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Anonymous #1 1w

Lmaooooooo and those other religions with their other religious text will say the same thing about the Quran. If that was the case there wouldn’t be so many other religions or so many sects within them fighting over what they mean. Think what you want about your religious text. But the dogmatic purity with which you’re approaching this is the same as those who are using your (and other) religions in harmful ways. But as long as you aren’t do what you will.

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Anonymous OP 1w

But what did you not understand? The Quran will be written again unaltered. Where as other religions have multiple texts and there would be disputes over what should be in or not. Interpretation of the text is another conversation, going back to human error, not the religion.

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Anonymous #1 1w

I don’t agree the Quran would be written again unaltered. Many religions make the same claims and you may think yours is special in that regard but they think theirs is too. That said, I’m getting side tracked. You have the right to have whatever views on the “purity” of your religious text you want. That wasn’t the original point of the post. It’s what people use their religion to do that was. And at least we both agree on that.

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